05.09.08 £20,000 free fuel causes chaos

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Would free fuel make you more likely to buy a computer game?


A clever marketing ploy by a computer games company has lead to queues and chaos as motorists attempt to get their hands on free fuel.

The Last Stop garage on Stapleton Hall Road, Finsbury Park, London, had seen over 150 customers keen to get their share of free fuel by 7.30am. Drivers have been queuing out of the station and up the street for their turn to fill up with up to £40 worth of petrol.

The giveaway is part of a promotion by Electronic Games for a new game, Mercenaries 2: World in Flames. Instead of putting a tab behind the bar at a flashy launch party the company has taken over the north London petrol station and pledged to give away £20,000 worth of fuel instead.

Although many drivers happily took advantage of the promotion, other motorists beeped their horns as they were caught up in the ensuing traffic, and residents in the area complained about traffic and noise.

Louise Marchant, from Electronic Arts, said the scenes of queuing mimicked aspects of the game. She explained: "It's set in Venezuela, you play a mercenary and fuel is used as a currency."

She denied the promotion was irresponsible, saying: "We've got security on hand to make sure that traffic is going one way. Petrol prices are very relevant at the moment so we are hoping to start everyone's weekend in a positive way."

Would free fuel encourage you to buy a computer game? Have you filled up for free at the Last Stop today? Or do you think it's an irresponsible gimmick? Let us know your thoughts by leaving a comment on the blog below.

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Posted by Steve The Poor Garage Owner, 5th September 2008 9:21pm



It's time to end our addiction to oil and here's how we can do it:

A Twelve-Step Plan to End Oil Addiction (courtesy of The Oil Drum)

1. Stop deluding ourselves. The era of cheap, readily-available oil has ended. Prices may fluctuate, but the underlying trend is up, up, up. We have to get used to using less.

2. Demand that politicians take the issue seriously. Make it an election issue. Don't take 'we've got everything under control' as an answer.

3. Stop building new roads. They're a monumental waste of money, time and effort. They encourage, rather than ease, congestion, and besides, the growth in car travel that's used to justify them isn't going to happen anyway.

4. Divert that money and effort into measures that address the challenges of oil depletion and climate change.

5. Make a major investment in public transport. It needs to be better, faster, more comfortable, more regular, and more predictable. It needs to cater for everyone, not just peak-hour commuters — though they need a better service as well.

6. Make a major investment in broadband internet to allow more people to work from home, and change tax and business practices that discourage working from home. The more car trips we can avoid, the better.

7. Electrify transport where possible. We should be electrifying commuter rail where it is not already electric and using light rail (trams) in the cities. On the other end of the scale, electric bikes and scooters can make a big difference in our cities. And electric cars show promise, though there's a lot of questions to be answered yet.

8. Don't use cars unless there's no alternative. Take the bus. Take the train. Switch to a scooter. Walk or cycle - both your wallet and your doctor will thank you.

9. Deal with other aspects of our oil dependence. Agriculture, for example, is highly dependent on oil. We're going to need to change the way we grow and distribute food. Let's get to work on that now, not wait until supermarket shelves start to empty.

10. Stockpile or manufacture vital products currently imported from overseas. When oil runs short, will that still be possible? Let's take stock now and work out what we may need to start stockpiling or making (again) in the UK.

11. Think local. Ending our oil addiction isn't just up to central government, though it can play its part. Communities can work together to make themselves more resilient. Join or start a Transition Towns group in your local area.

12. Accept reality. The age of cheap oil is over. It's not coming back. As individuals and as a nation, we have to adapt.

Posted by Peak Oil, 5th September 2008 9:32pm

Peak oil, change the record ffs. Maybe get yourself a life. If you want to preach, go learn to be a vicar. We all know what your thoughts are. This discussion has absolutely nothing to do with the alleged peak oil theory (I'm not (and i'm sure others also are not) even interested in arguing over that so don't even bother) - you and your pals have already turned other blogs on this site in to an off-topic argument so i would suggest you keep this to those, or better still go start a forum elsewhere where you can discuss the end of the world theories with like-minded people. Brendan/admin, if you are watching, time to stop this blog from going off topic AGAIN, and remove the above post (2), it's not even nearly relevant to this discussion.

Posted by Anon, 6th September 2008 7:58am

The skinflint public love free stuff - so the excessive traffic chaos created by Electronic Arts' free petrol stunt was entirely predictable.

EA, a respected games developer, should be embarrassed by this PR gaffe. It has done nothing to present the company to the wider public as being responsible and respectable. The still fledgling, fragmented games industry (which is now significant to the UK economy) needs to be careful about the image it projects of itself.

Anon is wide of the mark in his criticism of Peak Oil's comments today. Many Petrolprices.com users are very concerned at the price of fuel. They are reducing their mileage; perhaps cutting out commutes wherever possible - and eager for alternatives like practical plug in electric cars (and even the intermediate advanced hybrids that are coming very soon).

Thank God the Astra Volt goes into production (for the UK and rest of Europe) at Ellesmere Port in 2009. Only 34,000 a year will be produced, and they'll be expensive: but it's a start.

For the wealthy, the Tesla (plug in Lotus Elite) goes on sale around this Christmas in the UK.

New technology always gets cheaper over time, and of course the good electric cars will eventually flow onto the second hand market.

They cannot come soon enough. I, like many, do not intend to buy another piston engined car.

Posted by Dave Jameson, 6th September 2008 9:40am

I'm confused. How is an electric car better for the environment exactly? It takes oil or coal to produce the electricity in the first place and this is at a low efficiency rate, then as this is typical AC it is then converted to DC (battery) again at low efficiency. Instead we should be asked where is this hydrogen cell we have been promised??

Posted by Mmmmmmm, 8th September 2008 10:45am

No5. It is far easier to control the emmisions from a power station than it is to control the the emmisons from 1 million cars.

Hydrogen is not the panacea it is made out to be. Hydrogen is not a fuel, it's just a medium to store energy, have you ever seen a hydrogen mine?

It takes a lot of energy to make, store and distribute hydrogen, but it would be clean at the point of use like an electric car.

Posted by Marktime, 8th September 2008 8:45pm

Peak oil has spoke a few truth but is too idealistic for my liking. Yeah we hear you but you cannot change everybody's lifestyle overnight. Things take time, yes we are addicted to "dino-juice" nut cold turkey is not the answer. Have you noticed how cars now say how much CO2 they produce and the government have linked road fund licence to it. It's slow yes but progress is being made.

I commute every day to work, the road round here are busy as there's no bypass, so I use a small motorbike and I get to work a lot faster and easier than using the car. Am I doing my bit? I think so. I pass so many cars with one person in it.

SO how long will it be before someone comes up with a small nuclear powered car. Who ever does it will be a rich man. And if he or she read this and I inspired him or her, chuck me a few quid please!!

Posted by Oh Its Too Simple, 9th September 2008 7:17pm

Interesting, oil prices have gone done and now OPEC says they are going to reduce production in order to cover "losses". I think peak oil has been a very "convenient" tool to make excessive profits.

Posted by Boo To Peak Oil, 10th September 2008 10:45am

Seems funny how prices can go up overnight when the barrel price rises but they don't come down overnight when it reduces. Price at pumps on current barrel prices should be less than a £1.00

Posted by John Roberts, 10th September 2008 1:33pm

Re No 9... I was wondering the same thing myself. Has anyone kept a record of the correlation between oil prices and the price we pay on the forecourt? When the barrel price goes up, the forecourt prices seem to go up immediately, but when the barrel price goes down the petrol companies all seem to say that the lower prices "take time to work through the system". Another example of gross profiteering?

Posted by Shirley Moreman, 10th September 2008 3:31pm

Re No.9 - The price of a barrel of oil has dropped by 30% when priced in USD but only 18% if you factor in the exchange difference (the pound has weakened against the dollar by 12%). However the reduction at the pump has so far only been a measly 8% from it's early July peak.

We ARE being ripped off and even allowing for the weak pound the prices of a litre should actually be around 10p cheaper than it is right now. Why more people aren't screaming about this is a mystery to me!

Posted by Paul Heinze, 10th September 2008 3:59pm

RE No 9/10/11.
I can tell you now exactly what their excuse will be.
Oil is bought two months in advance and you are buying at the pumps what we paid for in July. So you're paying for oil at the July price. Live with it.

What should be happening is, taking into account that the forecourt prices shot up so that they could buy the expensive oil in July for sale now, the prices now *should* be lower now to reflect the buying price now of the oil we will be using in November.

But be prepared for my predicted excuse, because we all know it won't happen.

Posted by Polkyb, 10th September 2008 4:13pm

re 8,9,10,11,12

When a barrel of oil cost $147.5 the exchange rate was $1.99 to the £ This equated in a litre of petrol costing £114.23 to the retailer
Now a barrel is trading at $103.5 the exchange rate is only $1.7643 to the £ This equates to a litre of petrol costing £107.70
A reduction of 6.53pence per litre (Reflected in the pump prices reducing by 8 pence in the last 2 months)
If however the exchange rate had remained at $1.99 to the £ then fuel would have come down by another 6.3 pence.
So, if our £ was stronger, oil would be cheaper. So blame the economy/the government/the Americans but don't blame the Petrol Retailer, he may not be around too long. Then you'll have to go and buy "quality" petrol from a supermarket

Posted by Steve The Poor Garage Owner, 10th September 2008 4:24pm

Re: 12

You're almost there.

You're forgetting that oil is usually bought in a "futures" market, where they don't pay the *spot* price (what it is now) but the *expected* price.

So if the price in November is expected to be higher than it is now, the crude will be more expensive.

Don't also forget refinery costs; if there are shortages in refinery capacity (e.g. maintenance) then petrol will be more expensive. We buy petroleum at the pumps, not crude oil.

Posted by Bandidoz, 10th September 2008 8:10pm

RE 13

"This equated in a litre of petrol costing £114.23 "

No wonder you're a poor garage owner :-)

I know what you are saying, however, as we are an oil producer, surely the exchange rate would cancel itself out when we go from £ to $ in the first instance?

Posted by Polkyb, 11th September 2008 9:17am

Didn't the Government agree to reduce the taxation on fuel when the cost was high, so helping to reduce the price at the pumps, but it was agreed that "the other side of the coin" was that when the cost goes down then taxation goes back up. That is suppose to keep the cost at the pumps steady... So if the Government can do it then, why can't it do it all the time?? Reason must be GREED on their behalf.

Posted by Gancat Steve, 11th September 2008 2:37pm

This comment has been removed as it was found to be in breach of our Blog Policies.

re: 2, why is it that every blog we have has the same cut and paste from peak oil,. change the subject for goods sake.

Posted by Richard, 12th September 2008 3:43pm

Thing is when the pound was $1.99 we were paying increases daily as it was being compared to the cost of the barrel. Why is it that when the £ strengthen over the previous years and oil was fairly constant we did see a drop in prices?

Posted by Martin, 12th September 2008 4:37pm



Re: 17 - Just one more time for you Richard:


It's time to end our addiction to oil and here's how we can do it:

A Twelve-Step Plan to End Oil Addiction (courtesy of The Oil Drum)

1. Stop deluding ourselves. The era of cheap, readily-available oil has ended. Prices may fluctuate, but the underlying trend is up, up, up. We have to get used to using less.

2. Demand that politicians take the issue seriously. Make it an election issue. Don't take 'we've got everything under control' as an answer.

3. Stop building new roads. They're a monumental waste of money, time and effort. They encourage, rather than ease, congestion, and besides, the growth in car travel that's used to justify them isn't going to happen anyway.

4. Divert that money and effort into measures that address the challenges of oil depletion and climate change.

5. Make a major investment in public transport. It needs to be better, faster, more comfortable, more regular, and more predictable. It needs to cater for everyone, not just peak-hour commuters — though they need a better service as well.

6. Make a major investment in broadband internet to allow more people to work from home, and change tax and business practices that discourage working from home. The more car trips we can avoid, the better.

7. Electrify transport where possible. We should be electrifying commuter rail where it is not already electric and using light rail (trams) in the cities. On the other end of the scale, electric bikes and scooters can make a big difference in our cities. And electric cars show promise, though there's a lot of questions to be answered yet.

8. Don't use cars unless there's no alternative. Take the bus. Take the train. Switch to a scooter. Walk or cycle - both your wallet and your doctor will thank you.

9. Deal with other aspects of our oil dependence. Agriculture, for example, is highly dependent on oil. We're going to need to change the way we grow and distribute food. Let's get to work on that now, not wait until supermarket shelves start to empty.

10. Stockpile or manufacture vital products currently imported from overseas. When oil runs short, will that still be possible? Let's take stock now and work out what we may need to start stockpiling or making (again) in the UK.

11. Think local. Ending our oil addiction isn't just up to central government, though it can play its part. Communities can work together to make themselves more resilient. Join or start a Transition Towns group in your local area.

12. Accept reality. The age of cheap oil is over. It's not coming back. As individuals and as a nation, we have to adapt.

Posted by Peak Oil, 12th September 2008 9:52pm

This particular promotion does not interest me. A really significant issue, at the moment, is the petrol retaillers/companies failure to pass on the drop in oil price. The dollar has strengthd by 10% against Sterling but the dollar price has dropped by nearly 30% since the peak yet diesel has only dropped 10%. These companies are taking us for mugs. They should either be taxed on the windfall and the money earned subtracted from fuel duty or compelled to invest in more diesel refining measure. We should also get a return to the previous diesel fuel which was cheaper to produce and improved gave in sme cases 8 more miles to the gallon. Alternatively, if the government deems it necessary to have this new fuel, they should lower the tax on it to reflect its cleanliness and lower calorific value.

Posted by Eric Fitzgerald, 14th September 2008 7:44pm

Yas gotta hanit ta de guvurmen an dem dam oil fellas. Dey takin allllllllllllllll de muny from us an givin us alllllllllllllll nuttin in retern. Dey wun clevva bunch a onanists!

Posted by Yehmon, 14th September 2008 8:38pm

Can someone explain why prices at the pumps have not come down???
Oil is now $95.73 (15/09/08)

Posted by Pete Crowley, 15th September 2008 3:10pm

Re: 22

Because institutions are designed and run to extract as much money as is possible from your pocket, oil companies, Boots, WH Smith, Tesco, the dicks that inspired this blog - you name it, no difference. The shareholders come first, not you.
And then HMG get there fingers in the till too.

Such is life. Just follow the money.

Posted by Greg Brown, 15th September 2008 4:56pm

"Can someone explain why prices at the pumps have not come down???
Oil is now $95.73 (15/09/08) "

Actually, the Brent Crude price is the one you should be watching (not the WTI Crude) as it's the one which is used mostly for fuels (as it's lighter and so easier to distill) and that's just closed at £91.95 (15/09/08).

With the pound rallying against the dollar, we should be looking at sub £1.00 litre by now.

Posted by Polkyb, 15th September 2008 5:06pm

how does - £20,000 free fuel causes chaos, refer to your peak oil cut and paste, where did you copy that from, oh forgive me, you have it saved on your pc and use it on every blog we have on here, silly me for thinking anything different.

Posted by Richard, 15th September 2008 5:55pm

RE:24
"the pound's rallying against the dollar"
A few months ago it was $2.07 to the pound. Today it is $1.7988 to the pound a drop of 13%. If that's rallying then it equates to us being in a boom time at the moment. Before you start spouting off, get your facts straight. This is why petrol is not dropping as quickly as we want. The pound is not doing well against the dollar and all fuel is purchased in the dollar. So although crude has dropped by 30% you have only seen a drop of 10% because the pound is only worth 87% of what is was and Duty and VAT still makes up 60% of the price at the pump. This should also answer 22 and 23

Posted by Realist, 15th September 2008 11:49pm

Spot Brent Crude in NW/Europe closed at $88.59/Bbl (15/09/08) Exchange Rate 1.7935.
Wholesale Petrol 95r closed at 34.07p/litre. Wholesale Diesel closed at 42.57p/litre.

Wholesale Petrol has dropped 2.77p/litre since Friday. Diesel down 2.44p/litre since Friday.

Petrol 34.07p/litre + 50.35p/litre/Duty + 5p/litre(50/50split) + 2p/litre(Additives/Delivery + 16p/litre VAT = 107.90p/litre. Avg Retail Price.

However, this Fuel bought on this day, has yet to reach Petrol Station Tanks.

Diesel 42.57p/litre + 50.35p/litre/Duty + 5p/litre(50/50split) + 2p/litre(Additives/Delivery) + 17.49p/litre VAT = 117.90p/litre. Avg Retail Price.

This Fuel also, has not reached Petrol Station Tanks.

Each Station has its own "Throughput Formula" this may increase or reduce the retail price.

"Supermarkets" buy in huge volumes, and receive discounts plus 90 day credit terms. They also use "Creative Accounting Methods" to establish their prices.

To account for "Market" swings, Fuel is usually averaged over a number of days rather than one.

Posted by Learjet, 16th September 2008 4:18am

"A few months ago it was $2.07 to the pound. Today it is $1.7988 to the pound a drop of 13%. If that's rallying then it equates to us being in a boom time at the moment. Before you start spouting off, get your facts straight."

Spouting?

The pound is up this week from $1.75 to $1.79. It has increased without falling back. That in EVERY financial book is RALLYING.

How far it's going to go is another question though.

Posted by Polky, 16th September 2008 8:08am

RE:28

An increase of 2% after a tumble of 13% is hardly "rallying"

Nice to see Learjet back with his informed comments

Posted by Realist, 16th September 2008 9:51am

So, after taking 2+ months to lose 13% of it's value, the pound makes 2% back in 3 days and you don't think that's rallying.

I could call it a recovery being as it's low on the last 12 months, although over the last decade or so the medion has been around $1.85 = £1.

Posted by Polky, 16th September 2008 10:16am

Well I am tired of moaning. The fuel price at the pump will go down eventually and even more closer to the elections.

In the mean time who wants to join me for a sunday drive?

Posted by Boo To Peak Oil, 16th September 2008 11:05am

oild rops below 100 dollars a barrel and prices stya the same should be well donw by now profiting little greedy gets

Posted by Dazza, 16th September 2008 11:31am

Given today's prices fuel should now be around 94.9 for unleaded and 96.9 for diesel.

Even taking taken the dollar/pound into account we are being ripped off.

Posted by Gary, 16th September 2008 8:16pm


How come that as oil prices have dropped by approx 0ne third from 147 dollars a barrel to 97ish dollars a barrel the cost of fuel has not dropped correspondingly at the filling station

Posted by John Fletcher, 17th September 2008 8:09am

For the week ending 14/09/08 the average cost of a Barrel of Brent Crude on the Spot Market for NW Europe cost $96.93/Bbl. The average exchange rate was 1.7703.

This equates to 34.44p/litre for the base commodity.

It is then shipped, and refined into Petrol. This operation averages 6p/litre, for Petrol.

This makes the "Petrol" Product Price 40.44p/litre.

40.44p/litre + 50.35p/litre(Duty) + 2p/litre(Additives/Delivery) + 5p/litre(50/50split) + 17.11p/litre VAT = Avg Retail Price 114.90p/litre.

The average across the UK, at the moment is 2p/litre below this figure.

Why would people think they are being ripped off, when they are not?

Posted by Learjet, 17th September 2008 2:41pm

Obviously Learjet is an oil magnate if he/she thinks our petrol and diesel prices are cheaper than they should be.
Perhaps Learjet would like to subsidise my tax on fuel by the 2p per litre they think we are "saving".
No-one else in the world pays more than us stupid Brits who allow our PM and MP's to rule with an iron fist when fuel taxes are imposed.
Even the frogs pay less, as does the rest of Europe. Equality across the board, ha!!
Time to WAKE UP!!!!

Posted by Steve M, 17th September 2008 4:03pm

When will Gorgan get out his shoues and Walk the short distance Downing St to Parliament. Or even use an eco car not only for BUSINESS BUT FOR TAKING HIS FAMILY TO SOUTHWOLD ETC.
Free car No tax yet he understands the drivers plight . Pull the other one Gordan

Posted by David Brown, 17th September 2008 7:31pm

No, not an Oil Magnate, but some people can't add up either.

UK Petrol is not the most expensive in Europe, its 11th out of 25.

Posted by Learjet, 18th September 2008 5:43am

What is going on in the wolrd stock markets are hitting 3 year all time lows. Oil per barrel is under $95 and yet the price at the pump have only come down a fraction since oil hit $147 a barrel. Yet again rip off Britain and ripped off by the petrol suppliers. Can anyone enlighten me is to why we are still paying over £1.09 a litre?

Posted by Caroline Heming, 18th September 2008 8:55am

I agree with Caroline Heming, they're quick enough to put the price of fuel up with the cost of oil but it never comes down again! Think the EA stunt was really stupid plus it's only any good to people who live around that area, complete waste of time.

Posted by John R, 18th September 2008 12:38pm

I don't think Learjet is an oil magnate but he is definitely an enormous apologist for the greedy oil companies. I'm tired of him and others waving the exchange difference argument at us. The dollar has strengthened but by nowhere near as much as the 40% fall in oil prices. Does anyone recall a corresponding reduction when the dollar weakened badly earlier this year, ending up at $2.10?

The truth is, Mr Learjet and the Petrol Retail Association can always rustle up a plausible sounding explanation as to why prices can rise daily when the price is going up (and don't they just) but remain static for weeks when it falls away. In one week in July the prices at my local station changed 5 times!

The oil companies are making money hand over fist at the moment and this will be reflected in their financial results. When there is the inevitable outcry, they will issue statements telling us about the need to invest heavily in the business (the standard response from any Chairman upon reporting obscene profits!) before chucking about some huge bonuses and paying an enormous dividend, whilst having a good laugh at the plebs like me who have to actually worry about the price of petrol.

The only good thing to come out of the last few months is that it has demonstrated that people are NOT prepared to pay anything for fuel. As the price peaked demand fell away sharply and some commentators are now saying we may see levels fall back as far as $60 a barrel. Let's hope so.

Posted by Paul H, 18th September 2008 2:51pm

I noticed that in some places diesel have gone up! I paid 119.9 on 30/8/08
at Asda high Wycombe, today it is 120.9. I would have thought that price would fall over the next weeks, even if it was a slow process.

Posted by Gary.s, 18th September 2008 3:43pm

@39 -> "Can anyone enlighten me is to why we are still paying over £1.09 a litre? "

Yes. You don't buy Crude Oil at the petrol pumps. You buy petrol/diesel which are refined products.

Posted by Bandidoz, 19th September 2008 3:23am

Why do we always pay .09 at the pumps , there is no legal tender in this amount its just another way of adding 1 pence on a litre making it seem cheeper, when i left school decimelasation was just starting what a con everything goes up double now as 1 old penny is worth 2.4 new pence how we have been conned for the last 40 years

Posted by David Robinson, 19th September 2008 11:27am

"Can someone explain why prices at the pumps have not come down???
Oil is now $95.73 (15/09/08) "

Note, I am not defending or attacking oil producers, refiners, petrol station owners... but just to point out a few quick points:-)

Motorists have shown they are prepared to pay the higher prices, so who generally reduces their prices? i don't know anyone who willingly asks for less pay.

When prices were at their highest I still saw cars, vans and trucks sitting with their engines running not going anywhere so drivers still willing to waste fuel.

If OPEC reduced their output by say 50% then the price would MORE than double, so they would get more money for selling less for longer (until it runs out). So OPEC could do much more to increase the price.

In the US they have been having inquiries into speculators and with the credit crunch this has caused lots of speculators to have to pull out (unwind their positions). China also shut lots of factories over the Olympics and Paralympics so less demand.

Bush/Republicans know they have the greatest chance of a Republican (mccain) being elected if "gas" prices come down. Thus they have been doing everything they can to get prices down, KSA favours mccain over the democrats obama so has helped by pumping more. They an probably only do this for a few months.

Unless we have a world-wide depression the demand for oil will increase so pushing prices back up. In China and India a small percentage of the population owns cars but there is a great desire to own a car, they don't want bikes any longer. Chindia has 2.3 billion people, that's about five times as many as US, Europe and Japan combined.

It's fairly simple really, taking a graph the price will go from bottom left to top right with a lot of wiggles in between - sorry if that's a bit too technical:-) The question is, do you wait until you are priced out or try and do something about it beforehand or is it just too hard to think about so go back to looking at celebrities until you go over the cliff with the rest of the lemmings?

Best hopes for thinking longer term than the end of the month.

Posted by Tonyw, 19th September 2008 3:20pm

With no apoloigies, the "Price War" tag is the figment of someone's imagination.

The avg wholesale cost of Petrol for week ending 21/09/08 was 35.13p/litre.
This would give an Avg Retail Price of Petrol at 108p/litre.

The avg wholesale cost of Diesel for the same week was 43.41p/litre.
This would give an Avg Retail Price for Diesel at 118.p/litre.

"Supermarket Fuels" will be cheaper, due to the discounts they receive.

These are market prices, no matter who tells you "what a good deal you're getting.", but it may not last too long either.

Posted by Learjet, 20th September 2008 8:06am

Why have airlines not removed some of the fuel duty surcharge?

Why have cruiselines not removed some of the fuel duty surcharge?

I noticed that several garages around here have lowered prices by around 3p per lite - all except Tesco's!!!

Posted by Gary, 21st September 2008 8:35pm

This comment has been removed as it was found to be in breach of our Blog Policies.

Oil prices rally on demand hopes 107 a barrel now enjoy drop why it lasts as the idoits are bidding it up again

Posted by Dazza, 22nd September 2008 1:30pm

"Oil Prices Explode"

Crude oil has risen to $109 dollars a barrel, an increase of 15% but why have we not seen an increase at the pumps.
Another example of "Rip Off" britain
I blame the government and the supermarkets and the petrol stations and the oil magnates and little Jimmy down the road.
We should be paying 5 pence more at the pumps but, noooo!!! yet again the true price is not reflected at the pumps.
I'm off to Norway where Unleaded is £1.35 a litre

Posted by Realist, 23rd September 2008 8:40am

Presumably those who talk up pump prices on this site have a trade interest.

As this is a consumer site, nearly everyone else using it will retain a consumer focus. This is important as industry and investor interests have their own fora elsewhere.

Previously Petrolprices.com members have talked about forms of action.

The most practical form action right now would be to lobby for UK, US and other western governments to outlaw the practices that lead to extreme speculation on the oil price.

The same sort of spivs that went short on HBOS, Lehman, Merryl Lynch, Bear Stearns etc. (helping to put the world's financial systems, economies and ordinary peoples' livelihoods at risk) are today again active in oil speculation.

Petrolprices members should lobby Governments to outlaw this greedy and destructive form of corporate crime.

Posted by Dave Jameson, 23rd September 2008 11:32am

Could not agree more post 50

greedy little F.... basically trying to get as high as they can and we all suffer

post 49 you either trying to be funny fair enough but if not get a life trade you brain if you have one

Posted by Dazza, 23rd September 2008 1:18pm

YES YES YES!!!!!!!!
Diesel is below 1.20 ltr, what am I going to do with all the money I save?
I can almost afford a ticket to park my car in the city centre now, or save enough to get it back from from the pound when it's towed away while getting change.
The possibilities are endless.
Happy motoring.

Posted by Steve M, 24th September 2008 5:39pm

all the time the cost per barrel was dropping my local garage never changed the price per litre, as soon as the price increased the pump price has gone up. the garages are taking us for muggs. keeping the prices high maximising their profits whilst raw cost is low and then have the cheek to put the price up straight away. i understand that the cost should be for the cost of replacing the product so when the price was coming down why wasn't the pump price?

ripoff britian!!

Posted by Richard, 26th September 2008 4:23pm

This comment has been removed as it was found to be in breach of our Blog Policies.

An the price of oil falls further now less that $90 per barrel same as November 2007 but prices are still high - don't blame the fact that the £ is weaker against the $ as that didn't drop the price when it was strong

Posted by Martin, 7th October 2008 1:18pm

RE 54
Yes it did.
If the pound was as weak as it is now then fuel would have been 7 pence a litre dearer at its peak.

Posted by Realist, 7th October 2008 2:10pm

who gives a
monekys $$ss it should drop they put it up when it raises up so i dont buy that balls at all anything to make a fast £ or $

Posted by Dazza, 7th October 2008 9:33pm

The oil price is tumbling but this is to some degree offset by the falling pound against the dollar. Oil companies are quick to tell us how the oil price does not have an immediate effect on the pump price as there is stock in the system purchased at the higher value. This makes logical sense, however what hasn't been discussed is the fact that the oil companies hold significant amounts of currency as dollars in forward hedging and when the pound was $2.07 they would have extended their position heavily. So comapring the spot dollar price agianst the oil dollar value is not exactly fair as the supply will most certainly not purchased with dollars bought at 1.76.

The other factor to consider is margins, if the industry maintains the same margin as it did in Nov 2007 then the petrol price of £1.089 per litre is about right if the oil and currency are purchased at spot prices. Contrary to this the diesel marin has increased by some 11p per litre. This is an increase in industry margin from 12p per litre to 23p per litre. This is exclusive of VAT.

I would be interested if anyone could explain why this margin has extended to this level as far as I am aware the raw materials are the same and processing costs have not increased since November; at least not in any proportion over petrol processing.

Posted by Tim Mcewan, 11th October 2008 9:17am

re 57

Forget all the maths, science, all the 22's over 7's, exchange rates, economists, ecologists, any other 'ologists, ministers, rulers, Arabs, Americans, graphs, plots and plans.
The facts are so simple..
WE ARE BEING RIPPED OFF !!!!
lobby your MP's, refuse to buy dearer petrol/diesel, travel the extra 5 or 10 miles if its cheaper elsewhere.
Refuse to buy dearer fuel then between us WE can make a difference.

Posted by Steve M, 14th October 2008 5:38pm

asda and morrisons to drop petrol to 99.9p.

Posted by Richard, 15th October 2008 4:43pm

Can anyone explain why there is regional variations in fuel prices? My Asda & morisons are still above £1 a litre for unleaded.

What qualifies some areas to have cheaper fuel than others? Anyone??

Posted by Chris, 15th October 2008 5:14pm

I think this advertisment was a good way of helping lots of people save money with there fuel bills whilist times are tough, whilist advertising a new product. I think the company acted in a responsible way and helped people out. I would welcome the offer from more companies of free fuel, anyone stuck in the queue should have taken a different route and besides wasnt like they where doing it in the height of rush hour and they could have got free fuel too. As for electric cars what rubbish, they cost a fortune and the range is poor, this has no relation to free fuel.

Bring on more free fuel and price drops!

Posted by Ben Dingley, 23rd October 2008 5:17pm

Jesus christ everytime i come on here (which is rarely) bloody useless piece of horse manure over there called Peak Oil is always cutting and pasting the same piece of utter drivel into every single thread. Surely spamming is against the policy of this site?

What kind of freak needs to sit there and just cut and paste a speech all day?

Go and get a life you f***ing idiot. People are never going to take you seriously if you keep doing this. Stupid fool.

Posted by Mike S, 25th November 2008 3:41pm

No doubt my previous comment will get removed. And Peak Oil's spam in every single bloody thread will still be there. Fine. Another good site down the drain from spammers.

Posted by Mike S, 25th November 2008 3:43pm


1.would you buy a second hand car ,with a hydrogen cell ,???
2.would you buy a second hand electric car at twice the price of a petrol,???
3.what would a garage charge for a sevice
4.what garage would service
5 .Free petrol sounds good,not such a great marketing plan,NEVER heard a thing about it in scotland

Posted by Gary Mcintyre, 20th January 2009 8:26am
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