23.08.06 Does petrol cost too much?

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We don’t like to get ripped off when buying fuel and that’s why we created the Petrol Prices website. But even with the help of our site, UK consumers are still spending more and more money on fuel because of rising oil prices and rising taxation.

Fuel is taxed twice – firstly by fuel duty and then by VAT. Fuel duty is a fixed amount (47.1p per litre for unleaded and diesel) and VAT is a percentage (17.5%). To make it easier to understand, look at our breakdown of the price of a litre of fuel.

The money that is raised by fuel taxation goes into the Chancellors pot and taxpayers money is spent on health, education, social services and so on. In the 2004–05 fiscal year, fuel duty alone generated approximately £23.5 billion and this does not include the VAT raised on the fuel sold. In the 2005-06 fiscal year only £21 billion will be spent by government on transport as a whole. So, fuel taxation not only pays for the upkeep of our roads but it also helps to pay for the other things that government spends our money on.

Does petrol cost too much?
Is it fair for the motorist to pay for these extra services as well as for the upkeep of our roads?

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I agree with (the oldie) David,I might add that I too am (an oldie) and that young people do NOT have the perception of prices,if we were still on price per gallon then am sure they would.When petrol goes up even 1p a litre young peole DONT think that is very much but if it were 5p a gallon then am sure they would be shouting out the odds!!!!

Posted by Jan, 24th August 2006 11:56am

Yes petrol is too expensive.

My local independent Filling Station owner is always telling how he can not BUY fuel from his supplier at the same price that Asda and Tesco SELL it for.

Can this be true?

If so, how?

Posted by A Griffin, 24th August 2006 11:58am

As a diesel owner I would like to know why diesel is more expensive than petrol as it is cheaper to produce, and lorry's that carry our goods to their destinations are passing this extra cost onto the consumers.
If the cost of diesel was to be reduced to the proporsional cost of producing petrol then the cost of comsumer goods would fall.

Posted by Leslie Thompson, 24th August 2006 12:02pm

Dear Sir/ Madam

We, the poor pensioners (I am also registered disabled) cannot afford the constant rise in petrol prices. Like you mentioned in your article that petrol is taxed twice. Why should this be so. It is not only petrol that is taxed twice. When the wholesaler buys from the manufacturer, he pays VAT for the goods. Then the wholesaler adds his VAT to the goods that he sells to the public. We pay taxes on our income all our lives. When we retire, we are taxed on our pensions again. The government is forcing the public to save more money for their retirement pension. This is quite obvious why? Because they can tax you even more for all the effort that you put into your saving for your retirement pension.

Yours faithfully

K. Mahadevan

Posted by Koteesvaran Mahadevan, 24th August 2006 12:02pm

i know that some of the money we pay for petrol goes on public roads, but after they put down the tar-mac it is bumpy and un-even, they never put it back even, so we pay out for our cars to be repaired from ware and tare from the badly replaced roads costing us more again, i thought the price of road tax paid for maintance of the roads, so were is all this money going, all we are doing is paying for the govt wages, i think we all should stand up to them and not put any petrol in our cars for 2 weeks we have put up with this for long enough now lets stand tall i,ll support any fuel strike,
keep up the good work lads.

Posted by Paul Walker, 24th August 2006 12:02pm

Driving along this morning I drive by one petrol station, diesel at 99.9 pence, I think petrol was about 96.9 pence, then about 20 miles on I go by another petrol station with diesel 95.9 pence and petrol 93.9 pence, and then to my astonishment at Asda about ten miles up the road I see diesel at 93.9 pence and petrol at 91.9 pence... That is the cheapest I have seen in about 6 months... and even though it means travelling about 25 orso miles to go fill up, I'll do that because it makes me sick to the stomach spending nearly a pound per litre for diesel! We're not made of money, just a shame we actually need our vehicles to be able to go about our daily business!

Posted by Em Kay, 24th August 2006 12:06pm

I am a business owner and have to use my car for business, so I always watch what I pay for my fuel. I have just returned from 2 weeks holiday in Donegal Republic of Ireland where Diesel costs around 112 - 114 Euros a litre roughly 78 - 80p, now during the whole 2 weeks with the war in Israel the terrorist arrests the price did not move once at any of the stations near to us and there was 5 or 6. This proves to me that the retailers in the UK react too quickly to negative news but are slow to put prices down when the oil price goes down. Also the fat Chancellor of the exchequer Fat Greedy Gordon Brown should take a leaf out of the Republic's Chancellor and reduce fuel duty as was done in the South of Ireland a few years ago to help boost their economy.

Posted by Nicholas Thompson, 24th August 2006 12:10pm

I look forward to the day when the fossil fuel runs out. Be quite something to see all those cars rusting away at the side of the road and nature reclaiming the roads and motorways. I for one won't miss sitting in huge traffic jams, wasting both time and fuel because our government is incompetent.

Let us hope that whatever renewable/bio fuel that is available is not squandered, but used sensibly for power/heat and essential seevices like hospitals/ambulance etc. In just over one hundred and fifty years we have managed to plunder and wreck this planet. Maybe we can survive, maybe not.

Perhaps small local shops will return, no distribution and logistics for out of town Supermarkets. People will have to work locally or cycle, with no fuel to sustain the commute.

Maybe a return to a simpler and slower pace of life, or maybe there is already an energy 'solution' currently suppressed to safeguard Government revenues and Oil Company profits.







Posted by Flying Pig, 24th August 2006 12:20pm

Before the price war that started last week I was paying 99.9p per ltr my wife had to put some fuel in my diesel Terrano on the motorway and she had to pay 106.9p per ltr how can they be allowed to charge 7p per ltr extra. The goverment has to do more to help companys stay competative and help families still be able to get about. Sorry I forgot, this goverment like easy ways of getting money out of us, Transport is any easy way to do this because we can not do with out it. Car Tax, Petrol tax, Insurance Tax need I go on.

Posted by Wayne Davenport, 24th August 2006 12:23pm

One detail missing from the breakdown in fuel cost is, the Tax that is also taken by the government from the oil companies.

If we are in the EU, why is it that despite the so-called "level playing field" we pay almost twice as much as any other country for our fuel? If it is possible to sell "red diesel" to farmers and boat owners, why not to everyone else? Just think of the impact it would have on the cost of anything that moved by road. Food, clothes etc would be so much cheaper to move around that god forbid, we as a nation could become competetive in the world market and actually produce goods instead of importing them or assembling them for others to take the profits!
The governments reason for high prices is, that we need to reduce pollution. The irony of this is we as nation contribute less than 2% to the worlds pollution levels. So even if we stopped using fuel altogether, the difference to the planet would be almost negligable. Instead of penalising us they should be putting more pressure on the likes of India, China and the US and introducing embargos on those countries to make them cut their emissions.

Posted by N Heavens, 24th August 2006 12:25pm

I am Self Employed in Leeds supplying a Handyman Service and am appalled at the spiralling cost of diesel over the past year -- traditionally diesel used to be cheaper than petrol and no comments have been made in the press about this rise I E diesel is now higher than petrol - the press only seem to comment on petrol going up again but in my eyes seem to ignore diesel .

WHAT most people seem to forget if diesel increases then living costs increase,because how do we receive most of our goods -- food etc and services - by vans and most vans / lorries etc rely on diesel to run.

So what happens ??? costs of goods etc rise because transport costs rise !!! NO EXTRA PROFIT to the supplier I must add just brake even on service supplied.

I understand that there are variations in price due to oil but it could send a small business under if the cost rises to high and the net result is job loss, as a member of the F S B - Federation of Small Business ( Please Note Iam NOT SPEAKING ON THERE BEHALF IN ANY WAY ONLY AS MYSELF) our organisation is aware of this and campaigns on this issue.

BUT Until the general public are aware of the major impact this price hike REALLY HAS, the attitude of OH OK !! petrol has ONLY gone up by x pence a ltr --- 4.5 ltr to the gallon so WHAT !! will not change -- I must point out until this attitude changes and it MUST change and change soon we need to keep a campaign going.

I as a small business over this past year have had to mostly swallow this hike and keep my service price reasonable but this is now a MAJOR JOKE.

A major campaign like this blogg and hounding the press & Gov with new worthy points ALL THE TIME is another way to WAKE THE U K PUBLIC UP !!! - as brits the stiff upper lip is starting to tremble a bit now and as we have seen in supermarket price rises, they (THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT IS) are only just beginning to realise the impact of fuel cost now !!!

Anyone out there that feels the same as me needs to band together or use all the contacts they have, and ask the Gov to reach a reasonable compromise, I E DUTY & TAX ON FUEL What's that all about ???

Why not One Flat Rate ?? which is easier to vary if things get bad , as if the price rises at the pump the Tax & Duty go up, past the projections made by the Gov ---- so more profits to the Gov over and above the projections made --- if the public ignore this -- we the U K will pull ourselves under with the apathy we have at this moment, INSTEAD of moving forward as we have been and improving our quality of life in the U K we need to ALL work together not pull in separate directions.

Posted by Richard- Ultimate Handyman Services, 24th August 2006 12:34pm

The Goverment make more and more money each time the price of oil rises,
so they could reduce the tax on fuel and still get in the same revenue,
of course this will never happen .
The motorist has always been a good source if income for the various governments , and whoever heard of a government that thought of Joe Public

Posted by Michael Jackson, 24th August 2006 12:36pm

Yes the price of petrol is far too expensive (mostly tax).

It really annoys me when all you hear about is the environmental damage caused by the use of cars/lorries etc etc on the roads. Hence the price of petrol and congestion charging or so they say.

What about our politicians leading by example:

No more travelling abroad by plane (biggest polluter) they can now talk to other governments by video links etc thus cutting out jolly boys outings.

Ditching their cars (especially adapted bombproofed weighing tons) and getting on their bikes or legs.

They obviously don't trust public transport.

What we really need to do is call a strike, use no cars or lorries for 3 days and see how much revenue Mr Brown would lose.

That is want it is all about, as the sone goes Money Money Money.



Posted by Sylvia Tottman, 24th August 2006 12:38pm

I think fuel tax(es)are particularly penal on Diesel, which is a much lower grade fuel and cheaper to produce than petrol. The reason for the extra tax is due to government grabbing and fear of losing out from diesel converts. The extra cost of a diesel engine is consequently hardely worth paying in spite of the higher mileage per gallon obtained. I run one of those gas guzzling diesel SUV's. It does a mere 40+ mpg and is only a little smaller than the BMW's and Mercedes driven by many of those who condemn SUV's. I regard myself as a responsible person, not in love with speed and my diesel SUV is a safe and appropriate tug for my caravan, which is probably also condemned by those who prefer to jet of to distant places for holidays. Come on, we are losing too much of our freedom to a greedy and seedy government already, don't let us rob each other of our choice of vehicle.

Posted by Trevor Lucas, 24th August 2006 12:38pm

I'd love to work close enough to home to be able to cycle. In fact when I was younger and worked about 7 miles away I would on occasion run to work (yep, and back). Now I'd older and work 22 miles from home I rely on my car to get me there. OK, there's always the train if necessary, but as it takes 1/2 hour longer and would cost the same (Tax, MOT, etc. inc.) if it was just me, but as I share most of the journey with my wife it's cheaper to use the car and more convenient.

So what about petrol prices - well of course they are over priced - the added tax is added by a bunch of crooks and incompetent buffoons! That's the government by the way. Tax on petrol is nothing to do with emissions, which is covered by the little round disc on you window, it is simply another way to get more money out of us. And why "incompetent buffoons", well just look at how useless, expensive and inadequate the public transport is.

I don't want to upset the haulage people, as they were key to the last fuel protests, however if all the long distance transportation went by rail the roads would probably be a lot better with less polution. You know - like before the government screwed up the railway network by closing the local lines that fed the major lines.

Talking of protests - If there is going to be another protest I really hope it goes all the way next time. I mean really cripple the country for a few week until the government listens and at least halves the tax. Last time it nearly got there but like typical Brits we give up when the win is in sight like near Baghdad 10 years ago (the first time), but that's another topic!

Posted by David Blake, 24th August 2006 1:11pm

You are doing an excellent work in showing people the route to cheaper petrol/diesel.
What we now need is an adversary to attack the greedy Chancellor that attacks the motorist with fuel duty and VAT !
Its fast approaching time for tactics. If everyone stopped buying petrol or diesel for five days, there would be a glut of fuel. They would have to do something to sell it or they would not have the required storage capacity. Yes, shock horror, I am suggesting that the motorist does what is colloquially known as going on "strike".
For example, I am going on strike for the next five days and I shall not be buying any petrol as a protest against the taxation and the overall price of petrol. ( it would not work if I did it on my own)
Who suffers? The petrol companies and the Exchequer.
so, comeon then, when will we all take part in this mass strike?
Let me know!

Posted by Bob Ellis, 24th August 2006 1:19pm

I have to travel 23 miles to and 23 miles from work each day.
I do not choose to work this far away, believe me, the extra hour in bed would be great. There is no work for me nearer to home so i cannot ride a bike or catch the bus, so for me, petrol prices are a real bug bear.
if people couldnt go to work because they could not afford the petrol, then what?
The politicians need to get it right!

Posted by A.cooke, 24th August 2006 1:21pm

I live in a rural area,and have to travel 31miles to work and 31 back.I work shifts,so i can't use public transport to travel.There are no buses or trains at the times i travel.If petrol prices keep rising they way they have over the last few years, then i would be financially better off not working.Gordon Brown needs to reduce the fuel tax.But we all know he won't,he doesn't give a damn about the ordinary people.

Posted by Mr Neil Rennie, 24th August 2006 1:38pm

This could be only local to my area but I nearly always find that the cheapest petrol and at least around the top 5 is at Asda. Using my Asda Credit card I can get a 2p per litre reduction. which as I think that fuel is expensive I tend to use the card to reduce it. No I do not work for Asda, nor any company associated with it!!

Posted by Paul Tipping, 24th August 2006 1:38pm

The cost of fuel is very expensive,even for my little Smart car.
Perhaps they should double the price of fuel when driving a 4x4 on the road and also the road tax should be doubled again on 4x4.Next thing to do is get rid of the government, I believe when they came to power they said that they would not put up taxes.Since they came to power the cost of motoring has gone up 10fold

Posted by B Passingham, 24th August 2006 1:39pm

Theft and robbery are against the law ... so why is it the UK Government are continually allowed to charge such high tax rates on fuel ... this in my humble opinion is no better than day light robbery. It's about time the UK had another petrol strike and demonstrated actively.

Posted by Farrukh Qayyum, 24th August 2006 1:40pm

the tax on petrol is to much and it seems that this is the easy way for the goverment to tax us with out us realy seeing what is happening

Posted by Julie Poole, 24th August 2006 1:42pm

In response to Mr Hazleton's comments (post 13). The notion that 4x4 vehicles are "just as economical as a lot of other vehicles about" is absurd. Extraneous four-wheel drive vehicles are universally less economical than their two-wheel drive counterparts on account of the extra mass of their drivetrains. 4WD means another propshaft and another differential - more kerb weight. Greater mass requires a greater expenditure of energy, and therefore greater fuel consumption.

Posted by Andrew Wren, 24th August 2006 1:49pm

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It is without doubt we live in a very greedy country, equally so a very greedy government, and no matter how many times we protest no-one gives a toss. There was a programme on tv last night, a guy in Montana USA extracting oil from coal at a fraction of the cost of crude. Why not open our coalmines and do the same?, not only will we be saving but putting people back in work.. What do you say Mr Phony Blair and the rest of the Robbers.

Posted by Keith Graham Nichols, 24th August 2006 2:01pm

Everyone knows that petrol in this country is far too expensive!! Only the rich can afford to run their 4x4's and executive cars etc without having to whinge about it. I only have a Nissan Almera 1.5 and my tank holds 60 litres. It used to cost me under £45 to fill it up(based on the price of 74.9p per litre only a couple of years ago. Now it costs me on average £57 to fill my tank up(0.95p per litre). I need to fill up my car twice a month so this means an extra £24 per month I'm having to pay on fuel. I don't notice any increases on my wages each month! Not only are we suffering on the roads, but food etc has now gone up because of increased transport costs etc so we are not just having to suffer once, but many times over. The only solution is to bring this country to a standstill but EVERYONE needs to get behind each other and make a stand. The government MUST reduce taxation/fuel duty and bring the price down a bit as businesses will crumble otherwise, and many families will struggle one way or another. How does the saying go again?.. UNITED we stand...D-I-V-I-D-E-D we fall!! Come on people... WAKE UP and support each other as ONE UNITED KINGDOM!!!

Posted by Alec Scott, 24th August 2006 2:03pm

Will anyone stop to consider the fact that personal transport is a privilege afforded by the prevalence of cheap oil. Yes - cheap oil. Oil is - as we all know - a finite resource. But as we may not all realise no other existing or even experimental fuel technology affords a comparable, or even practicable alternative. Despite the wealth of pedagogic and parochial views spouted on this forum the truth is fuel prices will continue to rise. And rise. The exponential development of the Chinese, Indian and other economies will strain the supply of this resource and as production struggles to match demand price-per-barrel will soar in the coming years. This is inevitable. Whilst you may not enjoy being Gordon Brown's cash cattle, educate yourself to understand the realities of the geopolitical landscape, and the near certainty that things will get worse. Finally, it is worth noting that the UK's historically high fuel taxation is motivated by a vital strategic need to reduce this nation's dependence on foreign oil (typically sourced from nations with little sympathy for the Western way of life). Comparing the popularity of advanced diesel-engined cars on UK roads to those of America (and other factors) I'd argue this policy has been effective. But please consider yourselves lucky to drive the cars you drive, from the dilapidated Rover 200s to the Range Rover Sports. Your children may well be less fortunate.

Posted by Andrew Wren, 24th August 2006 2:06pm

PEOPLE POWER
There is a simple way that people can force the local petrol stations to keep their prices down, by being selective where they buy. On an almost weekly basis there are letters in my local paper stating that the price in the local Tesco store is 3-4p per litre dearer at the Tesco store about 6 miles away. Because Tesco in our town have only the immediate competition from a Shell outlet they do not compete.

If these people that note the difference in the prices don't use their "people power" nothing will change. If they were to still do their shopping at the Tesco 6 miles away and get their petrol at the same time and boycott their local store, and urge friends and neighbours to do the same, as soon as Tesco notice what could be massive drop in sales of fuel, they would then be inclined to reduce their prices.

This "power" goes for every service that someone provides - go elsewhere, and let the local supplier know why, this will soon change attitudes along with prices.

Posted by John Gilbey, 24th August 2006 2:10pm

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As we are aware we live in a very greedy country,with an even greedier government. I watched a tv programme about a guy in Montana USA, who extracted oil from coal at a fraction of what a barrel of crude costs.. Why not adopt this idea in this country, not only making a saving but also putting people back into work. What do you say Mr Fony Blair and the rest of the Robbers?

Posted by Keith Graham Nichols, 24th August 2006 2:15pm

I own an RX-8 which is very thirsty to say the least, so im regularly in the petrol forecourts filling up. It infuriates me on how the government take advantage of the motorist, they know that most of us are unable to basically live without cars so they use this to squeeze every penny out of us. Knowing that we wont just leave our cars at home and we will carry on lining there pockets. Petrol has risen by 25p a litre in the last 4 years where i live, I just dread to think how much it will be in another 4 years!
Another thing that annoys me is that on top of the high petrol prices you are looking at £200 a year in road tax aswell, I wouldnt mind but the roads we drive on are all in a terrible state.

Posted by Darren Walker, 24th August 2006 2:26pm

To me a car is essential, I live on a farm in the middle of nowhere with no public transport links at all. Incomes on farms and similar have gone down in recent years , but the price of fuel has increased so much that if I wish to fill up locally the garage would charge me over £1 per litre for my diesel at the moment. The nearest supermarket is 20 miles away, it is not always convenient to travel to buy fuel therefore people like myself are penalised into having to pay high prices for an essential thing such as running a car. It's not always the adage if you can afford a car you can afford to run it, I only have a small car and it costs me so much to fill these days I always think before I make a journey to try and save fuel, but having 3 children to take to various clubs, school etc the amount that I use and the cost is going up all the time.

Posted by Elaine Isaac, 24th August 2006 2:26pm

The cost of fuel (i.e the rate we the consumer) pays can alos be seen as relative to our earnings. We are a rich country and there is certainly more disposable income (look around and see how many more cars there are on the roads), so maybe we should contribute more to the social costs of motoring. Having said that we all know that the taxes we pay when we purchase fuel do not directly go towards rewarding the motorist and in fact never even contribute to environmental schemes. If we the consumer got more in return e.g. free basic third party insurance cover (as is the case in South Africa) or other intrinsic benefits I would not consider the price of fuel to be over the top.

The reason I object so much to paying high prices is that I never get anything back in return and then on top of it all I also have to pay a road fund licencse fee every year not to mention the Insurance tax on my insurance premiums.

Posted by Warwick, 24th August 2006 2:38pm

It will add more to the price of petrol but I think that the cost of the road fund licence should be incorporated into the cost of petrol - then the people who use the roads most will Athough I do need it to get to work, as there is a very infrequent bus service town and I would have to change buses, and to the shops (and most of my family lives over 100 miles away.....)I would feel that the road fund dodgers would be 'caught' by the incorporation of this into the price of petrol. Maybe all of us would be forced to use more economical, smaller engined cars.

Posted by Heather Lidgey, 24th August 2006 2:38pm

As a disabled person reliant on a car i find the constant rise in diesel is making it prohibative for me to carry out what abled bodied individuals take for granted. I have noted the usual arguments relating to the price of fuel, such as damaging the environment! If these so called environmentalists actually cared that much for the environment then they would give up their cosy well lit, gas-electric heated homes and install the various eco-friendly equivalents as an example to the rest of us. We in the UK represent a minute amount of world carbon emissions, we are only a pimple on the butt of the USA, even though we are at present one of the worlds leading economies. We no longer have the heavy industry such as coal, steel and manufacturing to produce these world threatening levels of carbon dioxide. There is no doubt that government officials, especially the treasury are happy to heap "oil" onto the fire of the environmental argument as this enables ease for future tax increases whether directly or indirectly to be levied. The car at present is cleaner than past models and if incentives from governments were given to car manufacturers to encourage future models not to be reliant on oil. Finally, no-one has mentioned the population increase and subsequent increase in housing, however, road building networks have dimished and government actively encourage local government to increase traffic calming measures, new controlled traffic lights, concrete mounds of varying height on main arteries, static and mobile cameras to collect more revenue, altering existing street systems causing major congestion for months, all without sufficient public transport infrastructure to cope. There is no doubt that the motorist whether able bodied or disabled are seen as evil by an increasing number of short sighted people and politicians within society who are comfortable to bame them for ecological changes of undetermined origin whilst at the same time imposing draconian laws and levying disproportionate taxes to satisfy their ill-informed agenda.

Posted by Simon Hughes, 24th August 2006 2:39pm

Hello,
I work about 19 miles from where i live and travel to and fro nearly everyday . I work shifts and they are not regular . Also i dont get a travel allowance for my fuel , so to go to work costs me about £200 a month , this comes out of my wages . So yes , fuel is far to expensive for me . I welcome your thoughts on this .

Pete in Somerset

Posted by Pete Pearse, 24th August 2006 2:41pm

What annoys me is that I have to use my car for work but the fuel allowance I get is fixed and also includes wear and tear of my car. The government takes from us motorists but then paints us as the bad guys for using our cars.
I cannot use public transport for work. even if I could the transport system is so bad that I would not want to use it .

Posted by Maureen Miller, 24th August 2006 2:55pm

My comment is this, if tax is taken from fuel sales to pay for the upkeep of our roads, then why do we pay a Road Fund Licence to the DVLA each year as well? In France and other eu countries, there is a levy on the fuel only and no extra road tax, which I think is a much fairer distribution of the costs. You are only paying for the driving (miles) on the road.

By comparison to many other countries the UK, pays extortionate tax on fuel.
It is unfair and just another way of trying to keep numbers down on road usage. Hike up the prices and people will have to use public transport!

End of comment - Helen Harvey, Tidworth, Wilts.

Posted by Helen Frances, Harvey, 24th August 2006 2:57pm

My parents are now living in Spain, recently they drove over from Alacante to me here in St Andrews, via family in Hull and Lancashire, they could not believe the cost of fuel here in the UK and I whole heartedly agree with them, why do they pay 40 - 50 cents in Spain and we pay nearly a POUND over here. I know we are heavily taxed in this country but it still amazes me that we pay that much for fuel (which is a real necessity to many people) when our European counterparts don't! WHY WHY WHY

I just can not see the logic in the taxation level on fuel.

Posted by Stu Gray, 24th August 2006 3:01pm

i remeber a few years back an mp on tv was asked why diesel was cheaper than petrol ? his reply was that diesel was a lot cheaper to make than petrol can someone explain then why it is now the same price or actually dearer now.
is it because more people are bying diesel cars now because they are no longer noisy smelly things and you can get red diesel for half the price as there is no vat added to it so it just shows how much the goverment is screwing it's own public
get your act together mr blair is it not about time you gave the motorist a break

Posted by Graham Docherty, 24th August 2006 3:02pm

There have been several comments about combining Fuel Tax and Car Tax. This would, according to some, solve the problem of those who use most petrol, pay more for using the road. However, this doen't necessarily solve all the problems of those who choose not to tax their cars because they can't afford it, or because they want to get away with it. There should still be a registration system for this reason: Hampshire police have the ability to take a car away and crush it, if there is no insurance or car tax. Often the perp has no driving licence as well. In the past year, they have destroyed 1100 cars and there is no appeal. No insurance = no car. If you can't afford to run a car, don't do it and that includes petrol/diesel. All those moaning minnies who complain about the cost of fuel: live with it, it ain't going to get any better. Any consumer product has the law of supply and demand, and those that can afford things, buy them, be it champagne, caviar or cars. It's no use complaining about 4x4s, their owners can obviously afford to run them, but if you are on the lower end of the food chain, it's going to hurt more to service a cars thirst. So it's the old adage: 'It's the rich whats gets the pleasure, it's the poor what gets the blame'.

Posted by Clive H, 24th August 2006 3:03pm

The frustrating thing about the price of fuel in the UK has nothing to do with what it's spent on, it's the fact that we are paying more than any other country in Europe (let's not even talk about the US or Canada) most of whom spend more on health and education than us and if any mention is made about bringing in parity on taxes with the rest of the EU successive governments have thrown hissy fits. I can remember the last Tory government telling us that there was no need for anyone to be unemployed because we needed to be more mobile and to travel further to get work. I think the term used by messers Tebbit and Joseph were get on your bike and find work. So we did and look what happened, with a practically usless and ridiculously expensive public transport system and punative taxes on fuels and overpriced toll roads, tunnels and bridges, with no form of help or tax relief towards our travel costs, getting taxed left, right, front, rear and centre, we've basically ended up working for the tax man. The next logical step is to bring back tied cottages for workers, make any form of travel an elitist priviledge and it's shanks pony and back to forelock tugging for the rest of us, I don't think so. We're not that stupid........ are we????

Posted by John Molloy, 24th August 2006 3:04pm

They have us by the short & curlys!! We all moan at the price of fuel myself included but none of us will stop filling up & walk, and they no this.....
I am all for reducing fuel prices as i easily spend 100 pound or more on fuel each month and this is just getting from A to B god knows what i would spend if i had to travel far. We need our cars and thats the problem.... These money hungry MPs dont care as they get fuel paid for by us the tax payer.
So what really can we do....Another baracade which caused mass panic or maybe a letter to Tony Blair, Im sorry I just can see a solution......

Ever hopeful.............

Posted by Michelle Ransome, 24th August 2006 3:13pm

I cannot understand how we brits put up with the tax levied on fuel. It wasn't long ago (although I don't condone the methods used) we had protest all over the country when fuel prices started creeping up to 90p a litre. Now we seem to tolerate £1 plus for fuel per litre. How many times have you now driven past garages with their displayed prices blanked out because the garages don't have the extra space for another price digit?

I have just returned from an Asian Country where they have to tanker in fuel, have no offshore gas/oil reserves and are totally dependant on Imported Oil. Yet price of petrol at a shell garage (I took picture of the price although manager not pleased) was the equivalent to 32p litre.

Now I have devised my own protest which I believe will hit Gordon in his pocket, Ii use to road tax my car for 12 months, now I only pay the chancellor in advance 6 months road tax. If all motorists took the same action, the revenue reduction would I am sure make Gordon rethink is stealth taxes he's imposing on us motorists.

We all need to start voicing our objections; we as a Country pay on average the highest transport taxes. If 3rd World Countries can afford fuel at 32p litre, what are we doing wrong?

Posted by Lord Hanks, 24th August 2006 3:13pm

O f course we are being ripped off, the yanks drive bigger cars for longer distances and are paying less than half what we have to pay. Does this make sense when they are further from the worlds main oil supplies than the UK. My next question is Where is all the cheap oil we were supposed to be getting from Iraq? My cousins have both done multiple tours of that hell hole and Afghanistan, FOR WHAT??

Posted by James Hannaford, 24th August 2006 3:20pm

I drive a lorry and i filled up this morning at a truck stop and it cost me 79p per litre that's well over 13p less that i'd pay at a tesco's pump so how come they can give it to you at that price and other companies can't ????

Posted by Kriss Smooth, 24th August 2006 3:28pm

Theres tax on tobacco/beer wines and spirts and on fuel.When they want a bit more cash where do they get it? yep you guessed right.So we all spit and fume stamp our feet and throw our toys out of the pram,But what do we do in the end we PAY IT so just a vicious circle and the goverment know only full well this is what we will do.They are not stupid just us in the long run.....

Posted by Len Clack, 24th August 2006 3:28pm

Of course petrol is too expensive, like everything else in this country.
For this government to keep bleating on about the environment and the damage our vehicles are doing to it is just yet another excuse to tax us, and for Mr Gordon Brown to then waste the extra revenue, (hes raided everyhting else!) remember when fuel prices increase so does the cost of our goods so whether you drive or not you pay!

For all those environmental folk, the only way to really make a difference is to stop building vehicles and aircraft? stop driving and stop flying, it will never happen! get in the real world lets build better road systems with our tax money so we can actually use our cars and drive and park in some comfort.

The world is changing naturally it has to nothing to do with us, bring on the hot summers!

Posted by Paul Sheppard, 24th August 2006 3:31pm

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"and it's too far for me to bike every day too"


Work from home. You can then go out for a ride on your bike as your boss will have no idea what you're up to ;-)

The only way you will drive the price of petrol down is to stop using it. I regularly travel the 20 miles to work an back. I avera



Posted by Mike Waters, 24th August 2006 3:50pm

Whether we like it or not cars are here to stay and yes we are polluting the planet but we are now so used to this mode of transport that we are not easily going to give it up. Prices of fuel here though are far too expensive but the government has got us in a catch 22 situation. They know we want to use our cars, and that we won't stop using ours cars, therefore they have an easy way to make us pay tax.

The weather is against public transport - who wants to stand in the rain, hail and snow when they have a car at their front door.
Public transport is its own worst enemy due to prices, and lack of accessability especially for the elderly and disabled.

I think that one way to go is to be able to stop paying the car licence and put it on petrol. This way you pay as you go. What you save on car licencing would then go towards fuel and tax paid on the fuel should in part go to the upkeep of roads etc.

Posted by Sharon Rose, 24th August 2006 3:53pm

"My next question is Where is all the cheap oil we were supposed to be getting from Iraq?"

Ask the Americans.

Posted by Mike Waters, 24th August 2006 3:53pm

Yep, it's poo here, in other countries such as the US and Oz they have cars with big engines (when I went to Oz last year a 4-cylinder car was practically unheard of, everyone's got 6-cylinders or more) and ain't paying as much as us for petrol, yet we have relatively modest cars and pay sh*t loads, what's that all about??

-Ed

Posted by Ed Gain, 24th August 2006 3:55pm

I think the fuel prices are too high allready, i work for the NHS as an IT technician, and drive around site to site every single day. A perk of the job is that i get MOST of my petrol paid for by the NHS, but if petrol wasnt so expensive in the first place then the NHS wouldnt need to give us more tax payers money, or maybe wouldnt need to give us any tax payers money to cover the costs.

And i despise people driving 4x4 on the road, fair enough if u live on a farm, and u need it to jsut drive around your home, but you see all you ponsey 4x4 drivers polishing your 4x4 and making sure theres no specs of dust on your car, how sad and pathetic, and what a waste of money and such a pollution to the earth!

Posted by Roberts, 24th August 2006 3:56pm

Yes petrol is too expensive; the price does not reflect the global rarity of the substance as other countries pay much less and therefore someone is making far too much money from British drivers.

Posted by James Little, 24th August 2006 4:02pm

Why not abolish road tax ?- we pay enough tax on fuel anyway.We would then be taxed for how often we used the roads i.e. the amount of fuel we needed to buy to go where we wanted to go by road.

How about abolishing bridge tolls too - for those of us who can't use public transport as the service doesn't exist to get us where we need to go at the time we need to be there.

Posted by Davina, 24th August 2006 4:04pm

I think the website is excellent and have let several colleagues know about it. I consult it everytime I need petrol. However I was disappointed that yesterday that it didnt include the JET petrol station on the Gilnahirk Road, Belfast BT5 in its 5 cheapest station around BT5. I just happened to be in the area last night and discovered that their unleaded was 93.9 per litre which is 6p a litre cheaper than the station just around the corner from where I live,

regards marie

Posted by Marie, 24th August 2006 4:13pm

Work and shop from home.
It would be great to see Nanny state increase the legal age to drive to 25 and pedestrianise a half mile radius around all schools.
The government would be bankrupt if the only people using vehicles were couriers.
For once I'd like to be able to use my bike and be able to breathe properly.

If the demand for petrol drops the price will drop. That's the reality of the world we live in. It's supply and demand.
As a protest, PetrolPrices could try to arrange regular national "No driving" days.
It could persuade those of us who say that we cannot live without our cars,
that it really is possible to fucntion without a car.
I do not use my car regularly these days. I cycle all over the place and I feel better for it too. And the calorie content from a banana is sufficent to cycle 35 miles. That's a lot better than any hybrid.

Posted by Mike Waters, 24th August 2006 4:14pm

What we all need to do is go on strike until petrol prices are brought down. And I mean everyone no one goes to work no one goes to school, the entire country will grind to a halt. Sadly this will never happen people will just go on paying what ever price petrol is £1 a litre £2 a litre £3 a litre it does not matter.

Posted by David, 24th August 2006 4:16pm

I wish people like Jonathan would stop 4 x 4 bashing. I drive a diesel Toyota with an official 30 mpg and I know many others that are a few mpg less and others that are mid 30's. They are an easy target for the government to tax as most people are unaware of the mpg figures and back them up solely because of size (larger than a push bike), but that doesn't always mean they're gutzy.
Therefore lets get rid of the little cars - Mazda RX8 for example, 18mpg ! no point in going into Ferraris, Astin Martins and the such like as theres far too many to mention.

Posted by John Gorman, 24th August 2006 4:22pm

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I think you can safely say petrol costs too much when you cant afford to live because you are spending £400 a month on petrol and that doesnt leave you alot else left for food!

Posted by Anon, 24th August 2006 4:26pm

Yes, we pay far too much for petrol/diesel. I drive a 'gas guzzling' 4X4 but don't feel that i should have to justify it by saying that its because we tow a caravan & carry 6 people. my gas guzzler gets only a small amount of mpg less than my hubbys 'driven too fast on the motorway' smaller car. The comment about putting the petrol prices up as per gallon would certainly shock people & maybe the greedy government would have to reduce tax.

Posted by Jill Jackson, 24th August 2006 4:26pm

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im sick of people going on about there are to many cars on the road. so whats the answer then lets get all the cars of the road all the wagons, all the planes out of the sky. all the buses of the road. lets go back to the dark ages. rotten meat brought by horse and cart. no fresh veg. no fresh bread.no more tescos. no more holidays unless you go by boat. but you will have clean air to breath. but you will pay for it too. in super hi taxes. there will be know fuel duty comming in no fuel vat. the tax has got to come from somewere YOU!!!! LEAVE DRIVERS ALONE WITHOUT CARS AND WAGONS AND 4x4S ON THE ROAD THE COUNTRY WOULD GRIND TO A HALT.

Posted by Ron Jones, 24th August 2006 4:33pm

No it is not fair that motorists should pay so much tax. But, we all have to pay for the cost of Mr Blairs wars in the middle east. Somehow the government has to raise money so that it can kill and maim people in other countries. Lets face it there is always a lack of funds for education, health and god knows what but there is never a lack of funds for war. So how much of the motorists taxation goes towards killing children in Iraq? Think of the cost of the RAF bombing Bagdad and how many people that killed. It makes me sick that money I am forced to pay in tax is blood money used to take the lives of others.

Graham

Posted by Graham Cocking, 24th August 2006 4:36pm

If you live in a rural area, as I do, you have no option but to pay the price of fuel. My local bus service runs once a week, we have no shop, I'm not a good cyclist and my husband has been knocked off his bike twice on our narrow roads. Some European countries weight fuel prices so that rural dwellers with no choice in the matter of transport pay less, why not in Britain too ?

Posted by Bronwen Warner, 24th August 2006 4:46pm

I drive because I love to. Open motorways or the congestion of London, it's all the same to me. I have not used public transport for close on 20 years and would never entertain the thought. The car is freedom, your own personal space, comfortable and in my view a whole lot of fun.
Petrol prices are a complete rip-off, but then we have to contend with speed cameras, incescent road closures, congestion (even though we've paid £8), hords of buses including the bendy things, traffic lights that give only 10% green, parking charges and of course the 80% of drivers who aren't up to the job!

Posted by Richard Faulkner, 24th August 2006 4:47pm

If a large majority of the country stopped buying petrol & or diesel for 1 day in protest,the government & petrol company's would perhaps do something about the price of fuel.
Thank you for supplying the "Petrol Prices" on a Monday,which I find very useful.

Posted by John Shackleton, 24th August 2006 4:53pm

The price of fuel sucks. It's something I have to buy to earn a living. I dont do it through choice, I have no other way of getting to work, so I have to buy fuel & it's just too damn expensive. This is just 1 more reason why I am emmigrating to Australia.

Posted by Dean Hunt, 24th August 2006 5:07pm

My friend who is visiting from Oman Is really upset at the price (recent price rise) he has to pay over there... 75p a GALLON!!

Posted by Roy Bamford, 24th August 2006 5:12pm

The price of petrol is a bloody rip off!! Blair and his cronies should be strung up for what they've done to this country over the years that they've been in power.

It wouldn't happen in France. They would go on strike, blockade the ports and bring the country to its knees until something was done about it. We should do the same and not sit backand take it any more.

Posted by Phil, 24th August 2006 5:12pm

jonathon - I fear you may have bumped yer head when you decided to write that entry! Petrol has become an every day requirement for the majority of todays population and its criminal the way we are being forced, held to ransom, hell call it what you want, into paying these over inflated prices. Okay, i see your point regarding the pollution aspect, but is high taxation on the fuel really the answer?- I suggest looking to the root cause,i.e the car/engine manufacturers - hitting the muppets who produce large gas guzzlers with a new tax might make a difference.
Botom line is people require fuel - goverments have had it too easy when it comes to taxing the little people.
Lets see fuel reduced to a wallet soothing 70p'ish a litre...not unrealistic if the yanks can sell it at $3 a gallon!

Q..- Why is diesel more expensive than petrol, especially (as i believe), derv is produced first during the refinnery process?


Posted by Jdoc, 24th August 2006 5:14pm

We had to move over 50 miles away from our families during the 1980's when we were told to 'get on our bikes'. To get back to see our families would take a train and at least two buses. I drive a Ford Fiesta and yes, petrol is far too expensive. But it is just like everything else in this overtaxed country. Instead of 'getting on our bikes' in the 80's we should have emigrated!

Posted by Anne Radcliffe, 24th August 2006 5:25pm

I have read all the previous comments, agreed with some, doubted few others and totally disagreed with one. Good job we have freedom of speech or, do we still have? I strongly believe we pay too much for petrol. Unlike the 'elderly' 40 ish year old, I have lived a further decade. I ride a bike for 'fun' but only attempt a few country roads given so many drivers are rude and drive quite dangerously. I drive a car for work because I have to cover a wide area spanning 2 and a half counties. I am lucky as I get milage allowance but that hasn't increased in years and certainly does not reflect the petrol prices I pay. There is no public transport that I can use. Can anyone else remember filling up for the week and it cost just £1 or, is that too far back?

Posted by Diane Etchell, 24th August 2006 5:34pm
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