Price cuts create biggest ever fuel price gap

1149
Ask your boyfriend he might oblige.

I'l.b.blowed

so will I if I play my cards right.

Vauxhall AMPERA

Going on sale sometime in 2011 and it could be built at Ellesmere and is capable of 176 mpg. Priced between £20,000 and £25,000.
The government won't make much on fuel duty for this car so whats the bet they'll hit it with a very high "showroom tax".
Mind you we're not being ripped off are we?

Oil giant Royal Dutch Shell has posted a sharp fall in quarterly profits after the price of oil slumped dramatically towards the end of last year.

Profit for the final three months of 2008 fell to $4.8bn (£3.4bn), down 28% from the same period a year ago and 56% lower than the previous quarter.

But annual profits at the Anglo-Dutch company rose 14%, to $31.4bn, helped by record oil prices over the summer.

This represents a record annual profit for any UK or European company.

All rip off claimants will be shot or hung.

Shame on you for not being more understanding following a difficult 6 months for executives.
Imagine how it must feel to only have an income of £1m this year instead of the £1.25m had profits ran true to forecasts.
Now pull yourselves together and lets have a positive effort and use more fuel.
Thank you. Selfish lot.

Chinese oil firm China National Petroleum Corp (CNPC) signed a deal with the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) on Jan. 14, 2009 to develop the north Azadegan oil field. The deal is worth $2 billion in its first phase. Under the first phase lasting 48 months, the capacity would reach 75,000 barrels per day (bpd). The tenure of the project is 12 years.

MALAYSIA

NIOC signed a gas deal worth $14 billion on Dec. 1, 2008, with Malaysia's SKS group. The deal involves a project to produce liquefied natural gas (LNG) and the development of two gas fields, Golshan and Ferdows. Exports of crude and 120,000 barrels of gas condensates are also part of the agreement.
Peak Oil reached yet? I think not!

Hi to all.
Bandidoz,
ITA, I had forgotten about you,
Adrian, I hope you are well.

Does this government have any long/short term plans in pre/post production in readiness for oil shortages?

We are all aware of oil prices climbing in the next year or two to unprecedented levels, but is it really because of declining sources or is my cynicism kicking in and is it a case of mass profiteering.

@1143 - Yeah I don't get it either (throwing dosh into renewables). The Spanish are doing very well with their windfarms at the moment, saving oodles of money.

Hi all,been busy lately so haven't looked in. Surprised to see things still rolling along!

Hey Bandidoz 1142, I get that, but I do think there is an element of 'extra' profit taking going on too, perhaps more than in former times.

It will be interesting to watch what happens to very cash rich oil independents as raw material for them becomes tighter - amalgamations anyone (over time of course).

Amazingly, or so it seems to me, these dicks aren't really throwing much of their dosh into renewables. Perhaps that is why they are so rich and I am not. Oh well.

no no no no no no NO!

When are you guys going to get it that it's about FUTURES??????

If you look at the current prices they are as follows......

NYMEX Light Sweet:
Mar 2009 35.94 (Spot Price)
April 2009 42.47
May 2009 45.95
June 2009 47.83
July 2009 49.28

ICE Brent:
Mar09 44.28 (Spot Price)
Apr09 45.32
May09 46.97
Jun09 48.40
Jul09 49.48

As yous can see, the futures price (that is actually used in the contracts) is noticeably higher than the spot price - the NYMEX spot being particularly low at present due to high level of stocks in the USA.

Comparing our petrol prices against USA's spot crude prices doesn't make a lot of sense. Perhaps when the markets were stable 5 years ago they did, they certainly don't now.

1140 Boo to Kellarman;
Spot on again.

March 2005 $1 U.S = £1.70 +- .
Feb 2009 $1 U.S = £1.40 +-. 17.7% Weaker today.

March 2005 Oil $57. barrel.
Feb 2009 Oil $40. barrel = 29.8% cheaper.

March 2005 u/l 85.9
Feb 2009 u/l 89.9 or 4.6% dearer.

Something definitely is wrong somewhere and we know where.

Daily Express today confirms that we are being ripped off.

Good morning.
It has been rather quiet on these pages of late, I trust all are OK.

This is a bit of rather interesting reading from days gone by.

BBC March 2005
"Surely there should be some protests, or at least questioning of candidates during this General Election, now that we have record petrol prices at the pumps ?
The BBC reports:
"Petrol prices at UK pumps have reached their highest-ever levels, according to petrol consultancy Catalyst.
A litre of unleaded petrol now costs 85.6p and some analysts are warning of further increases to come.
The previous record was 85.3p in 2000, when drivers blockaded roads to protest at the soaring costs and government plans to raise taxes on fuel.

Independant March 2005
Motorists face hit from rising oil price By Philip Thornton Friday, 18 March 2005
Car drivers look likely to be hit by an increase in petrol costs because of soaring oil prices, just days after Gordon Brown attempted to placate the motoring lobby by delaying the rise in fuel duty.
Car drivers look likely to be hit by an increase in petrol costs because of soaring oil prices, just days after Gordon Brown attempted to placate the motoring lobby by delaying the rise in fuel duty.
The price of crude oil hit a fresh all-time high on both sides of the Atlantic yesterday, breaking through the $57 (£29.60) a barrel price in New York.

March 2005.
85.3p per litre.
Oil over $57 barrel.

Today Feb 2009
86.9p per litre
Oil under $40 barrel

Something not quite right.

Good afternoon.
Although the main discussion has remained in the peak oil backyard many people still feel as if the fuel prices in this country are excessively high.
We are all aware of the threat of oil peaking in the near or distant future or even that we have already passed that particular point. Who knows?
What is clear is oil will not last forever.
What is unclear is higher pricing in the UK.
Averagely speaking, lets look at the average price of petrol on a global scale.
Taken from 36 countries including the lowest in the world Venezuela ($0.12) also including Taiwan, Brazil, Kuwait, Russia, Andorra, Luxemburg, Italy and the highest in the world Netherlands($6.48) plus others.
Prices in USD and using US Gallons.
From the 36 countries the average is $3.80 per US gallon.
The UK average USD/US gallon is $5.79
We are among the highest in the world.
For the price of one fill up in the UK, you could buy enough fuel in Venezeula and drive around the world.

1137 Hi again Steve
Sorry about last night the medications are taking a bit of getting used to, one minute I'm full of beans(not windy though) the next I cant
keep my eyes open, they tell me it's normal and that I'll get used to it (maybe
another reason they stopped me driving).
We'll have to arrange a poker night or 2 it'll be quite interesting because it's "live" play all around the world and you can claim $1000. almost hourly to play.

To keep up with blog policies Diesel here is 99.9ppl and unleaded 88.9ppl.
Have you noticed though that no matter how strong the pound is, it has little if any effect on immediate fuel prices. (R.O.B.) I looked at that on google as well and I'm sorry it's not my cup of tea (or coffee) either.
Heidi & Hannah are down today for dinner & tea so I'll catch you early evening. By the way I found that the best pain killer for breaks and strains
was co-codamol 30/500, I was having to take 4 every 4 hours but once you get used to the side effects they are quite good at their job.
Anyway catch you later.

Hi Adrian

Signed into the poker site. Drinkdiesel. Thats me.

Adrian,

I have saved the site, which game do you play?

I have not played for many years, but I suppose its like riding a bike.

Like you, I cannot drive for a while, which means the children have a white-knucle lift from their mother to school and college.

Did you have a look at "Humanure Handbook"? Very good reading, although I have only brushed some of the pages, I will sit and get stuck in during the week.

I have had some black pudding (pigs pud) this evening and the thought of its contents mixed with our ex-contents, didn't put me off at all. Mmmm. Yum.

Steve
Now that you're laid up for a while, do you play poker?
If so have you heard of Pokerstars.com? You have to register and join (all free)
and you play with pretend money, you have to download their software (it's safe) to be able to play and then once set up you can look for me (ableabel)
and play on the same table. I find it quite good. Give it some thought and even if you can't play it's an easy way to learn.
This particular posting may be removed (blog policies) so make a note.

1133 As you say Steve up up and away but of course I only notice it now as a passenger but it still pi$$e$ me off cause I can't expect friends and family to run me around for nothing even though it's a job to get them to take some money for fuel.
What we'll have now is that fuel won't come down it will just remain steady for 2 maybe 3 days then creep up.
Enemas that's my one dread of being in hospital no dignity.
Snow down here comes and go's in a day although some very talented snow sculpturer did a very good snow man by me and when I say "man" I mean
6 foot pr*ck complete with testicles and a bell end and a p!ss hole it was very good and it cheered me up with the humour.
Very quiet over the last few days mind you the "organics" were quite interesting.

Hi Adrian,

Sorry to hear you've been a bit unwell, but glad you're better(ish) now.
I find the liquid morphine works veeerrryy well. whoop whoop.

R.O.B? I googled this and came up with several interesting sites, one or two though were definitely not my taste. Having a gaygay day swinging to Dancing Queen is not my idea of a good time if you get my drift.

Talking of drift have you had much snow? we had about 8 inches here but it's thawing slowly now with the suggestion of more to come quite soon.

When I fell I didn't bother to look round, I could hear them laughing anyway. With friends like those who needs enemas.

The leg is heavily strapped and getting around is a feat in itself, a bit of fun at first but now a chore.

Kop this lot....
The price of crude oil dropped Friday on the news that the United States economy lost 598,000 jobs in January, raising fears that a further deepening of the recession could lead to further declines in demand for oil and oil products.
And this.....
The pound strengthened Thursday on a decision by the Bank of England’s Monetary Policy Committee to cut UK interest rates to 1 percent.
The cut, which was widely expected, took the UK rate to a record low.

In late morning trade in New York, the pound traded at 87.55p to the euro while it took $1.4669 to buy a pound and the yen traded at ¥133.6438 to the UK currency.

Meanwhile, the euro weakened after the European Central Bank announced that it will hold interest rates at 2 percent for the time being, but the shared currency made back part of its declines as the New York session progressed.

So, the pound is gaining on the dollar, the Yen is faltering, the Euro is weak against the dollar, the price of oil is falling even further, and, yes, you have already guessed it, petrol/diesel goes up, up, up and away in this god forsaken country.

Over to you..

1131 O.K it was me in 1130.
Couldn't resist it (ROB= Rip Off Britain).
Had a bad few days but on the mend again. More whiskey and warfarin.
Steve M hope you're on the mend too. Whenever I used to fall I always looked around to see who was laughing before showing any pain.
Jeremy Clarkson apologised for being right!!!
Yes pound gaining against most other currencies but.................ykw.
Cyber Pub not open last night.?

ADRIAN JOHN BELL

OK?

1129
R.O.B. Virgil. T.B. 1 Out.

Hi,

RE 1128

This government have fed us all $hit, so a bit of custard or gravy will cover the taste but not the end product.

Jeremy Clarkson has caused a bit of a stir (again) and all of what he said is true.

It's taken another PM in a country far away to spell it out and not hide behind politics and useless excuses.

But Jeremy has apologised now. If only our politicians could muster some balls and tell it as it is.

Adrian, I hope everything is OK.

Things have been tough this week at my end, a break in normal proceedings you could say.
When me and the kids went sledging on Monday a good time was being had by all, children playing, adults thinking they were kids again, one or two teenagers being a bit boisterous, the usual craap, you know.
Anyway, One young lad was absolutely flying down this quite steep part of the hillside and it was obvious he was heading for some trees without being able to stop.
Well, Steve M could see the lad was going to hit those trees and ran across, only about five yards, and tried to push the lad off the sled.
Mission accomplished, he was fine, but the sled struck my ankle and threw me off balance. I fell awkwardly and somehow broke my kneecap.
If you have ever been in pain, times it by ten. That hurt. A lot.
I was taken to hospital and have had two operations since.
Thankfully it seems good now and home is far better than ward B six.
Although I will miss one or two pretty nurses, Jane and Issy.

Anyway, back to the important stuff.

With the pound rallying against the dollar, barrels of oil staying low, plenty of offshore floating storage, petrol and diesel in abundance due to low supply, India knocking 5% off their fuel prices, I suppose it is only normal that prices in this country only show up up upwards motions.

All this talk of putting $hit on your fruit and veg,
Personally I prefer custard on my fruit and gravy on my veg, but that's just me.
I've looked at that "humanure handbook" and it's very enlightening and amusing.

Howdy
1119 The Humanure Handbook.
If you google "humanure handbook read online free" the first edition is available.
LMAO since the first paragraph, excellent.
Bandidoz, thanks.
Hope Adrian Steve Boris JR Ewing are all OK, fairly quiet of late.

**At last, someone in the public eye has the balls to stand up and say what we are all thinking**
(except the "one-eyed Scottish idiot" comment. he really should not discriminate against people with one eye.)

From the press association 06/02/2009 6:50am.
Top Gear star Jeremy Clarkson was under fire after reportedly branding Gordon Brown a "one-eyed Scottish idiot". Skip related content
The BBC presenter also accused the Prime Minster of lying, in the comments reportedly made in Australia where he is hosting Top Gear Live, a stage version of the hit TV show.

Mr Brown lost his sight in one eye during after an accident playing rugby as a teenager.

Clarkson, speaking at a press conference in Sydney, compared Mr Brown to Australian prime minister Kevin Rudd, after Mr Rudd had just addressed the country on the global financial crisis.

According to The Australian newspaper, he said: "It`s the first time I`ve ever seen a world leader admit we really are in deep s***. He genuinely looked terrified. The poor man, he`s actually seen the books.

"(In the UK) we`ve got this one-eyed Scottish idiot, he keeps telling us everything's fine and he`s saved the world and we know he`s lying, but he`s smooth at telling us."

Scots politicians reacted angrily to the remark. Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray said: "Such a comment is really a reflection on Jeremy Clarkson and speaks for itself.

"Most people here are proud that the Prime Minister is a Scot and believe him to be the right person to get the UK through this global economic crisis."

Gordon Banks, Labour MP for Ochil and South Perthshire, branded the comments "unforgivable".

The BBC and Downing Street declined to comment.

**On that bombshell.......

1121 Eating $hit filled pigs.
I like to think we have moved on a little, but not much, than our ancestors.
As you suggested, at the end of the nineteenth century sanitation improved dramatically in cities and large towns.
You reminded me of a joke about an elderly gentleman who visited his local GP.
"doctor, when I eat peas, I $hit peas"
"Hmm"
"And if I eat carrots, I $hit carrots"
"Hmm"
"What shall I do ?"
"Hmm, may I suggest you eat $hit"

@1121 -> "We had no qualms about eating a pig that had been fed this way so why should we worry about using a bit on our fruit and veg plots".

Direct application of "night soil" to vegetables is potentially very dangerous, a far safer method is to compost the humanure thermophilically (IOW at elevated temperature), the cured compost will be free of pathogens.

I reiterate, it's explained further in the "Humanure Handbook".

1122,
Would anyone care to speculate as to if our petrol and diesel prices will,
A. Rise again.
B. Drop.
C. Remain as they are.

I think: C. Maybe.
A. Probably.
B. Definitely not.

Feb. 5 (Bloomberg) -- The pound advanced against the dollar and the euro on speculation the Bank of England will slow the pace of interest-rate cuts after reducing the benchmark rate to an all- time low today.

The British currency also climbed versus the yen as policy makers lowered the rate to 1 percent. The Bank of England said the global economy is in the throes of a severe recession and that cuts in borrowing costs, fiscal measures and a weaker pound will boost the U.K. economy.

“The Bank of England is arguing this is as much as they wanted to do for now, and they want to wait and see what the effects of those significant rate cuts will be,” said James McCormick, global head of currency and local-market strategy at Citigroup Inc. in London. “Policy makers have moved things a lot already. We are probably moving into a short period of rates on hold. The pound may be reaching the bottom.”

The pound climbed 1.4 percent to $1.4663 as of 5:35 p.m. in London after rising to $1.4703, the highest level since Jan. 19. The U.K. currency strengthened 1.2 percent to 87.74 pence per euro. Against the yen, the U.K. currency jumped 3.9 percent to 134.50 yen. McCormick said he “wouldn’t be surprised” if the pound rises to $1.50 or more by the end of the month.

1119,
Hm; Up until the end of the nineteenth century when our privy's (toilets)
were still at the bottom of our garden, we used to take a dump in a hole in the ground which then "fell" through to the pig sty enclosure where the pigs would happily munch away the waste. Our pigs naturally grew quite well on this
by-product and come the time to slaughter, the pig was well fatted and the meat was plentiful all because he had enjoyed a daily feed of of human $hit.
We had no qualms about eating a pig that had been fed this way so why should we worry about using a bit on our fruit and veg plots.

@1117 - "I do not see a reason why a storage tank connected to the guttering and using a ballcock system in an upstairs cupboard could not be used to supply rainwater for flushing the toilet. If the tank falls to a low level, then drinking water would be used as usual."

I believe you have to make sure there's a 3 inch gap between the drinking water outlet and any greywater. Check out the "Newhouse Farm" forum where others have already done it.

@1114 - "It may surprise many of us to know that more people than you would have thought actually use their own excreta in their gardens as organic fertilizer."
There's a whole book on the subject - "Humanure Handbook". It's one of the best books I've ever read. It's quite funny, too.

Good Morning.
Popping back to the refinery strike action.
A real concern of both wings is the fear of driving major investors away from these shores.
On the right, the fear is of strike action reflecting an underlying feeling of resentment towards foreign workers and saving jobs for British workers.
Either due to immigration or by bringing workers from abroad.
While on the left the trend is suggesting the use of foreign workers, in this case Italian and Portuguese, is undermining trade unions and promoting cheap labour with EU countries.
The question is, is this strike action racist?
Firstly against who? secondly, by who?
Racist against Italy and Portugal? Against both countries or the few that were chosen to construct by their employers in this country?
If the racist card has to be pulled so easily as is usually the case, then perhaps someone could tell the Asian, American, Far East, Australian and other EU citizens who are also on strike (because they live here and work there!).
Either way, investment will continue to shrink unless a settlement can be reached, and soon.
Saving British jobs should mean just that, whichever side of the fence you spit over.
The other concern is the (to be announced) obvious rise in fuel prices because of the strike action.
Only in Britain folks, only in Britain.

Howdy
Can someone please decipher post 1116.
Adrian, I thought about your rainwater idea, copyright it, although it was heard here first.
As we know water clings to the side of a pipe as it passes down, so to get the paddle/s to spin, the water needs to be poured, so a simple system of a short down pipe pouring water into a hopper. It passes over and spins the paddle, through a small down pipe, into a hopper and on and on, to the bottom where some of the water could be stored for veg's etc.
Last autumn we planted an apple tree and a pear tree in the rear garden, and they will need plenty of water if we have a particularly dry summer, so we have already got a system in place where as much rain water is stored as realistically possible.
The system is basically a large underground tank, and to draw water to the surface I was thinking of using a pump powered by a solar panel.
I would be very grateful of other ideas.
Adrian also pointed out using grey waste for flushing the loo. Good idea.
I do not see a reason why a storage tank connected to the guttering and using a ballcock system in an upstairs cupboard could not be used to supply rainwater for flushing the toilet. If the tank falls to a low level, then drinking water would be used as usual.

Borein bench off fookers last speeking 21 after 7 last nite.

A very good evening to everybody and an especially warm hello to Adrian, and I sincerely hope you are feeling much better.
Particularly liked all of 1110 and never thought of utilizing rain water going through a down pipe in that way but why not? In my line of business electrical/electronics, capacitors,condensers and accumulators could be used
to make such a device. I'll give it some thought, after all they laughed at the Wright brothers when they said they could fly. I know that the dynamics of flight are quite complex but seeing as how that was achieved a simple water mill could....... well who knows?
Good to see the slanging matches have died down and to be honest I didn't want to get involved so I stayed out of it.
Adrian I've had the pleasure of passing through Port Talbot on a train to Swansea and you're not kidding about the rotten egg smell. How do they stop it getting on their washing when they hang it out to dry?

My company is currently developing a device that has the potential to save
20% or more on annual home heating costs, it's early days and some long
nights yet but the principle is sound. I know that it never pays to count you chickens and all that but if you consider that there is somewhere in the region of 66 million people in the U.K and then further assume that the average family consists of 4 people then that means there are 16.5 million homes in the U.K and if I succeed in getting this device into just 10% of that number @ about £15. a time then the gross return would be £24.75 million.
and saving energy at the same time. I'll not bore you any further with that.
Anyway some very interesting discussion has gone on and I will try and drop by again soon.

1113 Hi Andy
I know that sewage treatment plants can whiff a bit (quite a lot really) but
the septic tank I mentioned would naturally be underground and I think it wouldn't be too much of a task to create filters (carbon maybe) to help
reduce the aroma down to an acceptable level (if an acceptable level exists).
About 30 miles west of Cardiff is the giant Port Talbot steel works and should ever you drive through that area there's always a strong smell of rotten eggs (stink bombs) but the locals have got used to it, and it's
tolerable enough to outsiders who pass through.
As I said we sooner or later simply won't have the luxury of choosing what runs our motor vehicles and heats and lights our homes, and sacrifices will have to be made to accept the "lesser of all evils" and put up with an "eyesore" (wind generator) the "smell" (warm our homes/run our cars) or freeze and walk.
It may surprise many of us to know that more people than you would have thought actually use their own excreta in their gardens as organic fertilizer.
Bet you don't go around their house for cucumber sandwiches.
One common agreement that does come through these blogs is that oil will run out one day, estimates are vague to say the least and we none of us know which direction mankind will then go, some say that all the viable oil fields have already been found and exploited relentlessly, some say that there are many more yet to be found and either one, both or neither of the "house's" will be right. We are speculating idly and some maybe all of the suggestions in 1110 might one day gain credence. I don't think it will be the
last time we(mankind generally) will contemplate those suggestions but you
saw them here first.

Howdy
Very interesting phase of discussion.
A very good friend of the family works up in the West Midlands near a village called Minworth.
Minworth is a pleasant enough place, well kept, one or two very nice pubs offering a variety of menu's, a green, a river and plenty of usual village comradeship.
The only draw back is the sewer treatment plant on the outskirts of the western side of the village.
Fine in the winter but with a generous westerly wind, a hot day or two and the whole idyllic setting is thrown off balance.
Boris, I understand your friends concerns regarding the tomato pips, lucky it wasn't squirrel $hit or there would have been oak trees everywhere (or Topic's) but is he aware that all of the 'waste' collected at the plant is separated, and the sludge that is left is semi-dried and spread all over the crops we see in field, processed, passed to the shops and transferred to the diner plate.
Next time your meal is not up to scratch you really can say "that was ...
Adrian, your assumption is correct again, there is usually an amount of hunan 'waste' in bagged compost.

1111
Thanks for the civil reply Boris.
I know it's difficult to accept certain "growing media" but the compost we buy from B & Q now might well be a human waste derivative.
Perhaps in the future we may not be able to be as picky as to what we'll have to use.
I still believe that with development all of my 1110 is quite possible and in a not too far off time planners may well have to change their attitudes as to what will or will not be allowed. I don't think you were being sarcastic about maybe enough power produced would charge AA batteries but at the bottom end of the scale this would only be a trickle charge anyway and at least we'd have stretched the otherwise negative loss of energy into an albeit small positive gain. (Install and forget).
Many of the suggestions would need joined up thinking but like I said the time will come when we may simply have no other choice than to at least consider them.

1110
All good stuff. Planners seem to be the biggest obstacle for personal wind generators, NIMBYS for larger schemes.
I don't know about the technology for sewage/gas either. It sounds familiar so maybe there is already a scheme somewhere? Hydro power been around for years - maybe something in a drainpipe might recharge AA batteries?
I have a planning application in to build a new house. Currently intend to incorporate: ground source heat pump (still uses electricity, but if done efficiently seems to be effective). Rainwater harvesting. Sedum roof. Heat exchanger. Not sure about grey water recycling (would rather aim to use less as there is no mains drainage). Solar panels not ideal with a flat roof and the position is sensitive so planners probably won't like. Ditto wind generator - no chance. Will have further heating from wood stoves (plenty of trees on site and a 15 year management plan worked out). Will grow plenty of food, keep a few chickens and bees (maybe). Not aiming for the 'perfect' eco-friendly house just somewhere modern and comfortable to live that is also sustainable and has minimal negative impact on the environment. Hopefully it doesn't sound too 'Good Life'.
Your comment on the acceptance of sewage gas reminded me of a friend who bought a typical developer house new. Top soil was about 1 inch with 6 inches rubble below - usual thing. To improve it he bought a lorry load of the filter material they use at sewage plants (supposed to be top notch, organic etc). Spreads it over the whole garden and next spring he notices lots of plants starting to grow - tomato plants. He had the most fantastic crop - all sorts of different types - but just couldn't bring himself to eat any knowing that the seeds had passed through someone else's digestive system!

Boris,
It's a shame that you've thrown in the towel because the posting I'm about to do really would have lifted your heart and it will perhaps in part answer Bubbas question in 1083. Some of the following are already in use in a small way but
progression will improve them, however the final suggestion will need us to overcome quite a big social taboo but here go's:

#1. Solar panels on the roof.
These are one of the things already in use I know, but I'm talking the whole surface area of the roof (not just a phart ar$ed panel 4 by 6 feet) and current
photo voltaic technology will have to improve but it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

#2.Wind driven generators in the garden.
Again already in use in a small way and the thought of having them there in the first place glaring at us will initially put many people off but eventually
I feel they will be grudgingly be accepted.

#3.Water driven generators.
I know we don't all live by a river but in this country at least we are blessed with a fair amount of rain so why not incorporate into the roof gutter drainpipe a small paddle wheel linked up to an alternator (like the on on our cars) whereby all the rain running down the drainpipe turns the alternator
thereby charging a battery, we may only get a couple of volts at best but it's a couple more than if we just let it drain away in the first place also we could "harvest" the rainwater for central heating, flushing toilets watering the veggie plot in the garden etc etc.
Of course a room would be needed for the housing of the batteries that will be charged by these first 3 suggestions.
The next suggestion is probably the hardest to accept but maybe the best one of all.

#4.Methane gas production.
We all know that methane gas will run an internal combustion engine and we've all heard of cow dung being processed into methane gas to do just that but prepare yourselves:
Our World currently supports some 6.2 billion people and with few exceptions most living creatures eat and therefore defecate (I know I'm talking $hit) but we do and if it were possible when building new large housing estates to have a giant septic tank whereby all the waste vegetable
and fecal matter was collected we could have on site a processing plant
converting the waste into gas which could then be used to supplement
the gas supply to the estate. We would also need waste disposal units in every home.
I've really no idea how complex the conversion process would be but from the little bits of information I've managed to acquire it's not difficult or too costly, to make it prohibitive.
I'm not too sure that people are ready to accept that the Sunday roast was cooked with "phart gas"but sometime in the future we may overcome the social stigma that may be attached to this, after all the origins of the gas we use now are not that different.
Now I'm ready for ridicule at these suggestions and some will no doubt scoff at them, but I believe that they are all quite feasible, if not now maybe sometime in the not too distant future.

A final note for Boris:
I've a funny feeling that you won't instantly dismiss these suggestions out of
hand if I've read all of your postings correctly and I hope that it has shown to you that after all we really are more forward thinking than you initially gave us credit for, but I could be wrong.
If you read this I would welcome your thoughts either negative or positive.

"You guys win."
was it a contest?
" I've said all I want to."
which was?
"Bored with the silly arguments based on nothing"
oh? the ones you caused? and fail to back up?
"it's like punching a paper bag."
ooh. you little soldier, all big and strong.

Boris
Natzi???
Oh well done.
Excellent.
Check you grammer, it truly is awful.
When the goiing gets tough, Boris hides.
aka aka aka aka aka aka aka aka aka aka too many to mention.

1104 - 1106
You guys win. I've said all I want to. Bored with the silly arguments based on nothing, it's like punching a paper bag. 1106 a great example: prove your point by stating exactly where "THEY" (and also state exactly who "THEY" are) have said "the £ was strong against the dollar our petrol/diesel prices went up and now that the £ is weak against the dollar that's why our petrol/diesel prices go up." You can't and I won't even be looking back for your response. I just love the way you regulars jump as soon as you get criticised but let the Nazi get away with it (Mr Handbrake I assume).
So, carry on letting "them" rip you off - you love to be victims don't you - so much easier than working to make a success of your life isn't it?
Still, a few laughs: "Check your grammer". I'm haven't stopped wiping away the tears!
Anyway, the few posters with some brain cells (Bandidoz (Jason), Greg Brown, Bubba, Kellerman, Obsidian - even G. browne) will keep you amused I'm sure.

1105 Hi BTK hope you're well.

I'm afraid it's the same old story, when the £ was strong against the dollar our petrol/diesel prices went up and now that the £ is weak against the dollar that's why our petrol/diesel prices go up.
I know it sounds crazy but that always seems to be the excuse they give i.e pound is weak/pound is strong, either way fuel prices go up.
You are right, twisting the figures or cooking the books.
Boris however will give a long report to tell you that this isn't so and when
Boris is right he's right and when he's wrong he's right.
But I'm with you, the rats are absolutely buzzing.

Feb. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil fell to a two-week low on speculation a deepening economic contraction in the U.S., the world’s biggest energy consumer, will cause the slump in fuel demand to worsen.

Crude oil for March delivery rose 24 cents, or 0.6 percent, to settle at $41.68 a barrel at 2:46 p.m. on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Prices fell 6.5 percent in January, stretching crude’s decline to seven consecutive months, the longest on a monthly basis since Nymex trading began in 1983, according to exchange data.

Bearing this in mind, Why are fuel prices rising?

The price of a barrel has fallen for seven consecutive months.
Fuel in Britain has risen for seven consecutive weeks.

Yet some are very happy to twist figures to make themselves feel better while the other 99.9% of the population can smell a rat.

Typical:
Wales is missing out so far again on the snow front, just a little dusting down here really, still, maybe tonight.
Spent a nice afternoon with our daughter Heidi and when she just brought us home I noticed the following:
Petrol 87.9p & Diesel 98.9p
Being a non-driver I'll still look at the prices whenever I pass, old habits die hard. Got a feeling that they will rise in the next day or two.
I see that the omnipotent Boris is still posting and enjoying being wound up.
I don't like the "white supremacists" bit in 1101, was that a halfar$ed attempt at a put down Boris? because after reading 1098/99 1100 & 1102
there was a lot of truth therein and I'm not BNP by a long shot!
I might have inadvertently started this subject off, but I refuse to keep it going.
Steve M my friend you must have been busy today but maybe you'll pop in later. Andy you've been quiet since 11.35 am this morning hope all's o.k

Hi,

Some may say this blog is heading into dangerous territory.

Others will say Free Speech.

I say the diesel has gone up again in Birmingham.

And it has been snowing very heavily for about the last two hours.

At least 8cm now.

Hillsides nearby. Sledge dug from the darkest corner of the garage. See you later.

Not BNP silly.
Real stats to back up a legitimate concern.
No jobs for the British population due to high immigration means more British wages are being sent 'home'.
Hardly mastermind politics is it?
You shortsighted reply indicates a total unawareness of how 'real' concerns are on the streets of the UK.
Perhaps in your little village you still stare at people who have either different coloured skin or use a foreign tongue.
Being detached from reality is hardly an excuse for ignorance.
Why is it not one person has backed you in any discussion since your first bigoted scribble on these blogs.
Why is it several persons can only see a high and mighty self important figure who continuously bemoans his part in the real world.
Your whole arguments of "white supremacists" is just an indication of how you try to belittle a just concern by desperately attempting to escalate it into something it is not.
You damn fool.

1098 B
1099 N
1100 P

Didn't like them when they were the NF, can't stand them as the BNP.

These blogs do go off track - I don't speak for anyone else but I'm not up for conversing with White Supremacists though.