24.11.08 Fuel prices to rise as motorist hit with 2p duty increase

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Do you think the government should cut fuel tax instead of making motorists foot the bill for the credit crisis?


A permanent 2p duty increase in fuel tax has been introduced in the pre-budget report, which despite being presented as revenue neutral, will mean that fuel prices will rise over the next year and beyond.

The move to increase fuel duty by 2p has been introduced to offset the rate cut in VAT from 17.5% to 15%. However, although the VAT holiday will last 13 months, the 2p duty rise is permanent.

When VAT returns to 17.5% motorists will still be paying the higher rate fuel tax of 52.35p per litre and the higher rate VAT, making tax 74% of the total cost of a litre of fuel, and instantly boosting the cost of fuel by 2p a litre.

If the Chancellor had instead announced scrapping duty and VAT, a litre of petrol would cost just 25p.

The changes are designed to be neutral, but calculations by PetrolPrices.com show that there will be a slight increase at the pumps of 0.4p a litre, or 20p per average 50 litre tank of unleaded when the changes come into effect on December 1st. The fact that fuel prices will increase at all is contrary to the message from the Chancellor that the changes will be revenue neutral.

Motorists and businesses will effectively be bearing the brunt of the costs involved with implementing changes to help the UK as it heads into a recession.

Fuel is taxed twice – a fixed duty and percentage VAT. The changes mean that the fuel duty will be 52.35p per litre and VAT will be 15% from the 1st December.

Do you think the Chancellor did the right thing? Is it fair to make motorists foot the bill for the cost of reducing VAT? Should we have VAT on fuel at all?

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Posted by John Melrose, 29th November 2008 12:44pm

Once again, screw all the genuine people who earn over 20k and work for someone else.Tax us on our journey to and from work as we have no other way of getting there.There are no cash jobs,so all income is tax deductable. I only run a second car to get to and from work and then I share a lift every other day,so this only means one thing to me i.e. more tax and less to spend once again.How about reducing the child tax credits to all of the households where the second parent does not work and the kids are at school.My wife has to work, so why shouldn,t all of those receiving this benefit not have to.

Posted by Mike Johnson, 29th November 2008 12:44pm

I'd rather a tax increase on fuel, whcih is then mileage related, than a flat annual tax increase. However, I share the general view that the motorist taxation level is far too high.

Posted by Adrian Gough, 29th November 2008 12:46pm

Same old robbing Labour - they keep performing these sleights of hand and thinking the voters will forget. Some will of course. Where I live a car is essential, very limited bus service and no rail links and no I don't live in the middle of nowhere - I live in a respectable sized town and the last bus to a town 10 miles away is 3 pm. After 5pm the bus service reduces to 1 bus every 2 hours to the nearest 2 large cities. There should not be two taxes on one commodity - either one or the other. Unfortunately this country is going to the dogs - God help us all.

Posted by Anita Howard, 29th November 2008 1:06pm

I am strongly against the additional 2p on fuel duty. The current reduction in fuel prices will not last long and in the not too distant future prices will again to reach an all time high. The increase in fuel duty will once again hit the motorist hard and ultimately result in higher prices in the shops for food and other goods.

Posted by William M Woodfield, 29th November 2008 1:08pm

Simple solution, don't vote Labour. Tax should give something in return. Fuel duty gives nothing related. Atleast tax on alcohol and cigarettes goes to the NHS.

Posted by Andy, 29th November 2008 1:12pm

T his government has a lot to answer for , they are blaming everyone else for the state of the prices we have to pay for fuel, etc they should lower the tax and sort out all the money that is being spent on people who come into this country and can claim money, when my son died his children couldnt claim as they said they had,nt paid in money , so how do others get it ?????

Posted by Jeannette Elizabeth Bryan, 29th November 2008 1:32pm

Doesn't anyone in the Government own a car that they pay for themselves, or do they get it all on the taxpayer. Try living in the country - we get a bus every two hours and then it goes round all the local villages before it gets to town.

Posted by Dr E E M Thompson, 29th November 2008 1:40pm

this tax break isn't going to make any different at all. Jobs going and people still have less money to spend. Can't see it being a very merry Christmas this year for anyone... Petrol prices need to come down to help businesses out !!

Posted by Simon Shipp, 29th November 2008 2:19pm

This government don't care just a waste o' space

Posted by Anne, 29th November 2008 2:22pm

a few years back people were incouraged to buy diesel cars because the goverment said it was a clean fuel and they would get better miles to the gallon so people bought diesel cars. as the growth of diesel increased the goverment decided that diesel was not a clean fuel so increased the price of diesel .
Iam lead to believe that diesel cost less to produces than petrol does so why is the cost of diesel much higher than petrol, or are we being taken for fools my this labour goverment.

Posted by John Millrain, 29th November 2008 2:31pm

dont know what to say anymore, just give us a break, stop it just stop it, its at the point where there is no great in britain anymore, i work hard and for what, well lets put it this way, i now cycle to work 30 miles a day round trip so i can afford my mortgage, the government should be ashamed but there not, RIP old labour, and i know the old labour are turning in there graves.

Posted by Dave Doyle, 29th November 2008 2:42pm

Typical for this unelected PM of ours to give with one hand and take even more with the other.

Posted by John Pidgeon, 29th November 2008 2:47pm

Just another example of the sneaky behavior we have come to expect from Brownites!

Posted by Ag Plant, 29th November 2008 2:47pm

I think it is appalling - one tax goes down another tax goes up. As soon as I am able I am going to leave the country for somewhere like Australia.

Posted by David Atkinson, 29th November 2008 2:56pm

I just wish they would get it right at any time. If i need to go out I need my car as I am disabled so I have to pay any petrol hike they care to give out. When I was small if we had not got enough to buy what we needed, we would cut down on the little things that we did not really need until we had enough money. Why doesn't anyone do it now including the government then we would not be in sutch a mess.

Posted by Lesley Dadswell, 29th November 2008 3:00pm

Why don't we we all just scrap our vehicles as we can no longer afford to run them? Where is the government going to get its revenue from then?

Posted by Jay, 29th November 2008 3:16pm

yes yes yes fuel goes up again should we cheer for the enviroment of should we be applauding the goverment?
well the good old motorist pays for both yet we still go on these forums and complain, we my view is i buy a car i WILL use my car to go to work, shop, and jst out for a drive why should'nt i i pay for it vat here vat there tax here tax there road tax fuel tax road tolls parking meters so tell me again why do i pay tax oh wait is it for some big wig in london to tell me that i shouldnt drive my car that i paid through the nose for (would of been mch cheaper with no vat of course) that i am still paying through the nose for fuel road tax toll's parking meters then they tell me that i dont pay enough to drive MY OWN DAM CAR well i say SCREW them ill cdrive as much as i like and i will use cooking oil in my engine and i WONT pay any more GOD DAM TAX

Posted by Aidan Oreilly, 29th November 2008 3:22pm

I am a 77 Year old pensioner with 73 year old disabled wife if my wife had been under 65 she could have claimed mobility allowance which means a free car for life including ;servicing; road tax and insurance all out of the mobility allowance, it can be claimed from 3 years up to 65 years then stops with no help over 65 years .
So any increase in petrol prices is streching my budget which is very tight as i am on housing benefit, i dont pay income tax so any goverment tax so i dont get anything out of the budget but still get hit with more tax i believe this to be unfair.

Posted by Mr Leslie Flavell, 29th November 2008 3:38pm

yet again motorists are penalised and made to pay for other glossy cuts to make the government look good before an election, time after time decent hard working people are made to pay extra, were is the fairness in that? put the trains and U/g right and there may be an alternative with it subsidised otherwise stop borrowing billions and live as a country within our meagre means. thanks, jan

Posted by Janet Clennell, 29th November 2008 3:42pm

Quite a few years back I was encouraged to buy my property in the countryside, because of the lower cost compared to the cost of property in the cities.
Since those days I have seen the demise of the local shop, post office, selling car tax etc, a regular bus service, gone. The car has become my only form of transport, sell the house you say!
This goverment has had more luck by deception, petrol is yet another stealth tax, given to you with one hand, only to be taken by the other.

Posted by Trevor Bellward, 29th November 2008 4:18pm

If this government would seriously look at the transport situation and provide efficient, available public transport then none of us would care that much about the price of fuel.

However if, like me, you live in a village and have no chance of getting anywhere, least of all to work, by any method other than by car, then every price rise hurts.

I just don't know how much more the British can put up with. The government takes from us from every direction, and if I didn't have family here I would have left this country years ago.

Posted by Janineskyrme, 29th November 2008 4:22pm

Thanks for the free bus pass but there are many occasions that hospital appts. in the City can only be met by using the car. Pensioners struggle enough to pay bills and this petrol tax is just another expense we can do without - especially when the Chancellor expects everybody else to pass on to the consumer the VAT reduction!!

Posted by Pat Tichener, 29th November 2008 4:32pm

It's obvious that when they say about VAT going down to 15% that they will stick the other 2.5% onto something else so they don't lose out. But why does it always have to be the motorists that pay for it. I have a diesel car and haven't seen much of a drop in price as unleaded! The government is just all about making money our of people that needs cars for everyday life.

Posted by Sam Pearson, 29th November 2008 4:52pm

Seems to me that oil prices are now at their 2007 prices, so why are petrol prices not at the same level.

Mr Brown and the Panda would do well to ensure that oil companies are lowering prices rather then increasing fuel taxes................. but that would mean lower income for the goverment, wouldn't it!

Posted by John Gallen, 29th November 2008 4:58pm

made my mind up about this government long ago - and nothing's changed

Posted by Joe Harvey, 29th November 2008 5:02pm

I don't know what everyone is complaining about presumably you all chose to live in RIPOFF BRITIAN !!!! The Government as usual is looking after its own, whilst saying it's looking after the people, LOL. Why do they say to people we need to spend our way out of the recession, and push the retailers onto reducing their margins by effectively adding a surcharge to fuel so increasing transport costs at the same time. This is a double whammy where less VAT can be recovered by the haulier and extra duty becomes payable.
If anyone knows of a better place to live please let me know because I have had enough.

Posted by Alan Lloyd, 29th November 2008 5:07pm

I think that the history books will have Gordon Brown as a weak Chancellor and weaker Prime Minister. Just look at his grin now and his smile which gets bigger as the National debt rises.

It is so sad that the country cannot force an election and be shot of Old labour who have returned without an election, .....lets tax the middle classes (that includes car owners), lets increase National Insurance ( a tax on job creation) and lets spin spin spin.

What happened to the cash raided from our pensions?, how did Government get Regulation so wrong and allow the American Investment Banks sell us worthless subprime paper and bust our banks in the process. Our children and their children will be paying for this fiasco for years

Posted by Rupert R, 29th November 2008 5:13pm

I heartily agree with the sentiments in 48 above. There is no justification for the growing differential in the price of diesel compared to petrol as the production costs are much the same as far as I am aware. Diesel is invariably SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER IN OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES so why does the reverse apply in the UK. Is it because the tax applied to diesel is higher (a Government con) or is it charged at a higher price to the filling stations (an oil companies con) or maybe European governments are sensible and levy a lower rate of tax on diesel because it has a big impact on the distribution costs of goods. Whatever the reason, it is UNACCEPTABLE.
As far as the temporary VAT Reduction is concerned the Government said this was targeted at the lower income groups in particular. Would Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling and all the senior officials at the Treasury please attend a course in simple economics (the cost of which could be obtained many times over by disbanding a quango or two which are completely unproductive jobs for the boys). They would learn in Lesson 1 that the lower income groups spend a high proportion of their disposable income on food and energy. There is NO VAT ON FOOD and the 5% VAT on energy bills has remianed unchanged. What a load of idiots. What a crazy democracy when these guys behave like dictators and they were, believe it or not, elected by only 22% of the voting population!

Posted by Peter Watson, 29th November 2008 5:15pm

i live in a 1 horse town buses 1 an hour ditto trains i would gladly give up driving if this scottish run country would offer an alternative

Posted by Jeff Mccomish, 29th November 2008 5:18pm

What would this lot do without the motorist?

Posted by Peter Williams, 29th November 2008 5:26pm

Not surprized with Bottler Brown in charge, he will always hit the motorist when every he can.

Posted by Mike Pratt, 29th November 2008 5:31pm

Political spin doctoring: it's like 2+4/3=2 they look like they are doing something but actually it's just the same - or in this case they make out they are giving (temporary VAT cut) but actually they are taking (permenant fuel duty increas etc) - makes you sick & how much do they get paid for this?

Posted by Rvr, 29th November 2008 5:31pm

This is hard for motorists, of which I am one, but the latest information on climate change suggests that we must reduce our dependence on fossil fules very much faster than was thought even a year ago.
Government is right to impose taxes in this way. Its failure is that it does not dedicate these extra taxes to researching, as a matter of the greatest priority, greener ways to travel. These should not be a general tax into the exchequer, but focused very clearly on decarbonising travel.

Posted by Andrew, 29th November 2008 5:46pm

Although I understand a lot of the comments about not using cars etc, however many people work out of town and I could not afford the astonomical prices charged by bus companies

Posted by Mark Walker, 29th November 2008 5:55pm

Once again this pathetic government hits the easy target ( motorists ). We already pay more for our fuel than most other countries in the world, but stupid Brown still wants to bleed us even dryer. If the government really wanted to save the world they should stop people using fossil fuels completely, not just charge more for the priveledge. Dont the idiots realise that when they get their wish and we all stop using our cars there wont be billions of pounds filling the coffers from motorists. As we already know every motorist needs to buy fuel, so having one day bans on fuel buying as we did in the past didnt threaten anybody, but how about having a permanent ban on buying fuel from one major fuel supplier. Say Esso or BP or Shell. People could still buy as much fuel as they need, but it would hit that supplier really hard and hopefully they would put pressure on the government to resolve the problem . Food for thought. P.S Where does the nut in 4 think that electricity comes from for all these electric vehicles he proposes!.

Posted by Robert King, 29th November 2008 6:02pm

If the goverment had watched its own spending like all the business in the uk have to do to keep going then they could have cut taxes a long time ago.The new budget has done nothing to help small businesses or unemployment and this 2p added to a litre is typical of the labour goverment.I bet when they put vat up to 20% they wont take it back off....if they get in again that is....

Posted by Rick Kerry, 29th November 2008 6:12pm

I do not think that tax should be increased, I also think that a discount incentive should be given to people who convert their car to LPG. Even though a relatives car has been converted, their road tax has still risen to £400 per year. I was under the impression that the road tax was increased dependent on the cars emissions at manufacture, an LPG car has improved emmission! Where is the benefit?

Posted by Rachel Hutton, 29th November 2008 6:22pm



If you haven't heard the term 'Peak Oil'; brace yourself as you'll be hearing it a lot more in the years to come. It's been a whispered term for many years, much like "global warming" was back in the 60's.

In 1956, geophysicist Dr. M. King Hubbert predicted that oil production in the USA would reach its peak around 1970 and then go into a state of decline. He also predicted that global oil production would peak around the late 90's/early 21st century. He plotted the increase, peak and decrease of oil production on a graph; and his theory is popularly known as Hubbert's Peak.

Dr Hubbert also flagged with the world the issue not only of declining oil production, but the increasing cost associated in extracting what oil remained after the "low hanging fruit" had been picked.

There is no doubt that the cost of oil production in recent times has been huge - not only in the exploration and production itself in financial terms; but also in terms of environmental damage caused. Added to that has been the huge military expense and associated human suffering caused through wars that have been pushed on the public by their governments as being issues of national safety rather than their true motivation - control of oil reserves. The war in Iraq is a classic example of that.

Dr Hubbert was ridiculed by many when he released his research; but his predictions appear to have come true. USA oil production did indeed go into rapid decline around 1971.

Fact: we are consuming more oil globally and the trend will continue

Fact: it is not a renewable resource in relation to our consumption levels

Fact: countries go to war over control of oil reserves

Fact: oil consumption has a negative impact on the environment

Fact: gas at the pump continues to, generally speaking, increase in price

Fact: many plastics and other trappings of the modern world are made from oil

Fact: the world is running out of easily sourced oil; i.e. production using current technology has peaked, and what oil is left will cost more to pull out of the ground using methods most likely to be even more unfriendly to the environment.

Paints a rather grim picture for our oil addicted society doesn't it? If we're willing to invade a country for oil, how much more aggressive will we be when supply really gets tight?

How does food get to your table? Do you grow it in your yard, or is it trucked in to your supermarket? How do you collect it; do you walk to the supermarket or drive? How do you get to work?

How many affordable alternative energy vehicles are now on the market?

When the Iraq war and other geo-political issues pushed the price of oil to record levels; people stopped buying SUV's. Within a couple of weeks of a drop in prices; they went back to buying them again. It just goes to show how little we learn. We had a taste of what really expensive petrol was like, yet as soon as the pressure was backed off a little; we went straight back to our previous oil-greedy ways.

We won't learn, oil will have to run out or become so horribly expensive that only few can use it to any degree. What will it cost? How much will it impact on the cost of other items? How many more people will have to die and how much more will our environment suffer while we squeeze out the last viable drop of oil that the planet has to offer?

These are important issues to think about - don't rely on governments to provide the answers to a world without oil as they've all been in denial for way too long. Yes, there are renewable/alternative energy programs in place; but given the major role that oil plays in our lives; permeating just about every aspect; whether these new, cleaner technologies can be rolled out before we hit the real crunch is another question.

The time is now to start thinking about and making changes to the way you live so your life is not so oil-centered. Remember that a lack of oil extends far beyond just not being able to drive your car - so many other products, services and industries are based on oil.

Start preparing for a life of austerity. NOW!

Find local employment. Reduce your debts. Reduce your fuel consumption. Grow your own vegetables or buy from local suppliers. Exercise regularly. Insulate your home. Help your family, friends and colleagues to understand the implications of Peak Oil.

Posted by Peak Oil, 29th November 2008 6:27pm

I suppose you have to balance the books some how, but why must it be the motorist all the time. We pay Road Tax, Government Tax on the Petrol-Diesel, and VAT on that Petrol-Diesel and if you should buy a new car Tax on that as well, so that Motorists pay Three lost of Tax on an ongoing basis. and most of the Cars time is to get to our jobs to keep the GDP going.
I think they need to look at skinning the cat another way

Posted by Peter Southam, 29th November 2008 6:37pm

I am pleased that the government has taken the steps they have. Many people in this country don't seem to appreciate how lucky we are. How else do you think the government pays for Schools and Hospitals?

Posted by Cj Brennan, 29th November 2008 7:15pm

Once again the Government don't really do anything to help, how can they think that cutting VAT will help, it will not help the elderly keep warm etc. The motorists are not the only people to be hit, the Brewing industry is suffering every day at the hands of our incompetent leaders (I use the word leaders loosely) as yet again duty on alcohol goes up. I would also pull everyones attention to the fact the when VAT goes back up again it goes up to 18.5%, this has been kept very quiet indeed.

Posted by Luke Lucas, 29th November 2008 7:33pm

So because no one is buying down the highstreet because of the credit crunch they will be dropping VAT but increasing Petrol at the pump, well that still leaves me with no money to buy flash TV's down the 'Highstreet'

Posted by Ashley Swift, 29th November 2008 7:37pm

As a trucker and a owner car driver who depends on transport to make a living and get from A to B in my car its about time this so called careing labour goverment was given the clear message from ordanary hard pressed car owning familes get stuffed BROWN your days in goverment are numbered why are the Hauliers and Joe Blog car driver always the easy target when the goverment want to raise taxes enough is enough .Trouble is are the Tories going to be any better ???

Posted by Dave Welch, 29th November 2008 7:39pm

Every Labour Party that has been in power since 1946 has ruined the of this Country. It is up to ALL voters to make sure they never get into power again.

Posted by Donald Budd, 29th November 2008 8:05pm

IN AN IDEAL WORLD we would not have a government that robs Peter and then robs Paul and then robs just about everyone.

In all honesty, if I was a director for a company (oil) that could hold the world to ransom then I would attempt to get the most while the going was good.
You would hold out for the highest bid all day long, as long as demand was there.

As for the government, they were elected to serve the people. They are failing.

It would have surely been a happier house if they had lowered fuel duty by 2p and left the VAT alone.

Imagine.....
Everybody is happy at the money they will save, hauliers are happy, shopkeepers are happy, the feel good factor is there. Everybody rushes out and spends (especially my wife), the economy takes a turn upwards, G Brown and buddies are hero's.

As I said at the start, in AN IDEAL WORLD...

Posted by Steve M, 29th November 2008 8:07pm

Why is the cost of diesel in Cyprus so cheap yet so expensive in the UK???

Posted by Alan White, 29th November 2008 8:22pm

what a shock!! same old labour give with one hand take with the other!!

Posted by Craig Inch, 29th November 2008 8:25pm

The government are trying to kick start the economy then then give the motorists another kick with an increase in fuel duty just as the cost of fuel is coming down to a reasonable amount. This is not just the ordinary motorist but also the haulier, thus putting up all goods which we buy at the shops.

Posted by Stella Jones, 29th November 2008 8:31pm

Increasing the cost of fuel has the knock-on affect of putting everything that needs to be trasnported up too! The cost of fuel to workers make people want bigger pay increases so when will the government learn that essential items should be taxed less and luxury items more. People and business can't function without transport so give them help not hinderances.

Posted by Diane Thompson, 29th November 2008 9:00pm

This is unbelievable but typical of of Mr Brown, what he gives with 1 hand he takes away with the other

Posted by Heather Robinson, 29th November 2008 9:31pm

the country is broke manufacturing has gone east our natural assets have been sold off to foreign companies our people have had their pensions and bank accounts raided their houses taken away from them thrown out into the streets.
banks have stolen millions and are given millions of taxpayers money but the governments do not assist the hard working thrifty savers folk in the same way .
I am taxed 3 times on fuel ,fuel tax, vat and income taxed on the paltry expences i receive
Time for a National strike at least for the people to stand up an be counted
tell these useless politicians one and all you are our servants and you will do as we say

Posted by Ken Coutts, 29th November 2008 9:47pm

Yet again the easy option has been taken to raise more quick money to make up a shortfall in government funds whilst assuring the public that all is being done to quickly get the economy back on track. Raise the fuel tax and instantly funds come flooding in, the fact that it harms people and has a devastating effect on every aspect of life seems to be immaterial to the government.
I fail to see how this is the best for the country, for me, my family, my friends or even my enemies!
Surely if that darling Darling drastically reduced fuel tax for even say 9 months and abolished stamp duty on house sales the 'loss' in taxes would be no greater than his ludicrous 2.5% vat temporary rate cut.
This would bring on a revival in house sales and instant benefits to all aspects where fuel is a contributory factor cost wise.
To my mind the economy would start to people spend, people pay tax, people keep jobs, government build up yet more money to squander.
The 2.5% wonder (temporary) give away is I believe, a smoke screen to hide a massive hike in vat and other taxes, permanent this time, hitting everything else just as petrol is being singled out at present.
Again I say I cannot see why such an obvious and easy solution cannot be employed.
Oh wait a moment, my solution does not have a hidden agenda, that is why it would fail.

Posted by David Shakes, 29th November 2008 9:52pm

Just when i was getting used to fuel prices going down...this appaling news comes in....have never voted for Labour and will surely not be doing in the next election.

Posted by Lesley Okafor, 29th November 2008 10:11pm

This is yet another example of our duplicitous Prime Minister and Government. Perhaps worst of all is not that 'he' is raising taxes on motoring yet again but that he seems so far divorced from the real world that he believes that we are all too stupid to see through his shenannigans.

Posted by Nigel Brennan, 29th November 2008 10:16pm

Typical,

Its another form of thievery

Posted by David Low, 29th November 2008 10:19pm

I think he forgot to say Happy Christmas from Chancellor and Gord. The price goes up cause he can. 2 yr ago diesel was around 80p but its gone up time and again that we are used to it. We have been stretched up to as far as £1.30 litre, so they know we can pay that. Don't be fooled petrol will keep going up cause they know we will pay it and it is way too expensive. As for that other public shifty boy shadow chance he will be no better.

Posted by Ali J, 29th November 2008 10:41pm

Typical of the two faced lying politicans that we voted into power.
As usual "stich the motorist up whenver you can" its the first line of the politicans / burocrats handbook. They even think we are so stupid that we wont notice...but they are wrong, we did notice and come election time we wont forget!

Posted by Nigel Warren, 29th November 2008 11:07pm

Re: 10578

Good points there Petal.
Most of the posters here seem to have forgotten they should be counting their blessings.
This blog really isn't the place for the reasoning person, but fantastic for fans of the entitlement society.
Good lord, these people really do believe having fossil fuel energy available to them at such a knockdown price is a basic human right.
Newsflash - wakie wakie, it's a once only opportunity we have been given and we are abusing it mightily.
Peak Oil - please keep up the posting, you may feel you are wading through treacle thick stupidity, but there are those who take notice, over a period a few have found their way to Powerswitch from this dullards blog.



Posted by Interesting Times Ahead, 29th November 2008 11:27pm

What he giveth he taketh away - it's never in our favour - I actually left my car home the other day and got on a bus - it was dirty, and we were packed on like sardines, the bloke next to me decided to spit on the floor by my foot, we're not a third world country but we're expected to travel like it.

All the kids were coming home from school and the language was atrocious, and I certainly didn't relish the smelly kebab the kid behind me was eating, although he managed to multi-task whilst eating it by singing to his MP3 player resulting in me wearing half chewed, shredded cabbage. I paid £2.00 bus fare for that privelege!!!!!

My brains were shaken out of my head because the driver didn't bother to slow down when he went over the speed bumps and at one point I clung to my seat as I was afraid if he hit the bumps any faster I'd take off and land on my backside. He drove like a lunatic, the journey was so bad I had to get off and walk the rest of the way because I ended up feeling sick.

I've now bought a pushbike for the short journeys.

Posted by Sheena Johnson, 29th November 2008 11:35pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't VAT supposed to be for luxury items? If that's the case when did gas and electricity become a luxury item - or did I miss something!!?!?!?!?!?

Posted by Sheena Johnson, 29th November 2008 11:39pm

I think Alister Darling is just a puppet with Gordon Brown pulling the strings. We are being robbed constantly, by our government and by retailers. Messing around with the VAT is only going to make our economy worse in the long term. It will hit the food prices in our stores and one high street chain has put prices up on Wednesday to bring them back down again on December 1st. Driving may just end up being a luxury if this continues.

Posted by Vicky Goodfellow, 29th November 2008 11:42pm

As usual motorists are milked every time the government can not balance its books. Fuel taxes affect every one at the end of the day car user or not.

Posted by Mike Bringes, 29th November 2008 11:48pm

I'm 73 disabled I need my car to get around, Peak Oil (No 4) tells us to walk or get on our bikes, I avoid stairs and hill's when I do walk as it kills my knee's and hips, there are many more disabled in the country who are a lot worse than me. Now down to facts, My son-inlaw lives with me in Sunderland, he took his 3 1/2 year old on an adventure today, the journey's where the same as if he was travelling to work, bus from home to Newcastle £3.00, Metro from Newcastle to Sunderland £2.80, bus from Sunderland to home £1.80, total cost £7.70/day. He has to pay £50.00 for a years parking pass plus £3.00 /day to park at his work, total for the week £16.00 plus running costs for the car, a cleo diesel £35.00 road tax plus approx £290.00 insurance I think, then his fuel, 50+ to the gallon, so his running costs are roughly £10/week +parking fee's £16.00 = £26.00. His bus/metro costs £38.50. He saves £12.50/wk by using the car, £650.00 a year. They tell us to stop using our car's and use public transport and Newcastle city council and his employer's are trying to force them to use Public transport by reducing the number of parking spaces at his work, tell me where's the sense in this if they cannot improve public transport, both cost in money and time, his car is the best both in travelling time and cost. It's time that we renationalised the gas, water, electricity and public transport, and no I'm not a commie, it just annoys me to think that we are paying such high costs to put money into shareholder's pockets, bring back the death penalty for stealing and put Brown and his band of thieves on trial. Finally some of the manufacturer's should produce thier goods in the U.K. instead of putting billions of pounds into China, even if it means bigger prices for us and smaller profit for them.
Apologies for going on so much, Mac.

Posted by Mac, 30th November 2008 12:12am

Just think how much power the motorists and pensioners have to lobby votes. the americans do this ll the time.just look at their gun laws ect.
if we could unite motorists and pensioners to put their votes against the powers that be ,they wouldent dare do anything to upset us.

Posted by Ron Dixon, 30th November 2008 12:29am

isnt it funny all us motorist's are used as a piggy bank for the government eco tax, fuel tax, car tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax

its getting beyond a joke. how longs he gonna stay in charge???

Posted by Simon Taylor, 30th November 2008 12:37am

I am sick of this government. My grandad warned me that if Labour ever got back in power this would happen as he was around when they were in before. I have never voted for Labour and never will. I am struggling to keep my head above water and I have 2 jobs... It's a joke to them with their wages. Their holidays every year. Their numerous properties and a huge wad of cash in their pockets. Makes me sick...... Nothing suprises me with them, they just make me more and more angry.

Posted by Nicky Spree, 30th November 2008 2:18am

Don't know what anyone can do to make it right for the people, But it will take a long time before we ever see any improvement.
The Americans would not put up with this now would they...........

Posted by Annie, 30th November 2008 2:19am

Just as we think the Gordon Brown has screwed
the motorist enough, he wants to dip into our pokets
again. Where does he thiunk the Money is comming
from to pay this extra tax on fuel , hey it's because
we've saved 2.5% on vat. Now the motorist is going
to pay for all the people who don't drive to buy things
we can't afford!! I'm fumming grrr

Posted by Peter Grant, 30th November 2008 3:56am

the differential between petrol and diesel prices seems to be growing.
from a paek of 1.40 per litre the reuction is nowhere near the actual reduction of petrol.
with much of the transport and supply being diesel based, surely this is worthy of more attention.

Posted by Nick Millband, 30th November 2008 5:25am

only one thing to say gordon browns a masterbater

Posted by Steve Poole, 30th November 2008 7:07am

I like to be kissed first, before I'm f"£$%^. Whoever voted for these people... what were you thinking?

Posted by Michael Riley, 30th November 2008 7:54am

the motorist is easy pickings as usual now the price of fuel is coming down the government are losing out on the vat they where collecting so they are not going to give any more away

Posted by David Beechey, 30th November 2008 8:25am

They don't seem to solve anything just make things worse for everyone.

Posted by Josephine Short, 30th November 2008 8:26am

This is a typical ploy by the Government treating motorists like idiots. Yes we are all suffering but if the Government were totally committed to sorting this financial mess out then what is the point of reducing VAT on one hand then increasing duty with the other. I am very angry with the price of diesel fuel, The Prime Minister conned us into buying diesel vehicles saying that diesel fuel would always be cheaper than unleaded fuel, in reality the situation has been reversed, in my opinion the Prime Minister should be charged with "Highway Robbery". Its the same old storey, the motorist is yet again being ripped off. Its time we took a leaf out of the French book and started protesting on a "National Scale" instead of sitting back and allowing this sort of government to get away with underhand measures.

Posted by Trevor Foster, 30th November 2008 8:33am
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