06.03.09 April fuel duty rise to bring fuel tax to 71%

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Fuel duty is set to rise again in April by roughly 2p, making make fuel tax around 71% - or 66p - of the cost of a litre of unleaded.

The rise was originally due to come into force in October 2008, but was postponed in July when pump prices were an eye-watering 119.9p and 134.9p per litre for unleaded and diesel respectively.

Fuel tax is made up of a fixed fuel duty plus the basic cost of fuel, with 15% VAT added on top. From April 1st, fuel duty will rise by 1.84p per litre and VAT will remain 15%, making the increase in total around 2p per litre.

However, because fuel prices are much lower than the peak prices of 2008, will anyone remember that fuel tax is set to rise? There has been very little coverage of it in the news despite it being less than a month away, meaning the tax hike might go through unnoticed. Once it's through there's almost no chance it will be reversed.

The rise in duty hits the UK's hauliers particularly badly, because they can claim their fuel VAT back, but not fuel duty. The Road Haulage Association say the rise will add around £1000 per year to the running cost of an articulated lorry at a time when the weak pound makes them less competitive than their European counterparts.

The extra 2p per litre will cost the average family £104 a year assuming that prices stay at 90p per litre.

The problem is, they almost certainly won't. Prices have crept up about 5% since the beginning of the year, and the further they rise the more motorists will pay in fuel duty because of the VAT element of fuel tax.

Do you think enough people know that fuel duty is set to rise again? Do you think 71% is a fair tax rate? Leave us a comment below.

EDIT: The changes to fuel duty will mean an average litre of unleaded currently costing 90.9 pence per litre will cost 93 pence per litre after the duty rise comes into effect. This will make the percentage of a litre of fuel costing 93 pence 71%, not 73% as previously stated.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again
We should have a fuel duty regulator whereby fuel duty automatically varies
with the volatile price of oil.
We would then have a more constant, consistent price of diesel/petrol and this would help keep the price of goods more stable.

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 6th March 2009 6:17pm

Hi,

96.5% of all carbon dioxide emissions are from natural sources, mankind is responsible for only 3.5%, with 0.6% coming from fuel to move vehicles, and about 1% from fuel to heat buildings. Yet vehicle fuel (petrol) is taxed at 300% while fuel to heat buildings is taxed at 5% even though buildings emit nearly twice as much carbon dioxide!

As much as Adrian's idea is a good one, the government know they are on to a win win situation.

Everybody uses fuel in one capacity or another so the highest ever tax rate is applied to maximise profit.

Sod the customer, sod the consumer, sod the voters, sod us all. Just pay up and shut up seems the order of the day.

As I have said before, in this country we allow ourselves to be treated in this fashion. In France they would be burning sheep in the roads by now.

A UK protest? Whatever.

Posted by Steve M, 6th March 2009 6:31pm

Steve M is correct that this government would not introduce a fuel duty regulator and I fully agree with everything in posting 2.
I feel given the current economic climate that the fuel duty rise should be at least postponed but as it is due to come into effect from the 1st of April and the "budget" has been delayed til 22nd of April (slight of hand)?the duty rise will definitely go ahead.
The European commission has announced that it is to "look into" the alleged apparent cartel that is keeping pump prices higher than should be, given the current cost of a barrel of oil.
Any bets on a "Whitewash"?

Incidentally we like to look after our sheep in Wales, lol.

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 6th March 2009 7:30pm

HI,

Gordon 'robbem' Brown and his un-assistant, Alistair 'misleading' Darling are the magicians with the slight of hand.

Promises to throw money at the elderly and disabled (not vote catching of course) only to retract and play down the claims later on, are designed to make us look in one direction whilst plucking from pockets with unseen hands in the other. Think Oliver.

The book is closed on bets Adrian, too one sided. All said in blog 3 is only too true.

There will be the usual posts soon claiming the strength of the pound is the cause of the price of fuel. Nothing to do with 73% tax then?

There would be mass demonstrations and riots in the streets if 73% were added to the price of Mars Bars. Or lamb chops. heh heh.


Posted by Steve M, 6th March 2009 9:35pm

I'm rich.
I have had an email from a man in Nigeria who works for the government who control the company who drill for oil. They need to deposit 500 Million Naira into my bank account and then remove it to another account leaving behind the equivalent of £2.65 M. as a goodwill gesture.
I'm rich.

Posted by C. A. Scamm., 6th March 2009 10:04pm

What can one say other than without a doubt the fuel duty rise will go ahead.
The costs of paying the rewards for failure and secret expenses claims must come from the "cash cow" that is the humble motorist and come the delayed budget it will be too late to reverse the increase in fuel duty. Quite typical,
as usual too late to change anything once it's been implemented e.g obscene
pension payments etc. I don't think we accept and follow things blindly like sheep, we behave more like lemmings.

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 6th March 2009 10:42pm

Well done 2, still got the rubbish calculator? When you get your tongue out of 1's backside chop it in and buy one that works. 300% tax on motor fuel and 5% on building fuel? Bonjour, earth to 2, where are you?
Please don't come over here to burn sheep - lovely as is your belief that we get everything for nothing - you'd never be able to pay the tax!
3 - what is the 'cartel'? Take a break with a nice cup of tea - that you understand?
4 - strength of the pound. When is this? The pound is weak - have you no access to news - no papers, no TV. Perhaps all you see are the buttocks of friend 1?

Thank you for your salutation - you explain much about the English

Posted by Franc Onions, 7th March 2009 2:05am

*7
It seems that one of the many manifestations of Greg Brown has put in an appearance again.
If you could get yourself out of your pit in the morning you'd have heard on
GMTV that the E.U commission is investigating British fuel prices after it was alleged that a cartel is keeping petrol/diesel prices artificially high.
To help you out cost of petrol leaving refinery approx 24 pence per litre 6 pence per litre delivery so thats 30 pence in all, cost at pumps 90 pence per
litre so what would be your estimate as to the percentage of gain.
As for the strength of the pound:
The Euro is also weakening; and could you explain why in a recent poll 85%
of German people and 75% of Dutch people wanted to revert to their old currency and abandon the Euro altogether, one size really doesn't fit all.

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 7th March 2009 9:37am

RE 7

Mr Onions. You? French? Nah!!!

Salut. Agréable de vous voir de nouveau. J'ai pensé que vous ignoriez ce blogue comme vous n'avez rien pour dire comme d'habitude.
Quelques choses ne changent jamais . Vous êtes une personne vraiment ennuyeuse.

"strength of the pound. When is this? The pound is weak "
The strength of the pound is today.
If tomorrow it is weaker then today it was stronger.
Or stronger tomorrow than today.

"Thank you for your salutation - you explain much about the English "
As your funny posting was aimed at both of us, you failed to understand Adrian is Welsh.
Earth to Mr Onions.

Votre haine évidente pour l'anglais servira seulement pour me faire plus de determind pour avoir mon pour dire juste de se lever votre nez.
Comprenez ?
J'en doute.

Posted by Steve M, 7th March 2009 12:57pm

Reply to No 7. Franc Onions.

PUMP PRICE 80.9
= vat @ 15% 10.55 Without VAT 70.34
Fuel Tax 50.35 Untaxed price 19.99
Total tax 60.9. % of which is tax 75%
Overall tax rate 302%

PUMP PRICE 99.9
= vat @ 15% = 13.03 Without VAT 86.86
Fuel Tax 50.35 Untaxed price 36.51
Total tax 63.38. % of which is tax 63%
Overall tax rate 173%

Posted by Tax On Tax, 7th March 2009 2:06pm

This comment has been removed as it was found to be in breach of our Blog Policies.

As correctly pointed out in *11 V.A.T. will rise in December this year but when it was reduced in December last year it was reported that when it increased again it would have to go up higher than 17.5% to maybe 18, 19% or more, so
we are currently "enjoying" (tongue in cheek moment) 15% V.A.T. rate so
fuel duty will rise in April, October (pre budget report) and the cost of fuel will rise AGAIN in December with the V.A.T increases.
So more a triple whammy.

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 7th March 2009 6:56pm

The rise of fuel duty will be 1.84 pence per litre almost 2 pence with VAT added.
I am speculating prices of fuel will rise by more than the stated amount with the weakness of Pound Sterling against the Dollar and the Euro combined with an increase in barrels of oil.
Be ready to dig deep.
This is an improved blog debate compared to using empty lorries to transport goods where I fear even their prices will continue to rise as they become more established and start to see the huge potential for mass profiteering.
Nothing in this world is free or even cheap.

Posted by Capri, 7th March 2009 7:41pm

Hi Capri, hope you are well.

Yes unfortunately as far as our fuel prices go, the only way is up but the anger that spills from us is the fact of the high fuel duty grab in this country. We are at a point where we are losing thousands of jobs daily and those people lucky
enough to still have jobs are expected to accept a pay freeze or even a pay cut to remain employed, so it's costing more just to stand still. At times such as these fuel duty should be frozen until recovery is well under way.
You've no doubt heard of the bogof offers well that's how
a great many unscrupulous employers view the labor market at the moment
to wit why employ a British worker when for the same money you can employ 2 foreign workers (Buy One Get One Free) and this situation can only get worse as we witnessed a taster just recently with the oil refinery workers striking because of foreign workers brought in.
Nothing in this world is free or even cheap, well...................
I was in a local builders merchants today and a customer in front of me asked
quite genuinely "how much is free delivery"? Could they see something that I couldn't?

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 7th March 2009 8:22pm

9 you found a translation website!
11 you found a menu! I worry about your sex obsession - backside licking - brown nosing - it's a metaphor for sycophancy no? For you it is a lifestyle - showers and virgins! Maybe you try and make a joke? - wrong place ici! Rien de sense of humor! The boys all serious with tax and impotence? Live a little - laugh a lot!
10 you have more bad maths.
8 GMTV is a program for ladies with small brains and big bottoms - keep calm 11? You will find my colleagues want to look at Austria and Portugal! We must keep jobs, there is work to do. In UK fuel is too cheap & prices should be higher!

Posted by Franc Onions, 7th March 2009 8:46pm

Thank you AJB I am quite well.
I return the question, how are you?
You know, the refinery strikes were I feel the tip of an underlying ice-berg.
People are genuinely going to be scared as they prepare for family life without the cash to sustain a lifestyle that so many enjoyed. Living outside their means is another way of putting it.
More and more strikes could happen or even worse, a blame pointed in the direction of immigrants. The fault is not theirs, or ours. It is the governing powers who are to blame. Not just this country but all leading bodies.
Greed and the misunderstood belief that oil was the saviour. All the eggs thrown in one basket. Although Peak Oil has been effectively placed into exile to spread his word to a new audience, his underlying message was correct. The effects of reliance to oil and its unreliable price fluctuations are being felt already. False economies, job losses, recession, price increases.
Some leading financial experts predict perhaps two or three years before any real improvement is seen. By then it will be too late for many.
I often ask young cashiers how much is the 99p packet of cashew nuts.
Just to see their face contort and contract is worth it.
Us old' uns get away with murder.

Posted by Capri, 7th March 2009 8:48pm

Hi,

Adrian, Capri,
Back in a bit.

Onions, or is it boring boris.

How can I find a site if I have no access to news or TV or anything?

I am quite fluent in French you personne stupide. Qui est plus que je peux dire pour vous.

Translation; Je suis tout a fait la liquide un Francais vous stupid person. Which is more than you will ever be.

Christ almighty, I am bored with you already. You entertainment quality is not what it was. Pop back if you can find anything remotely interesting.
You used to be a funny little past time but now you're just a past time.

15 you found an old French coin and some......onions. Very original. ??

Did you come off the asteroid that passed close to earth recently?
Or are you a real bonafide dimwit?

Posted by Steve M, 7th March 2009 9:15pm

15 you know how to google.

Posted by Onion Frank Beret, 7th March 2009 9:24pm

17 yes bonafide - now we converse in Latin! Abeunt studia in mores! You converse with a dimwit? Please raise your game. If you are so clever why do you waste yourself with these childish pastimes? This is all beneath you. The world waits for you to leave this behind and take us to nirvana!

Posted by Franc Onions, 7th March 2009 9:33pm

18 yes. Is this a surprise? Over here it is taught in schools. My skills are so-so. Do you have a sister - Raspberry?

Posted by Franc Onions, 7th March 2009 9:40pm

I will give this a miss.
I am far too long in the tooth to witness childish name calling and pranksters.
AJB I bid you a goodnight and will return when the adults come home.

Posted by Capri, 7th March 2009 10:03pm

Hey onions,

If you are French how come you have not spotted the deliberate spelling mistakes in my last blog?

And yes you are correct, I should not converse with a dimwit.

Posted by Steve M , 7th March 2009 10:07pm

RE 21 Capri,

Good point.

onions, you are on your own.

Posted by Steve M, 7th March 2009 10:09pm

Franc Onions
Any idea what this means:- Ydw i'n twp.
to which you should answer "ydw rydw i'n twp" if you were truthful.
Anyway
Capri thank you I'm well on the mend now.
I agree with you on the tip of the iceberg problem but I honestly think two
or three years is being a bit optimistic, we have dug ourselves into deep doo doo and we are still digging. Perhaps we should send for a crack team of French farmers to sort it out for us, we did enough for them in the last century.Still they keep sending us cheap labor though.Bless 'em.
I knew a French girl once, well she was half French, shaved under one arm.
Steve M. Hope too that you are well and that you are more mobile now. Remember though. Never argue with an idiot he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Franc Onions(I don't think he's French either)
falls into this category.

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 7th March 2009 10:22pm

Hi Adrian,

Glad to hear you are fixing up well.

I am walking a bit gingerly, still with a stick or two, but getting there. Thanks.

There could be racially motivated unrest aimed at immigrants as Capri points out. This is a Labour built problem with their lax views regarding immigration.

You rightly suggested it is possible to BOGOF cheap foreign labour.
The amount of young folk from colleges who come to the pub who are of overseas origins and try to barter their way into a job is incredible.

Some even offer to work for £2 per hour. Can you believe it?

A firm shove out the door is enough to convince them the answer is no.

You are right about....about.....whats his name again?.......oh yes, onions.

Drags people down to sewer levels.

"Je suis tout a fait la liquide un Francais " The deliberate mistakes were la liquide should be le liquide and un Francias should read en francias.

Catch you tomorrow.




Posted by Steve M, 7th March 2009 11:31pm

22, 23, 24, 25 the cabal cannot leave me alone? Why so worried? Unconfident with your own brains? No more Latin - harder to Google n'est ce pas? Sorry for you 25 but liquide is wet not fluent - probably a good summary for you no?. Keep your barbs for the immigrants - always the sign of a weak person and mind that they let another take away their jobs and liberty.
But I do like your style 25, all the ... as if you don't care. It almost works.....but....you...still....need....to....argue....with...a....dimwit, so at least you know your level. Why add deliberate mistakes to your real ones ....confusion tactics?
21 we will shed tears for your lack of input. I am sure you have more worthwhile listeners. Please confirm when you have saved us all.

Posted by Franc Onions, 7th March 2009 11:54pm

This comment has been removed as it was found to be in breach of our Blog Policies.

Reply to 26 Franc Onions. I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant.
I was going to actually allow myself to degenerate to a lower level of discussion with you. Thankfully my basic instincts kicked in and I have decided to give you just a few seconds of my time. I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter, although I like you. You remind me of when I was young and stupid. Now I am old, wise and unchallenged by your unique point of view. Your time is up.
Post 24 Adrian and 25 Steve M. Do you think three years is insufficient time to bring stability to economic problems?
Imagine how many building sites, private hire firms, hairdressers and countless other professions use cheap manual labour. It is an unfortunate sign of our times. Comments of "*sign of a weak person and mind that they let another take away their jobs and liberty.*" are poorly thought out.
Employing a cash in hand work force is not only illegal but keeps legitimate workers on the unemployment list and robs the government of millions in unpaid taxes. We then have to pay more taxes to keep unemployed workers with an income to survive. So comments similar to those in post 26 are thoughtless and pointless.

Posted by Capri, 8th March 2009 1:23pm

27 thank you wise and significant one. Did you know you were stupid when young? Who has told you you are wise now? I think you find the cash in hand workforce do the jobs your English friends with their debt and greed for material trinkets won't lower themselves to? Stop the unemployment benefit and let them work cash in hand too!
I am honored that you have let me have a few seconds of your time - but puzzled that you spend it on a dimwit such as I!

Posted by Franc Onions, 8th March 2009 2:33pm

Exxon Mobil Corporation plans to invest at record levels -- between $25 billion and $30 billion annually over the next five years -- to meet expected long-term growth in world energy demand.
"The global economy is currently experiencing a downturn, but at ExxonMobil we are focused on the long term," Rex Tillerson, chairman and chief executive officer, said at an annual briefing for investment analysts at the New York Stock Exchange.
Production started at eight major projects in 2008, which at their peak are expected to add the net equivalent of 260,000 barrels per day to the company's production. A further nine major projects are expected to commence production in 2009, and at their peak are expected to add the net equivalent of an additional 485,000 barrels per day to production. The company once again replaced more than 100 percent of production through proved reserves additions in 2008.
It was the 15th consecutive year that the company's proved reserves additions have more than replaced production. In addition, net exploration acreage has been increased by about 40 percent since 2003.
In the downstream, the company is progressing plans to invest more than $1 billion in lower-sulfur diesel projects at three refineries in the US and Europe.
Once complete in 2010, these projects will allow an increase in lower-sulfur diesel production of 140,000 barrels per day.
Published 06/03/2009.
------------------------------
Where is this peak oil?
All this investment in a fossil fuel that is about to cease in production is short sighted. Or are they not telling the whole story and oil demands will continue to be met for many more years to come.
More questions than answers.
What are your thoughts?

Posted by Capri, 8th March 2009 2:54pm

F.Onions @ 28.
Pourquoi sont vous le fait de commenter même un site visé aux gens britanniques.
Notre devoir du combustible n'a rien en commun avec vous autre que le fait d'avoir vos chauffeurs de camion livrant dans ce pays sur les emplois britanniques bon marc.

Posted by Gar Lic Ass., 8th March 2009 3:04pm

Ce wil imbecile lhave nous croit qu'il est francais quand infact il est un jour libere le patient d'un asile fou.
Peut-etre le français n'a pas un site si interessant comme le notre.
Si les Oignons etaient francais ils seraient tres heureux de voir le dos de lui.
Regle(Autorite) Britania.

Posted by In-seine , 8th March 2009 3:17pm

This imbecile that calls himself Franc Onions would have us believe that he is French when in fact he is a day patient of a lunatic asylum.
France does not have a site as interesting as ours.
If Onions was french they would be very happy to see the back of him.

Posted by Gar Lic Ass., 8th March 2009 3:34pm

You forgot Regle(Autorite) Britania.

Posted by In-seine, 8th March 2009 3:49pm

Apologies 33
I still think Franc Onions is a figment of his own imagination.

Posted by Gar Lic Ass., 8th March 2009 4:02pm

30 31 32 33 where is your famed English sense of humor? We make a little fun amongst the trials and tribulations! Maybe you think this is a serious forum - apologies, I must have missed it in translation? We enjoy the funny names and silly website translations! An interesting diversion up the garden path you might say? But perhaps you are right - not so interesting after all. En fait it is boring - or as you say "infact"! Perhaps the impotent crying is a relief? Au revoir. Keep up the French lessons!

Posted by Franc Onions, 8th March 2009 4:08pm

No; 35.
If his idea of humour is lower than a snakes arse and personal remarks cause him to giggle to himself then it must be bath time.
Ecole le matin.

Posted by In-seine, 8th March 2009 4:19pm

No; 36 is aimed at Franc Onion.
Sorry for any confusion.

Posted by In-seine, 8th March 2009 4:20pm

Hi all
Who's been giving french lessons then?
Franc Onions; very similar style of posting as ITA. with a bit of parsley view frogs legs thrown in.
Capri, you seem to have been holding the fort today; good egg.
Does anyone remember this from last year?
On 16 July 2008, just days after hauliers had demonstrated against rising fuel prices and following questions from Birmingham Northfield MP Richard Burden, Prime Minister Gordon Brown told Parliament: "In recognition of the problems that people face with petrol, we are freezing petrol duty for a full year."
Yet it was raised in December 2008 (6 months later) and will be raised again on April 1st this year (10 months later).Could someone jog my memory please, how many months are there in a year? is it 6 or is it 10?

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 8th March 2009 4:28pm

Ah. At last an adult to converse with.
I must admit I had totally forgotten Gordon Brown's rallying speech to the hauliers.
As we all know an untruth-er when we see one, it was obviously hard for him to recollect his earlier statements. There are as many yearly months as you are told to have.
At least Obama is on our side. With his gift of 25 greatest American films believed to include E.T, Star Wars and The Wizard of Oz this should keep the PM away from crucial matters for almost a month and allow this country to at least climb to its knees.
Or he will be found playing with his sons gifts of replica toy helicopters modelled on Marine One.
YeeHaa.

Posted by Capri, 8th March 2009 6:43pm

Hi Capri
A week is a very long time in politics perhaps this is where he got confused
I wonder if one of the films Obama gave him was "Billy Liar" (I think Tom Courtney? starred).
Who's this mad French man that's been contributing to the blogs?
I think he's trying too hard to be a French man, to really be a French man.

Yes that little snippet about freezing fuel duty for a year nearly got lost and Gordon Brown should be brought to task for it. Why haven't the Tories or Lib Dems reminded him of it? probably too busy counting their pension pots and expenses sheets.
Either way with barely 3 weeks to go fuel duty will rise on April 1st, quite apt really "all fools day" unless of course.......................well there's no unless it's going to rise without any doubt.

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 8th March 2009 7:36pm

A very warm welcome AJB.
There was also Liar Liar which starred Jim Carrey but in this one he could not tell a lie for 24 hours.
Perhaps one of Gordon Browns sons could make a similar birthday wish to the one in the film. Imagine his responses in PMs questions.
I thought April fools day was every day in politics.

Posted by Capri, 8th March 2009 8:37pm

38 39 40 41 why don't you listen to your politicians? Before the increase to offset your VAT reduction in December the last Duty increase you had was October 2007. The next planned increase is April 2009! Two postponements - April 2008 and October 2008. What part of a full year you cannot understand? Now who is lying? Perhaps the adult conversation is no better 39? You must pay better attention and not allow your weak emotions to cloud your minds education, education, education!

Posted by Mark Sausages, 9th March 2009 8:46am

42
On the 16 th July 2008 Gordon Brown said "we are freezing fuel duty for a full year" NOT we have or we will but that we ARE so the fuel duty should have been frozen til at least July this year.
Education, education, education is your grasp of English so poor that you have to use the word "better" twice just 4 words apart?
Perhaps you ought to pay better better better attention to what you read.
AJB Capri, we'll have to stop doing joined up writing because where as most of us understand it, it's obviously confusing a small minority.

Posted by Meat N 2 Veg., 9th March 2009 11:59am

43 perhaps you do not read your Hansard? "In recognition of the problems that people face with petrol, we are freezing petrol duty for the full year." Note that it is 'the' full year, not 'a' full year. That is what happened no?Education, education, education! Perhaps a little English Comprehension revision for you?
Apologies for my poor English! I must have missed the lesson when we were taught the rule about not using the same word four words apart? Many regrets that I have done it again!
I hope you and your friends are the minority, not I? I cannot see your joined up writing and you make many mistakes? Surely most English are better than this!

Posted by Mark Sausages, 9th March 2009 12:28pm

44
I can only say again "we ARE freezing fuel duty" are, meaning as of now not did
or will be but ARE, Perhaps you can enlighten me? every new year begins on the 1st January and ends on the 31st December so how can raising fuel duty under the guise of any excuse (lower vat? yeah whatever!) on the 1st December 2008 be a FULL year from July 16th 2008.
Joined up writing? perhaps you'll understand sign language:-
Middle finger either hand pointed in an upward direction. Work it out.
As AJB pointed out fuel duty will rise on April 1st and to hell with the economic crisis.

Posted by Meat N 2 Veg., 9th March 2009 1:37pm

45 why the picky arguments? As your friend pointed out the opposition have not raised the issue! Perhaps they are more intelligent than you and understand what was said? Your Duty was increased in October 2007. The April 2008 increase was postponed. The October 2008 increase was postponed. Can you not see that Duty didn't increase for more than a year? A year is a measurement in time - what about your birthday from one to the next, what about your tax year? You would have to be very silly to think he said Duty was being frozen for a year from July 16! Education, education, education - in time you will learn!
Ha! I like your sign language joke - perhaps not so effective in writing, joined up or not?

Posted by Mark Sausages, 9th March 2009 2:25pm

RE Mark S. Postings 46, 44, 42.
Politician, politician, politician.
However the words are dressed the outcome is the same.
More tax, more tax, more tax.

Posted by Capri, 9th March 2009 3:18pm

Mark Sausage. When the VAT was lowered in December 2008, what was risen to offset the difference?
Education, education, education.
Sharpen the pencil and the mind.

Posted by Egg 'n Chips, 9th March 2009 3:23pm

47 you are right - more tax. All Governments need it to sort out the current financial mess. Do you like paying it? Of course not! No need to say is there?
48 we continue our kindergarten (you have in England too?) ping-pong? Duty was increased in December 2008. The previous increase was in October 2007 - more than one year previously. Do you understand now? Sometimes it is more dignified to concede defeat? You interpreted the statement wrongly but continue to wriggle! Perhaps a career in politics would be good for you!
"what was risen": your grammar jars in my ears! Do you mean 'raised'? Perhaps your website could not translate this time! Sorry - I get you back for your finger joke!

Posted by Mark Sausages, 9th March 2009 3:56pm

49
IF you are as you pretend to be, from outside the U.K. why do you even bother to read let alone comment on issues than can have absolutely no baring
on your country's operations.I know these blog pages are open for all to read but I wouldn't feel inclined to comment on issues not relative to the U.K through these pages, for instance would you like to say to the American president to take away his citizens right to carry arms?of course you wouldn't
it's none of your business just as if you don't live here then you're ill equipped to tell us how we should or should not interpret our politician's often confusing words that seem deliberately composed to mislead us.
I think that you are resident in U.K but are attempting to have us believe otherwise. Care to substantiate my claim?

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 9th March 2009 4:24pm

50 sometimes resident, sometimes not! We are all in Europe though so I may help with the interpretation? Why am I ill-equipped, why is it none of my business? I am interested and this blog is free for all to post, it is not for members only! Are you a 'little Waleser'?
Sorry, but I do not understand your point about American's right to bear arms. I would argue against it, but I do not think that is your question?
I think you do yourself down if you say you are mislead so easily! Over-emotional perhaps, but so silly - I'm not sure!

Posted by Mark Sausages, 9th March 2009 4:40pm

51 Sausages
Of course it's not exclusive for members only.
If you were from France I wouldn't tell you how to control your fishermen, your farmers or dockworkers or any of your countrymen.
If you were from Italy I wouldn't tell you how to make pizza or spaghetti.
If you were from Holland I wouldn't tell you what wood to use to make your clogs. Each country has it's own culture an none want interference.
So if you are not from U.K why do you try to tell us what we should do or listen to. We are quite capable of seeing through the half truths we are told without any help from outsiders telling us different.
Please keep your comments coming but if you don't play the game, don't make the rules.
What is your main country of residence if that's not asking you too much.

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 9th March 2009 5:14pm

On 16 July 2008, Prime Minister Gordon Brown told Parliament: "In recognition of the problems that people face with petrol, we are freezing petrol duty for a full year."
He did not say "from Oct 2007 we are freezing fuel duty for one year"
If he did, he lied.
He did say in his July 2008 speech "we will freeze duty for one year" In English this means "for one year, we will freeze fuel duty"
He didn't. He lied.

Posted by Capri, 9th March 2009 7:17pm

52 what am I telling you or your friends to do or listen to? You made a mistake regarding something your Prime Minister said! Your friend tried and tried (sorry, same word within four again!) to argue that you were right. Why shouldn't you or I comment on a mistake made by someone in another country? Maybe your stereotypical view of foreigners says much! Are you a secret xenophobic? Of course I would not be so impolite to comment about warm beer, cricket and football hooligans! Or sheep?

Posted by Mark Sausages, 9th March 2009 7:23pm

53
Thank you Capri
This is what I've been trying to tell sausages but he's having none of it.

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 9th March 2009 7:23pm

Могло я комментировать что - нибудь о Великобритании.

Posted by Red Ken., 9th March 2009 7:30pm

53 still you get it wrong! He said "the" full year not "a" full year! He did not say "we will freeze duty for one year" - in English or any other language (and surely that was English that you translated into - English)!
You are good for amusing 53! I won't say you lied - just didn't understand!

Posted by Mark Sausages, 9th March 2009 7:36pm

I think we're pi$$ing in the wind now.

Can anyone explain 56? It's got me stumped.

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 9th March 2009 7:53pm

@2 - "96.5% of all carbon dioxide emissions are from natural sources, mankind is responsible for only 3.5%.........fuel to heat buildings is taxed at 5% even though buildings emit nearly twice as much carbon dioxide!"

You're forgetting that natural sources absorb as much as they emit; what's significant is the "man-made" emissions effectively accumulate. Imagine breathing in and out, but inhaling a little more each time than you exhale, it would soon become uncomfortable.

Buildings could and should be made far more energy efficient - totally with you on that one.

Posted by Bandidoz, 10th March 2009 3:15am

what a lot of juvenile rubbish is on this site this site was at one time serious now its just for idiots to write a load of rubbish

Posted by Nornix, 10th March 2009 8:30am

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@56

1052 41c M
1086 43e o
1075 433 r
1083 43B n
1086 O
1103 44F R (reversed)
1082 43A k
1086 O
1084 43C m
1084 m
1077 435 e
1085 43D H
1090 442 T
1080 438 N (reversed)

e.g. - fileformat info info unicode char 43D index
(why does this blog have to block URLs?)


No - doesn't make any sense to me either.

Posted by Bandidoz, 10th March 2009 11:55am

56 of course, why shouldn't you comment about the UK? Plenty of Russians live there - and buy football teams!

Posted by Mark Sausages, 10th March 2009 12:26pm

I will be as concise as possible.

Don't waste anything, be it Fuel, food, water, even life, as it's all limited.
Look after yourself and YOU may life longer.
Look after the planet and we ALL may live longer.

We need to work together to make a difference and that means all of us and there lies is the problem.
The Human race is fueled by greed and a me first attitude.

As soon as we all realize that we need to change our ways the sooner we can start saving ourselves but until then the outlook is pretty bleak.

In whatever we do, we should look to find the most efficient way of doing it and don't just opt for the quickest or cheapest, recycle where ever possible and if we can do this we will all reap the rewards.

You don't have to believe me but bare in mind what I'm saying when you hear the news or drive to work or even stand in a queue. Simply just watch other people's behavior and you will see exactly what I mean.
Sad but true.

Posted by Dave The Driver, 10th March 2009 1:47pm

Talking of re-cycling. I see it everyday in the hedges and grass verges, in the road gutters and on the footways.
Crisp packets beer cans cigarette stubs and chip shop paper. Fast food containers and dog poop.
In the suburbs a man in a bright yellow jacket and a large wheelie bin collects some of it in a token gesture on behalf of the local council. In the city centres a mass clean up continuously in progress 24 hours a day to win some award or other. False economics. Teach the population to use a bin or fine them heavily. It works in Scotland.
Remember to thoroughly wash all cans and plastic containers before you recycle or they will also end up at a land fill site.
As for the plastic pretenders posting as foreigners. What next?


Posted by Capri, 12th March 2009 10:09am

re 62.
how do you know what 56 is saying unless you posted it????
honestly, some people.

Posted by Egg 'n Chips, 12th March 2009 11:19am

56 Posting.
Looking back over previous blogs only Steve M ever posted this type of code?
So Red Ken & Mark Sausages could possibly be Steve M.

Posted by G.brown., 12th March 2009 1:52pm

Hi,

RE 66. G.brown,

Not guilty. I have not posted since 7 March.

The numbers thing in blog 56 happened to me in the past when I attempted to copy some English to Russian text.

This post (56) is nothing to do with me.

Adrian, I hope you are well.

Posted by Steve M, 12th March 2009 2:08pm

67 Hi Steve
Yes thanks I am well on the road to recovery and I hope that you too are on the mend.
Unfortunately the same can't be said of this blog, it seems to have gone the way of all the others and run out of steam with silly names and even sillier accusations like in 66 thrown at you yourself. I'm going to be an observer rather than a contributor and maybe a new blog with topical rather than
juvenile comments might be forthcoming when the fuel duty rises on April 1st and maybe another blog after the budget.(No problems with Capri though I feel that he is well worth the read. Good on you Capri).
I think you may have been quiet recently for the same reasons, yes or no?
Greg Brown in 66???

Posted by Adrian John Bell, 12th March 2009 7:36pm


Did you know that PO still exists even if you are wearing rose tinted spectacles.

Posted by Sonofpeakoil, 13th March 2009 9:20am

Hi,

RE 69.

I have worn 3D glasses, sunglasses, reading glasses, night vision glasses, bi-focal glasses, beer glasses, double glazed glasses and no glasses.

You are correct. The reports of peak oil are still there. Its choosing who to believe that causes a problem.

Was peak oil in the seventies, eighties or is it now?

Is it in 10 years, 50 years or really just hype?

Adrian, you are right. I have been a little quiet lately, and as you spotted I have been observing from a distance. And still get accused of posting as others. I will always admit when I have a bit of fun. I had to distance myself from the Boris,G.brown,Greg Brown,Mark Sausage,Franc Onions bloke.

As you said, get dragged down and beat with experience. Too tired for that $hit these days.

Is G.brown Greg Brown? without a doubt. And many others I think.

Catch you this evening, might 'pop in', have a beer or two, hope to see you later.

Posted by Steve M, 13th March 2009 10:43am

Paranoia is rife on this site.
Why not post as yourself with a user ID if you prefer. Pretending to be other people and accusations of multiple posts do nothing to the continuity of a blog. Although I am a newcomer to these pages I have found them an inspirational source where like minded individuals can come together and discuss alternatives. Of course not all postings totally agree and it is this which makes it such an entertaining place to visit.
Apart from the juvenile postings it is still a good place to air our views.

Posted by Capri, 13th March 2009 6:17pm

Have you wondered where all the surplus oil is going?
The rigs are still fetching the stuff up even if at a slower rate.
There is still more being produced than can be consumed.
The less arrogant OPEC countries are selling to any bidder to please their governments and prevent further financial instability.
The depletion of new oil fields is worse than predicted at 9.1% year over year.
The surplus oil is being purchased by cash flush China.
They are filing their strategic reserves with oil.
Why aren't we doing the same?


Posted by George King, 13th March 2009 9:24pm
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