24.11.08 Fuel prices to rise as motorist hit with 2p duty increase

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Do you think the government should cut fuel tax instead of making motorists foot the bill for the credit crisis?


A permanent 2p duty increase in fuel tax has been introduced in the pre-budget report, which despite being presented as revenue neutral, will mean that fuel prices will rise over the next year and beyond.

The move to increase fuel duty by 2p has been introduced to offset the rate cut in VAT from 17.5% to 15%. However, although the VAT holiday will last 13 months, the 2p duty rise is permanent.

When VAT returns to 17.5% motorists will still be paying the higher rate fuel tax of 52.35p per litre and the higher rate VAT, making tax 74% of the total cost of a litre of fuel, and instantly boosting the cost of fuel by 2p a litre.

If the Chancellor had instead announced scrapping duty and VAT, a litre of petrol would cost just 25p.

The changes are designed to be neutral, but calculations by PetrolPrices.com show that there will be a slight increase at the pumps of 0.4p a litre, or 20p per average 50 litre tank of unleaded when the changes come into effect on December 1st. The fact that fuel prices will increase at all is contrary to the message from the Chancellor that the changes will be revenue neutral.

Motorists and businesses will effectively be bearing the brunt of the costs involved with implementing changes to help the UK as it heads into a recession.

Fuel is taxed twice – a fixed duty and percentage VAT. The changes mean that the fuel duty will be 52.35p per litre and VAT will be 15% from the 1st December.

Do you think the Chancellor did the right thing? Is it fair to make motorists foot the bill for the cost of reducing VAT? Should we have VAT on fuel at all?

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When fuel prices are increased the costs related to a huge raft of consumer goods, foods, services, transport costs (public and private) and everyday essentials inevitably rise. As usual the government's approach hits the masses but featherbeds the "excessive expence account" politicians.

Also why does diesel fuel cost so much more in the UK than petrol. In virtually every other European country diesel is a much cheaper fuel - per litre.

Is this yet another example of the British people being ripped off by both it's incompetant, greedy government and the oil industry

Posted by G Carlin, 25th November 2008 7:25am

Apart from yet again disguising a tax increase, if fuel increases it's not just "at the pump" that this will be noticable. Delivery costs will increase no doubt and if so, it will be passed on to the consumer. This just doesn't make any sense to me!!!

Posted by Tricia Ryder, 25th November 2008 7:25am

I can't say I'm surprised, The labour government have treated the motorist as it's private treasure trove since the day it got in. What really makes me bloody angry is the price differential between petrol and deisel. You will find deisel is cheaper than petrol on the continent, in this country we are paying up to 13 pence per litre more! This cannot be right. I look forward to being canvassed by a labourite come the next election!

Posted by Gordon Mcdonald, 25th November 2008 7:25am

I actually approve of increased yax on fuel!
I propose that the government should get rid of the road fund licience and replace it with a fuel tax ...about 8p per litre for the average motorist. The more miles you do... the bigger engine you have... the more you pay.
I propose that third party insurance should be nationalised and added to the fuel tax..about 4p per litre for the average motorist.
Again the more miles covered the more you pay.
Anyone wanting fully comp. insurance could still go to the private insurers.

Advantages. The tax collecting machinery is already in place.
Tax and insurance dodgers would be eliminated.
No big annual bills.
All bills would be pro rata useage.
One simple easily managed collection system.
Disadvantage. A lot of civil servants would be redundant!

Posted by Roger Bartlett, 25th November 2008 7:25am

The question "Do you think the government should cut fuel tax instead of making motorists foot the bill for the credit crisis?" is framed so amateurishly that the whole exercise is invalidated. You might as well ask "Do you believe that good is better than bad?" It is simply absurd to build in the assertion that "the motorist" is being made to foot the bill. I am a motorist, a pedestrian, a cyclist, a user of trains, buses, etc, so why characterize people by their use of one mode of transport only? Answer: because you are not interested in having a mature debate about transport economics but prefer to use this site as a rabble-rousing single issue protest that denies the wider context of environmental and social issues.

Posted by Porphyro, 25th November 2008 7:26am

@312

The reason for diesel being more expensive that petrol is this: with more people switching from petrol to diesel (like me) in order to save a few quid in running costs the government started missing out on some of their valuable tax revenue and the oil companies started missing out on a few quid profit. So they upped the duty and overall price of diesel to make up the difference. It can be the only reason; 312 is right, there isn't such a gulf between the price elsewhere

Posted by Abo, 25th November 2008 7:26am

After making apparently genuine efforts to stabilise the current financial difficulties this 2p increase seems to me a rather tasteless act.

Posted by Bob Tugwell, 25th November 2008 7:26am

This is absolutely disgusting. . . he reduces VAT and then increases fuel prices which will put up the cost of transporting goods. . .which will put up the prices of goods. . . . thereby negating the reduction in VAT !!!! What sort of crazy thinking is THAT?????

Posted by Paul Bellamy, 25th November 2008 7:27am

They cut the VAT HA! HA! put up fuel tax so this hits everything that has to be delivered so how can anyone possibly put their goods down in price. As being disabled and pensioners we need our car for lots of hospital appointments ,OK we get a free bus pass but the walk to the bus stop either end of the journey is out of the question so our car is essential so this fuel tax will hit us hard.

Posted by John Hunt, 25th November 2008 7:27am

"Smoke and mirrors", that's what is happening.
Don't the public realise that we can't have something for nothing.
There can't just be a reduction in VAT and nothing to compensate for it.
NI and Income Tax are increasing as well to offset all of this.
The reality is that this action is a "band aid" to the economy.
What this country really needs is investment in the future and to MAKE products that we can SELL to GENERATE INCOME - not just keep taking from the population !

Posted by Adam Horne, 25th November 2008 7:27am

The real problems are 1) Successive governments have frittered the North Sea reserves 2) Balance of payments deficit 3) Lack of a diversified economy 4) Too many bullshitters, and and not enough engineers in government.

Major manufacturers are deserting the UK so little work flows through to small employers. (A budget for) Industry is anathama to the career politicians who don't know that there are two 7 o'clocks in each day.

Time to end the belief that we can make enough money from taking in each others washing to enable the industrious th be taxed adequately to subsidise the feckless.

Posted by George, 25th November 2008 7:27am

To the WINGER who wrote 39. It's all very well saying we are all wingers and to get home deliveries, who is going to pay for our home deliveries? we don't have credit cards and can't have them...government thing again.

If you thought about it, the drivers who drive those vehicles have to use fuel...the very thing that kpeps gong up. What about the emergency services? Don't come WINGING to me if you need help with an medical problem...I need fuel to get to you!

Posted by Anthony Rogers, 25th November 2008 7:27am

This is a joke nothing more than i expected off this govement but then again I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THEM. Even Richard (wont let me use the word D*^k) Turpin wore a mask.

Posted by Wayne Stokes, 25th November 2008 7:27am

I think that it is disgusting that once again the motorist is the one to get hit in the pocket, surely the amount of taxes that we already pay into the government should more than cover a reduction in V.A.T by just 2 1/2 %, isnt that what the so-called coffers are about?

Posted by Paul , 25th November 2008 7:28am

Unbelievable! Only a couple of months ago they were urging oil companies to cut their prices because of how it affects our economy and now they have put the tax up themselves - how exactly is that going to help the economy Mr Darling? They seem to think we are too stupid to know what is going on.

Posted by Kathy Turner, 25th November 2008 7:28am

Typical of this government's mis-management of the economy. Fuel prices have recently dropped, but only because of the price of cude oil. This will not last, and as always, the motorist will be footing an unfair increase of the tax burden as it rises again. Unfortunately, this will be reflected in general price increases as everything is delivered by road.

Posted by John Webster, 25th November 2008 7:28am

So what's new! We have a Prime Minister who we are told doesn't drive and a Cabinet who are on salaries p;us lots of extras and perks most of the rest of us can only dream about. Anyway they are usually driven around in publically funded cars and they don't have to pay the perol or diesel used.

Posted by Don Fairley, 25th November 2008 7:28am

The Chancellor should make fuelm duty and vat equal to that charged by other European counttries. Harmonisation of tax and duty was one of the corner stones of the common now europeasn market

Posted by Alan Stone, 25th November 2008 7:28am

I like many other disabled people need my car to get around as the public transport where is virtually useless where wheelchairs are concerned and virtually non existant at the times I need to go out.

We get taxed enough in other respects, with the basic price of disabled equipment higher than anything needed for ablebodied, even without having to pay VAT on these products.

If the government wants to show the way forward to everyone including the opposition parties, they should start with getting their own house in order by taking pay cuts and cutting back on inflated expense accounts and pensions. Lets face it this is what Joe Public has to do, and they don't get a fat bonus when they do something wrong or have to leave the company they work for, for what ever reason.

Posted by Ann Argent, 25th November 2008 7:28am

What a missed opportunity! If the VAT on fuel had gone down without putting the tax up, then everyone would have benefited as lower fuel prices could mean lower prices on everything. As it is, nothing changes - except for increases in the future.

Posted by Patricia Hobbs, 25th November 2008 7:28am

Here we go again hit the poor motorist. Not like we are get the vat rebate...all the shops etc are saying it's too much hassle to change everything in such a short time. So us WORKING taxpayers are going to end up paying for it in the end. Typical labour. Penalise the working.

Posted by Michelle Tricker, 25th November 2008 7:29am

Here we go again
give it to you with one hand and take it away with the other,
reduce all the prices in the shops to tempt you.
But charge you more for fuel ,to get you and the goods to the shops

Posted by Malcolm Collims, 25th November 2008 7:29am

Never mind the fuel change - if he thinks that knocking 2.5% of vat - which is actually about 2.1% off prices will make us all rush to the shops and spend when 25% sale reductions hasn't he is on a different planet to me.

If he had spent the 12 billion on a fuel cost reduction people would have had more money in their pockets and felt better about it. But that would not have fitted in with the pretence about saving the environment.

Posted by Michael Paul Hodson, 25th November 2008 7:29am

we are taxed to the hilt income tax, fuel duty, (tax) national insurance, (tax) vat, council tax, car tax, tax on clothes, death tax ie Funerall taxes, stamp duty on property, what happens when they run out of things to tax tax is to pay the inflated wages of the polotitions that we elect and the ones that they employ at inflated wages and there pensions. I think it is time to stop

Posted by Gary Hopwood, 25th November 2008 7:29am

In the fight against the profligate use of oil only price works. Higher prices lead to less consumption and greater investment in alternatives. I am not convinced this government raises prices for that reason but we will all benefit in the long run.

Posted by Dereck Smith, 25th November 2008 7:29am

THIS IS TYPICAL OF THE GOVERNMENT. THIS 2P WILL BE PERMANENT EVEN WHEN THE VAT GOES BACK TO 17.5%. THEY PROMISED NOT TO PUT FUEL DUTY UP & HAVE NOW DONE JUST THAT BUT AS USUAL THROUGH THE BACK DOOR HOPING NOBODY WILL NOTICE. WE ARE RURAL HERE & ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET, A CAR BEING AN ESSENTIAL NOT A LUXURY.

Posted by Michael Clow, 25th November 2008 7:29am

Taxing and charging the motorist is easy money for the government - and has got very little to do with enhancing the environment. And anyway, when we hear that massive borrowing is going to get us out of this credit crisis, isn't that what started the problem in the first place? Much too complex for me, I think I'll just keep digging

Posted by John Mclannahan, 25th November 2008 7:29am

God Giveth, the Chancelor taketh away. Another stunt to help us vote for him in the next election when we have been taxed to death in the past 11 years.

Posted by Terry, 25th November 2008 7:29am

They say that they will help the common man and women get through the current crisis but it seems a bit rich to cut tax in one way and raise it in another, how does that help ?

Posted by Tim Carter, 25th November 2008 7:29am

I'm a self employed sales agent, driving 30K a year, paying my vat by means of the flat rate scheme. Both the fuel duty increase and the vat rate reduction have a negative effect on my profit.

Posted by Mark Murphy, 25th November 2008 7:29am

£2.50 back in every £100, not really going to help and will not encourage me to hit the shops, particularly as when paying it all back in fuel costs!!!

Sorry Mr D, but can you remind me again, where I will be better off!!!!

Posted by Nichola Gray, 25th November 2008 7:29am

reducing vat does not directly help any of us, as prices are constantly increasing from suppliers abroad, and the price of shipping also increases, this will only help the fat cats get fatter, the every day people will only see savings in our pockets of pennies, which in the long term we will inevertly have to pay for...so increasing the duty on fuel is only going to add to our burdon.......we don't see the politicians ridding around on public transport, yet we have to pay the politicians to drive flashy cars and live the life of riley....GORDON the games up.... were not all that stupid.........

Posted by John Walker, 25th November 2008 7:30am

Disgraceful! Every day i have been watching petrol prices decrease and now this! Whats the point in reducing VAT to increase spending when we cant get to the places to spend money in the first place as petrol prices increase! Idea - why doesn't the chancellor take the profits Shell & BP have made this year and wipe out national debt???

Posted by Mrsmarvy, 25th November 2008 7:30am

How typical of both Gordo (the clown) and Alistair (the panda) to hit the lower paid by increasing fuel tax. This will only lead yet again to higher prices for the basic day to day products. So anyone who doesn't get any of this "giveaway" budget in their pay packet will be paying extra again.

Roll on the election!!

Posted by Ian Hawkridge, 25th November 2008 7:30am

Surely a long term rise in fuel tax is only going to increase the cost of transporting food, goods and materials around the country, which will worsen the credit crunch.

For a lot of people, the cost of travelling to work is a major expense, so to increase fuel tax in the long term is just waing matters worse!

Posted by Rob Heath, 25th November 2008 7:30am

Another Labour con; why are we all so gullible in the UK?
Use public transport more we are told; prime example, I caught the train from Cardiff to London last week for a meeting.. £157.00 return and I had to stand in the aisle for 2.5 hours as no seats whilst a group of 20 lads got drunk and extremely abusive to other passengers, the guards turned a blind eye. Gordon stick your public transport if this is a prime example of what I can expect..

Posted by Wayne Morris, 25th November 2008 7:30am

Lets get one thing straight, Brown and his cronies have as much in common with the working man (and woman) as the royal family. I come from a long line of factory workers and was brought up on a council estate so no comments about my tory boy background.
You get what you deserve, you were all warned before the last general election what would happen, labour has ALWAYS taxed the working man to the hilt. Well you voted them in now you are stuck with them, we are firmly back to the early seventies big time, next it will be the three day week and power cuts etc. Better hope your grannie doesnt die she won't get buried.

The reality is they were never going to give us anything, I mean are we all going to rush out and buy Rhiddions new CD today (not that I would anyway) because it is 4p cheaper than yesterday? no, but we will buy more fuel for our cars to get to work, so, buy a cd and save 4p buy 5 litres of fuel and pay 10p more result? 6p worse off, not rocket science is it?

Wake up Britain you are being ripped off, next time you see that slobbering smile of Brown on the TV take a close look and ask yourself "would I buy a used car off this man" well would you?

Posted by Tony Parker, 25th November 2008 7:30am

We always seem to be inbetween a rock and a hard place, its always the motorist that has to compensate, they preach at us to use public transport, huh! I did last weekend, what a shambles, my train was cancelled with 15 minutes notice after an hour wait for the next one which was 20 minutes late, we were herded in like cattle, so whats the alternative, each is as bad as the other, I dont remember a budget where the motorist has not been hit. I would fill in one of these every day if I thought it would make a difference, but alas, it wont. Come on government listen to the people you govern, give the motorist a break, do something positive, reduce the tax on petrol.

Posted by Geoff Caspell, 25th November 2008 7:30am

Far too much self-pity round here. Fuel prices have recently dropped dramatically but I see no mention of that here. Be realistic.

Posted by Roger Rutherford, 25th November 2008 7:30am

We can expect nothing less from this corrupt labour government, they have put extra taxes on the motorist and general tax payer consistently during their time in office. The only answer is to vote them out as soon as the opportuinity presents itself.

Steve J

Posted by Steve Jarvis, 25th November 2008 7:30am

In addition to this further tax on motorist , also remember if you use your car for work the 40p tax free allowance has not changed for over 5 years, also the difference between diesel and petol is now widening sometimes as much as 15p litre.Car parking fees, conjection charges,pay to park at work in the pipeline increase in insurance, increase in the cost of servicing, increase in environmental charges, yes that odd £5 to £6 each time you have a service, lets start a campaign to ask for the used part back and we will dispose of them ourselves, or is there a law against getting rid of your own used oil filter?

Posted by George Dennis, 25th November 2008 7:30am

My five biggest expenses are (in order):
1. Mortgage - unaffected unless jitters about gov spending push interest rates up.
2. Food - zero rated so unaffected
3. Heating - 5% VAT unaffected by cut in main rate of VAT
4. Council Tax - rate of increase may slow (I doubt it)
5. Fuel - Temporarily neutral but increase shortly
So what has the Govornment done apart from spend our future away (again)?
Been here before with Wilson et al and sickened...

Posted by Martin Beenham, 25th November 2008 7:30am

Sadly, we all knew it was coming! 6 months ago and cut in fuel duty may have been our saving grace! It would not have solved all the problems but it may have prevented some of them happening so quickly! The world is in melt down fronm the initial greed of a few - how quickly this all snowballs and look where we are now! Someone, somewhere is going to have to pay...oh yes, us in every which way possible - VAT cut - bah - what's the point - lots of work to make the changes on labels etc... - taxes...what else can they possibly do to us...
You all voted in the last election though! May be it's time to do the decent thing...but who looks any different! Much love and happiness - live life to the full, for tomorrow....who knows! J xx

Posted by Janice Gohns, 25th November 2008 7:31am

Yet again the average person will be worse off! But not to worry coz we are saving an extra 2p on VAT WOW - Thats bound to restore confiedence in the government!

Posted by Clair Pepper, 25th November 2008 7:31am

The motorist yet again, WHY does he think we should have pay for his mistakes, just when fuel prices are starting to drop to a realistic price yet again the goverment slaps MORE TAX ON THE MOTORIST yet again. Personaly as i pensioner i have no more money in my pocket today to spend than i had yesterday so i wont be in a position to go out on a spending spree next week and does the chancellor realy think prices are going to come down in the shops on the 1st of december if so he is is living in cuckoo land?all that will happen is the small shop and big outlet iwill leave prices as they are and make a larger profit and we cant prove otherwise what the price was 7 days earlier or demand 2.5% off. what a mess any incoming goverment is left to take a country .

Posted by David Butler, 25th November 2008 7:31am

The Government are determined to get cars off the road, thereby saving on roadbuilding, how, by penalising the motorist at every turn, speeding 6 points and a fine, caught twice lose your license, that is just the lastest and it takes little or no interest in whether your job is on the line, thus increasing the unemployment. they do absolutley nothing about public transport, outlying villages need cars as there are no buses.

actually when you look at it, in some areas it is very difficult to go beyond 25 miles an hour because of traffic congestion, and pelase don't even mention charges. as usual the Government is hitting Joe Public and penalising him at every turn.

Posted by Paul Gaskell, 25th November 2008 7:31am

Yet again we are hit in the pocket by this raise. This time last year diesel was at the same price £1.05 a gallon so we are back to what it was but now with this price rise it's going on the up and before we know it we will be touching £1.15 by early in the new year. We need to get to work to earn the money but we are still being hit in the pocket. Surely there is soemthing else that can be done. He gets driven round in the car provided for him so bet he doesn't pay for his fuel. He wants to come and live a normal like most of the country and live on our wages.

Posted by Denise Verdon, 25th November 2008 7:31am

the chancellor is wrong and the poor motorest who depends on his car for work is hit again.
think of the money they could save like stopping payments to these young girls who sleep around then get pregnent and rely on the state to feed them house them clothe them.
then there is the drunks and drug addicts going into A&E every night whos overdose or been fighting and been injured these people should be made to pay.
then there is the layabouts who do not want to work stop their benefits, there are a lot of people who can not work for one reason or other, they should not have tp pay for the scroungers who are ripping off the goverment.

Posted by Barry Miller, 25th November 2008 7:31am

once again the guy with a car will pay for labours failings
brown the unelected pm tells petrol companies to lower the price of petrol and then adds fuel tax ....... this was browns idea months ago

Posted by Mark Langdon, 25th November 2008 7:32am

We are virtually being held to ransom by the bankers, politicians, et al. How much more do we have to take and will any other political party make any difference? The best course of action will be to follow Mahatma Gandhi and deny oneself for a while till the blackmailers come down on their knees and respect the 'customer' for whom they claim to exist.

Posted by N Srinivasan, 25th November 2008 7:32am

I am a believer that the people who created the problem should pay wholly for it. If I make a mistake, I apologise and make amends. Penalising innocent people went out with persecution of Christians.

I pay my taxes because I expect the roads to be lit and policed, children schooled etc. I don't however, want the backside ripped out of my purse to pay for something which subsidises people's bad spending habits and 'can't be bother' attitudes. I don't make unnecessary trips; think about how I use my car and its effect on the environment. Therefore, I should not be penalised for living within my means and thinking about others and the planet.

Posted by Bernie Jones, 25th November 2008 7:32am

Supplies are falling, climate change is happening: we can't have cheap petrol for ever. The tax increase is actually a tax switch (from VAT to fuel duty) to keep prices at the same level - a level which is already loads lower than a few months ago.

And for all the people moaning about an incompetent government - I'd rather have this lot than Osborne at a time like this.

Posted by Anthony, 25th November 2008 7:33am

Ermm typical, I remember when the Labour Government was for the working man, now all the Government is is for wrecking the UK. Hitting the motorist well, why not, we have 24hr pub openings - more revenue - people drink more they cost extra money on Police to sort out their drunken brawls - why not after all it is the tax payers that have to pay for it, hit the drinkers for a change and put up beers and spirits, then the dole earners wont be able to afford to drink.

Why the motorist all the time? I have to survive on Benefits I have no choice because of my disability, I need my small car for hospital trips - hang on a minute I get 6p a mile from the government although the hospital is a round trip of 40 miles this doesnt even touch the cost of petrol, this country is turning out to be a rich mans' country, you have to be rich to live here - LABOUR MUST GO!!!!!! Don't forget people we have to pay for all the legal and illegal immigrants, not to mention all the rubbish in jail having a good time and who better than the motorist????

Posted by Pat Wright, 25th November 2008 7:33am

Once again it's the same "victims", wether you're on two wheels or four.

Ultimately this hits everyone as road haulage costs will be applied directly to consumer goods.

Darling and his "puppet master" continue to Take and Take - as the old saying goes - "At least Highwaymen had the grace to wear a black mask"

Posted by Mick , 25th November 2008 7:33am

Do they think we are stupid???

What worries me about this lot is, spend spend spend.

When call me Dave gets in the Cupboard is bare, or even worse still, that's be sold off as well!!

Dave will have 5 years of bad stuff to hand out to Joe Public, Darling Gordon, hopes in 5 years time well give him another go cos Dave has been a bad lad!!

You couldn't make it up.

Alan MaC

Posted by Alan Mcdonald, 25th November 2008 7:33am

This policy demonstrates that the government has totaly lost its way and is groping in the dark.

if they believe that reducing prices by 2.5p for every pound we spend is going to make everyone rush out and start spending again, they are clearly in a dream world.

This increase in fuel duty will hit people who live in rural areas and who rely heavily on their cars. It will also mean that transport costs for the goods they want us to buy will go up and not down as was hoped.

CHANGE THIS GOVERNMENT QUICKLY before it is too late and we suffer the consequences for generations to come.

Posted by Robin Charles Wiggins, 25th November 2008 7:33am

fuel prices need to come down to assist all the small transport companies, diesel in particular costs too much to help industry.

Posted by Jennifer Finbow, 25th November 2008 7:33am

"Short Term pain ~ Long term Gain"
Not here is just another example of long term pain and no gain anywhere in sight for the mortorist ~ nothing new here then.

Posted by Kevan Randall, 25th November 2008 7:33am

As usual it is us, the poor motorist who gets screwed by this government. It is the easy option to increase duty on fuel and they know that they will get away with it.

WHY IS DIESEL 17P A LITRE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN UNLEADED!!!!

Posted by Jon Dodd, 25th November 2008 7:33am

Shafted again and again.....

Posted by Emma-louise North, 25th November 2008 7:33am

The main household expense for all people with families are, Food, petrol / diesel and domestic fuels.

With the cut in VAT the cost of food won't change as it is in the main part VAT free, we are now being faced with higher Petrol / Diesel costs and we will have to wait to see if the utilities companies will actual pass on this saving, which to be honest may save people at best £25 per £1,000 spend.

This action by Labour is nothing more than a smoke screen which will eventually lead to massive tax hikes to pay for the estimated £200+ Billion borrowed to shore up Labour's failed policies.

So after 11 years of a Labour Government, nothing has really changed, they balls things up, borrow obscene amounts on money, virtually bankrupt the country and then lose the next election, in all intends and purposes this could be the 1970's all over again.

Posted by Tyreman, 25th November 2008 7:33am

This is another farce from the goverment do they not realise when you raise the price of fuel it affects everyone.

From a transport point of view when you raise the fuel costs the people who deliver your food to the supermarkets have to then raise there prices to compensate for the extra costs involved.

The Labour goverment have got us into this situation and they do nothing to help us the phrase dangling a carrot springs to mind.

Posted by Gavin Bird, 25th November 2008 7:33am

successive govts have got us hooked on motoring through lack of forward planning and an integrated transport policy. now we're hooked - they put the price of the drug up. If you have to travel - to work/ shop / go to hospital you've GOT to use a car and therefore pay these prices......

workers revolt!

Posted by Gmt, 25th November 2008 7:33am

not sure if you picked up in the budget that the 2.5% reduction in VAT does NOT apply to fuel?

Posted by Nigel Singleton, 25th November 2008 7:33am

Typical "new" Labour. Don't these people realise that motorists are also electors and really resent being clobbered by their big brother tactics against them on an ongoing basis. It's humps, bumps, potholes and parking tickets not to menion huge taxation and zillions of cameras watching everything we do. We must ensure they pay for this at the next election

Posted by Stuart Innes, 25th November 2008 7:33am

If this Government had reduced the fuel tax by 2p then it would benefit everybody. The cost of fuel to transport goods to shops affects the prices we pay, so if the fuel went down then in theory the shop prices should fall too, making everyone a winner. What difference is the reduction in vat going to make, not a lot !
Typical of this government, and did anyone else notice they recently voted themselves a pay rise?

Posted by Annette Blanshard, 25th November 2008 7:34am

Surely the thing to note is that the poor, driving less efficient cars will suffer most from this. I can't see it as malign, merely incompetent

Posted by Ffinlo Kilner, 25th November 2008 7:34am

Mr Darling is not only being disingenuous but also dishonest by this slight of hand budget, He is aso contempuous of the political awareness of the British people, they will not forget or forgive "New Labour" I believe that Messers Brown & Darling have now read the last rites of the labour movement

Posted by John Kelly, 25th November 2008 7:34am

All I have to say is "Same sh*t different day"
Nothing we say or try and do is gonna make an ounce of difference.
They will do what they want and we will have to put up with it!!!

Posted by Steve Glass, 25th November 2008 7:34am

I knew that they would give in one hand and take in the other. But this is just a way to get more revenue. By adding 2p to the cost of fuel this will then be added to all the goods that we buy, therefore the drop in VAT will not make any difference at all as the prices of the goods will go up and we will probably be worse off. The cut in VAT is only £2.50 for every hundred pounds we spend, 2p per litre added to fuel will add up to more than that when added to the cost of everything that we buy.

It would make much more sense to cut the fuel tax at least that way prices would be passed on to the consumer and we would all benefit, driver or not.

Posted by Denise Mason, 25th November 2008 7:34am

The giveth and they taketh away - why are we surprised?

The country's going to the dogs, companies are going bust, people are losing their jobs, everyone is struggling financially and what does this farce of a government do? It gives you a whopping 2.5% drop in VAT (whoopy do) so you can start spending again (dream on) but to compensate for that it sticks an extra 2p a litre fuel tax just when we have finally started to see a decent drop in petrol prices! Talk about a kick in the nuts when you're down!

It's about time these clowns were shown the door - they don't live in the real world, they earn enough so they don't have to worry about filling their cars with petrol or their trolley's with food - the rest of us are struggling. They may's well shove us all in the river and tell us to paddle upstream against the tides. We've got no chance!

I've got 3 kids, both myself and my husband work, we don't claim benefits and we are struggling big time to cope with the bills and rather than throw us a lifeline this government is standing on our heads pushing us under!

Gordon Brown & Alistair Darling, there is so much I would like to say and call you, alas if I did so on here my post would undoubtedly be removed but I will say this - I personally have ZERO confidence in your abilities to run this country and I'm not the only one who thinks so! This country is heading for meltdown and we've got you to thank!

Posted by Claire Baxter, 25th November 2008 7:34am

This is typical of a labour government...........high spending, high taxing, boom and then bust economics!!
If they were to run a business, the way they run the Economy, it'll have gone into receivership ages ago.

They give with one hand and take away with the other!! The poor motorist should have all the benefits of an economic "shake" passed on to them?

Posted by Peter S., 25th November 2008 7:34am

Hardly surprising to see that; whilst the economy is on a slow down; the public become finacially resonsible for picking up the bill for poor financial management.
Will we ever see the day where a roadworker puts down his shovel and says "that's it, I'm finished"? No, there always another road to dig! Similarly, the government will always say there's yet another tax to pay, or like 'Oliver' can I have some more please?
An expensive country for the poor services we recieve and yet, with any other purchased service, you have the right to decide whether it's fit for purpose and the ability to retrun if not. Why don't we have the same right in our "democratic" society I wonder?

Posted by Marcus, 25th November 2008 7:34am

well well well once again the government try to white wash us,,yet again its the poor motorists who suffer,, its ok for them with the high wages they pay themselves, what about us normal folk who have to rely on their car to get to work because since labour has been in there are no local jobs. its about time they gave us all a break instead of taking us for fools.

Posted by Kim Laskey, 25th November 2008 7:34am

re 4 - yes but is there any truth in the rumour about free bus passes being withdrawn - they have certainly reduced local car journies with only 1 or 2 in the car

Livid of Langho

Posted by Ian Wilson, 25th November 2008 7:34am
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