Do you think all low emissions vehicles should pay less road tax?

Out of interest I wonder what would happen if most people or lets say 75% of people decided to protest against road tax and fuel by riding a bicycle to work like they do in China. I think in one week the governemnt and petrol companys will be eating out of our hands.

Any one fancy a go?

The Road Tax system is very unfair in many ways, I have just gone to buy some tax for a car I have just bought and because it's the end of the month I will lose one months road tax. It's like buying a jam donought and finding their is no jam in the middle. It's a con, Bast****

I own a 1989 camper van, I had it converted to LPG about 5 years ago, we now have to pay £215! road fund license because it's registered as a 2lt petrol. Not only that but LPG users are now paying more than half the price of petrol, how can this be given the difference in tax and duty?

Is just a way for the government to penalize more the poor and the middle class ! At the mean that the poor gets poorer and the rich gets richer !!

I have a car that has been converted to LPG , I spend money on it to help the environment, but no help from the Government !! as in fact I am punished to PAY AND PAY AND PAY MORE AND MORE !

keept up GOV !! until....

I own a Peugeot 406 executive which I have had converted to LPG, the system cost £1500 ( BRC system) , my road tax this year is £235 for 12 months tax the only reward I get from the government is a £10 reduction in my road tax which would have been £245. The emissions on my car are as low as cars in the band C paying just £35 a year, I think the present system penalizes drivers of older cars who have tried to go greener.

I drive a Mazda RX8

My insuranc is high (which I was aware it would be for the type of car it is.

BUT why am I paying in the highest Tax bracket for a car that gives off ZERO emisions???

I beleive that car tax was worked out by this.

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There is no insentive to convert older cars to gas to make the more enviomentally friendly and there should be. I have had my car 14 years and cannot afford to change it to a new green car, the ammount that I would have to spend to uprate will keep me in petrol for years so without any help why bother

ok i have to be honest here i drive a 4x4 yes its bad but its one of the cleaner versions
there is several reasons for the 4x4
1 i live out in the country an not in central london
2 my hobbies make use of the vehicle
3 with local flooding regular in this area (plus snow when we get it bad )

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4 the state of britains roads is progressing back to tracks specially in
the country

so i agree with most on tax being to high but also agree on the fact it should be used for the maintaince of the roads an not sent to spain via eu to build there roads
but i dont agree to having to pay higher tax o use my 4x4 on the road when it does low mileage about 9000 a yr when someone can buy a lower tax code vehicle an do 50,000 a yr which kicks out just as much if not more than my 4x4

I live & work in Saudi Arabia. Petrol is cheaper than water, approx £3 to fill a medium sized car. They drive huge engine cars like maniacs, on the speed limit everywhere. There is no public transport, the car is used for all journeys.

I suspect the same happens in many other countries.

So why should the Brit be completely clobbered with tax for using his car?

My wife is a Nurse in Bedford, 12 hour shifts, early/late start times. No alternative but to use the car. No only do we pay VED and (huge) tax on petrol, but she has to pay for a parking spot. If she were using the car by choice I might be a little more understanding.

This Country is taxing its citizens to death, that'll kill us long before the affects of global warming will.

I bought a Peugeot Bipper last year for social use not business and thinking green went for this vehicle as the emissions are around 119g/km. I now find that vans are measured on weight but have ended up paying more car tax than a heavier car on higher emissions. How fair is that?
What's the incentive to buy green and help the environment??

no i strongly dissagree road tax should be axed and paid out of fuel tax my car does approx 1000 to 2000 miles a year but still pay full road tax i know people who only pay the min road tax £30 but do over 20,000 miles a year can this be fair

All I want to know, is why do I have to pay so much tax on my vehicle when I only travel 8 miles per day. Thats it! May be once or twice per year I will travel a distance of approximately one hundred miles to the beach for a day out.
How much pollution does my car kick out compared to a lower emission car travelling hundreds of miles a week and paying far less tax?

Did any one notice that vat came down bye 2.5% and fuel dutie went up by 2% so what happens when the vat goes back up we pay twice.

No the newer cars should NOT pay less road tax! They put the same amount of rubber on the road as older vehicles do and cause the same wear and tear as the next vehicle.........The reduction of road tax was the governments way of trying to boost sales of new cars when the car industry was starting to have a hard time............So Much for that idea!....... Now look at the sales of new cars!........The government has just shot itself in the foot as its now losing about £140 on every vehicle that the stupid rules applies to. So basically Who's paying for the roads ( The older Vehicles ) that still pay the £180 road tax.............Well who voted these PRATS in!............Yeah!! you did!!...............And did they do what you wanted! .... NO..... WHY!!...... Because they are a bunch of liars .. the lot of them........... You mighty as well Buy an old Land Rover and add to the global warming, it's too late now anyway to save the planet so when the time comes just put your head between your ledg and Kiss your Back Side good bye!!

I am sick of hearing about "low emisson" cars and their tax rewards. My car is 12 months old and my tax has doubled and is set to double AGAIN next year. We rarely do more than 7,000 miles a year and I drive watching the on board computer to get an average of 35mpg we are paying the same tax in our £15K car that people owning a £150K car are paying. Where is the fairness in that? We can't afford to swap our car for a lower emission model as we will lose more money than we will pay out on the massively increased road tax. Which, as someone pointed out earlier, is a tax for ROAD repairs, not gas emissions!

German cars are always better in the amount of pollution that they put out so buy German car if u want a older car! all our cars are .03 something if u dont believe me check it out and try and prove me wrong!

surely another aspect to this debate is low annual mileage as a measure - whatever the emmission level, thos eof us who use cars (essentially) for 5000 miles a year pollute far less, yet still have to pay the full annual tax.

The whole system needs review but then like so much else it's factually about revenue raising not environment

Hi people i own a jeep 4x4 but it is lpg converted does that mean i still have to pay hige road tax or is there another way round it.

i think we should stand up to these people that sit in their nice offices smoking big fat cigars and they all drive big cars should take a long look at themselves and stop hitting our small pockets we have converted our gas guzzling cars has they call them and still they dont give us cheeper car tax we should be more like the french not stand for it and make some noise what is wrong with us are we going soft. why should they have a say in what cars we can have and carnt have what happend to freedom of speach we just keep saying nothing and they keep telling us what we should be doing with our money that we earn not them.????

how come my euro 3 2001 alfa romeo 156 tax band f 207g/km ,£210 for a years tax that has 3 cats and an array of sensors and cam adjustment and 8 spark plugs to keep emissions low is deemed to pollute more than my 30 year old cooper s that has twin su carbs high lift cam and good old points. if you look at the tail pipe it is allways sooty yet the alfa is spotless.. it seems to me that you are going to be better off driving an old car where the tax is done on engine size and not co2 (g/km) and where you can smell unburnt fuel when on choke.. well nice one government ..

The only thing that will discourage drivers from using their cars is the price of fuel. So lets reward the less poluting cars and penalise the gas guzzlers. Makes a start toward getting people out of cars and into alternative means of travel. We no longer can carry on with the Easter Islander mentality; somebody there must have realised that when the last tree had gone there would be no more fishing boats but they still chopped it down. All that to make stutues to worship there stone Gods, well the new god the motor car is doing the same for us. Think about it.

I beleive that all contributions to conservation should be rewarded. However, I have noted in these columns that some folks have taken to railing against misuse of road tax revenues.
I'd like to suggest that if road tax was made as a function of the fuel price at point of delivery, then no-one could avoid paying and those who use the most fuel (therefore use the roads most) would pay the most tax. It would also eliminate the need to employ people to catch the tax dodgers

I bought my dual fuel Citroen Xantia 3 years ago. LPG was 29.9 per litre. The cheapest now is 47.9. On average, LPG has gone up by 20% per annum. Petrol in the same period has gone up by on average 8% per annum. Both are well above inflation, but as you can see LPG is way above. Also bear in mind that the mileage for petrol is about 50% more than LPG so the real inflation cost is even more. So much for this governments green credentials. They simply don't care and I have come to despise them.

it is unfair that you have to pay full road tax because my lpg dual fuel van is just over 5 years old. What sort of government insentive is that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I drive a duel fuel astra thats over 5 years old and the tax difference is only £20 cheaper than a perol model? and why did Gordon Brown put up LPG by 2 pence after they had already agreed that the tax on gas would not be looked at until april 2009? Whats the point in ramming the "green, carbon footprint and global warming in our faces when people actually do try and reduce there emmisions and still get punished? the price of diesil should be put up, its a dirty fuel full of nastys where LPG is slighlty lower in co2 and quite a lot lower in nitrogen and lower on other pollutents. Its the same old story one rule for them and another for us. The most recent is fuel duty on flying, if you are overweight on a return leg from spain you get charged approx 5 euros per kilo, if you are underweight you dont get any refund? surely if you are under the 18 kg max weight limit the plane must use less fuel and therefore the airline is saving money and not passing back on the the consumer who has paid for 18kg. same old story "shaft the working class" they can afford it.

i have 1.8 zafira desing lpg car its from 2004 , millage 67000
i would like to salle it the price for that one is £10995
if any one wont to bye it
so plz call me 07790309676 or email me naweedazgharydost@hotmail.com
i can sent photos of the car if any one like to buy it
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If only ! But they'd probably just hike the prices to make up for the loss the following week...

I don't agree 4x4s for city use alone, but I don't see why those needing one (or any other larger vehicle) should be so outrageously charged for no good reason.

We're unable to consider a more fuel efficient or dual fuel car. My MPV is a necessity, not a luxury. My 4 children (driven around in ONE car) will be future tax payers for future pensioners, yet what thanks do we get? I also don't believe the figures given are fair as I drive carefully and very rarely (maybe 2-3 a year) around a city.

A Corsa is too small (!), and it is illegal to drive without seat belts. We used to have 4 in the back (of an old vauxhall banger!), but as the children got bigger we had to buy a larger car, and especially to be within the law. Some countries pay you for having more children knowing the value they hold for the future - not here in the UK though !

But then I believe the global warming theory is a scam. It is not proven. It's a bit like when smoking was said to be harmless ... and volcanoes give off more CO2 emissions than all of us put together can in our lifetimes!

Wouldn't it be brilliant if the Great British Public just said 'NO'.
Boycott the pumps. Stay off the roads.
Stop buying petrol, stay in bed for a week and watch the economy collapse. I'm sure the Chancellor would rapidly rethink his budget.

my vauxhall astra 1.6i 8v 2001 model is automatic and has been fitted with a broquet fuel catalyst to reduce emmissions. Do i qualify for a reduction in road fund licence.
Thank you.

just bought 4x4 10yrs old just going to have it converted to lpg to help the enviroment and understand that i will be on the same tax bracket i thought they wanted us drivers to help the enviromet doesnt make sense its wrong

I run a '98 Jeep Cherokee 4 Litre, converted to LPG. I pay 43p per litre. I live in Rural West Wales. Using 2-wheel drive, I get an AVERAGE of 15 MPG on Gas, 17 MPG on unleaded. Less when towing.
My MOT Test results show CO2 emissions of 0.00%, but I need to know the 'Grammes per Kilometre' figure to make any real judgment - Question: Why does the MOT Test results not show g/KM figure?

yes older cars fitted with lpg should get free road tax for doing our bit

LPG is a by-product of the refining process, it occurs whether you like it or not.
It used to be flared off, not any longer. It is the cleanest fuel for road transport use.

A converted car, must be no older than 5 yrs old, to achieve any kind of grant.

What is it with people using LPG, ok it might be better to use that petrol but it is still made from processing OIL. Oil is a fossal fual it produces Co2. So you didnt get a grant, your fuel half the price of unleaded, some people are never happy.

I agree with the comment that this lousy government are extremely reluctant to give up any taxation duty.I have converted my car to run on lpg at a cost of £2400 and yet no grant from this government and no incentive by reducing car tax.This governement im afraid is only interesting in green policies if it means they can tax us even more than we already are and unless we do something about it they will continue to steal or money because that is waht taxation is,it is legalised theft.You wouldnt be happy with someone breaking into your house and stealing your belongings,well its roughl;y what this lousy government does but they do it in the name of tax and dont for a minute think brown will be any different because he wont,in fact he is the worst chancellor we have ever had,highest tax,one of the most expensive countries in the world to live in and now the national debt stands at over £1.1 trillion,does that sound like a chancellor who is good at his job.

Why should motorists pay an enviroment tax throught the road tax. Thought this was to repair and maintain the road network.
Government would be better off investing in enviromentaly friendly fuels, such as bio-diesel, and not be swayed by the big oil giants and their fat profits made by over charging the already over taxed motorist.!
I drive a 3.0l 4X4 and don't use it a an every day form of transport, but if I have to pay higher taxes, I will use it more so the higher taxes are'nt wasted by it staying in the garage.

This can be easly removed with particulate filters in the exhaust system

i's strongly support reducing duty on lpg.
Diesel particulate (watch the medical press for details) is a dangerous substance, and the increase in dieseil use is worrying in urban areas.

"Ian are u suggesting that u r the idiot.That means people who drive 4x4s are idiots which includes FARMERS,GARAGE OWNERS WHO TOW CARS WITH 4X4S, THEE ROYAL FAMILY ,ETC,ETC.Come on now ian u r going too far."

This was ment as a funny quote I read the other day.

But you made a good point about the royal familly they are idiots and none set a good example, as for the others in your list, they are using the 4x4 for genuin work, not shopping and trying to look cool in the town centre.

"mr rep does 20000 in 6 months in a 2.5l diesel turbo. ok say 40mpg, but, and its a huge ferb britton round edged buttt!, hes doing loads more miles than me, ths kicking out more smog etc, so should therefore be taxed more than me. thats fair in my eyes."

He is taxed more than you, you idiot. He's paying for his fuel - which is taxed like nothing else on this planet. Four times the distance with only twice the MPG means he is paying twice as much fuel tax as you.

Mind you, as you drive a "scoob" I don't reckon you are able to comprehend that.

No - don't believe the manufacturer's MPG figures. They are always inaccurate.

At the moment I tend to get 10% better fuel economy.

And don't think that I drive like a half-dead old git either. I have 9 points on my licence for speeding.