14.12.07 Protesters to fire “warning shot” to the government.

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Transaction 2007, the group behind the fuel protests taking place around the country tomorrow, have said that the protests are aiming to “fire a warning shot to the government.” David Handley, spokesperson for group, warned, “it's our intention to come back in January and let's put it like this, it won't be quite as peaceful as it's going to be tomorrow.”

He continued: “we have got contingency plans for where the next stage of this will go. I'm obviously not going to discuss that because the next element has got to be a surprise. That's the only way that you'll have the impact with government to make them realise that you mean business.”

Handley hopes the protests will show politicians how angry motorists are at rising fuel prices. Transaction 2007 blame the current tax system, whereby duty and VAT are added the price of petrol. He said: “we have not got an issue with tax if tax is totally transparent. It's got to be fair, it's got to be shown that the money that's drawn from the revenue from fuel, should be used to create a better infrastructure, better investment in transport and not used to prop up the inefficient management of the cash flow from government.”

The protests tomorrow will start at 10am at fuel refineries and depots across the country, including those in Manchester, Southampton, Liverpool, Essex, Cardiff, and Lincolnshire. Despite the threat of further, potentially more disruptive action early next year, Handley maintains that tomorrow's action will be peaceful. Transaction 2007 were involved in the fuel protests in 2000, where lorry drivers blockaded refineries, leading to nationwide fuel shortages. But Handley maintained: “we were accused last time by a lot of people who didn't want to take part of not doing it in the correct manner. This time we're doing it in the correct way. We're sending a message in a peaceful form, but if people don't address that and listen to us then 2000 is likely to happen all over again.”

Early indications from polls and comments on our blog have suggested that whilst motorists are angry at rising fuel prices, opinions are divided as to whether targeting refineries is the best method of protest. In addition, only 183 people have said they will be protesting tomorrow. It has been suggested that it would be better to send a petition to the government or protest in London, because they are responsible for the tax on fuel.

However, Stephen Joseph from the Campaign for Better Transport believes that reducing tax on fuel would be the worst thing the government could do. “It gives motorists the false sense of security that they can continue to drive around in their gas guzzlers. High tax acts as an incentive for motorists to switch to greener alternatives.” He continued, “fuel tax in the UK is not drastically higher than the rest of Europe. We are now only around 1% higher than countries such as Germany, France and the Netherlands.”

So are we paying too much in tax on our fuel in the UK? Should we ensure that all our tax gets spent on motoring? Or should we continue to tax at the current rate to encourage greener alternatives?

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In a way I do agree with all the protests, but the other side of it you are stopping the world from moving. As like all the business and self employed people who work to surport their families.
If you do what you did in 2000 then once again those families go without money to surport their families. I do agree though that the fuel price's are getting stupid now though, I'm on benefit and running a car is hard enough with all the insurance and tax and MOT, so with the fuel prices going up it get's hard for my family to get around, especially when my parent in-laws live 130 miles away from us. But surely there has got to be a better option then stopping the fuel trucks from getting out.

Posted by Paul Parris, 15th December 2007 3:51am

The Government promised in 1997 " to not increase taxes" thats all they HAVE done, in my opinion a one day boycot of purchasing petrol or Diesal throughout the country would make this country realise that WE are all being victimised by all manner of Taxes, mostly to pay for Wars that nobody wanted, the likes of Blair and Brown should be shunned by the British Public for the way they have deceived us all. They are going ahead with a new Trident Fleet at a cost of approximately 10 Billion Pounds, Nuclear Weapons...yet other countries such as Iraq and Iran are not allowed them, they need to ditch these proposals and spend that money on more needy causes ie., NHS, Schools, and decent wage rises for Police, and other public sector jobs, and stop sending aid to other countries whilst we are slowly returning to the dark ages.....i wont be voting for any political party to be ruled by brussells.

Posted by Ray Harrison, 15th December 2007 3:53am

The problem with taxing fuel to drive people off the roads is that it simply doesn't work. There are no viable alternatives to a car for the majority of drivers. It' simply another cost that we have to bear, because we are forced to by government.
There should be cheap and efficient public transport provided,as an alternative at a subsidised cost, but all the time fuel tax is used merely as another means of raising money, instead of being spent on roads and transport , people will have to use their cars to get where they want when they want.

Posted by Rob Edmunds, 15th December 2007 3:55am

No matter what we the electorate want, the politicians do whatever they like. Left wing or right wing they are ALL the same, pigs in the trough! Almost all modern day politicians are PROFESSIONAL politicians, David Milliband for example is a senior minister having NEVER had a proper job.
Listen to him talk (usually AT the interviewer) and one can immediately ascertain that he has no idea of what REAL life is about and moreover could not care less about REAL people. The entire government is of the same ilk and don't worry, if Mister Brown and his cronies are voted out of power you will simply get more of the same from the Conservative party or the Liberal party, who ever gets into power. How can they justify continually piling taxes upon taxes upon taxes upon taxes on the ordinary working man and woman? Simple ! They couldn't care less and they know there is absolutely nothing we can do about it because THEY control the cops, the military and the secret services whilst we the citizens have been stripped of any right to bear arms, even to defend ourselves, our families or our property, let alone to fight the corruption of Downing Street! We have become serfs of the 21st century - get used to it since it is not going to change!

Posted by Stuart Hewlett-clarke, 15th December 2007 3:56am

Screw those who said we didnt approach it right! They listened didnt they? Bring on a repeat of 200, let rage waragainst the government! Lets have another more intense fuel shortage, block the entrances of suppliers and also, this time, have mobs of people at every petrol station criticising anyone who withdraws petrol - how long before they do this again? Lets have another 5mph trail down the A1 - let the peolpe speak... they dont listen to anything that doesnt have an impact! Lets show them what the people can do... lets prove to them that they cant have their own way all the time, lets show them who they are there to represent, an that is us, the people of the united kingdom - united, once again we are united against the machine that dictates our existence in this extortionate country. WE WILL NOT GIVE IN EASILY, WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED, WE WILL BREAK THE ECONOMY THEY PROFIT OF US TO UPHOLD.... WE-WILL-BE-HEARD-ONCE-AGAIN AND NOT IGNORED, THIS IS THE TIME TO STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.

Posted by Mark Pearson, 15th December 2007 3:57am

The best idea to reduce fuel prices came from an email shot telling people to boycott one distributer at all their branches nationwide. Which will force them to drop thier prices or loose VAST amounts of money and consiquently pressure the government into bailing them out by not monoplizeing outragous tax rates. Someone needs to financially back this idea and make it a real national campaign (TV?). 60p/litre is a fair price. NOT THE CURRENT £112.09p/l

Posted by Ian Sagar, 15th December 2007 3:59am

James Goldsmith has the right idea "It's time to storm the battlements and stop pussyfooting around using the I'm a nice guy approach" I think we have all had enough, the global warming is a red herring, we are taxes to the hilt because of the EU,
I've said it before and I will say it again, all the 10 new countries that have just joined are poverty stricken and it is going to cost billions to bring them and their entire infrastructure up to our standards.
They have all come to the table with their hands held out, but putting nothing into the pot just taking out.
Hence we are paying billions into the EU black hole and that's why the government are taxing us everyway they can, cars including road fund licence, fuel tax, Mot fees, parking fines, speeding fines.
Rubbish collection cut to once a fortnight and fines if you don't comply,
Council tax,
Think of the good old days when we had Dental care FREE, Eye testing FREE, Prescriptions FREE, our taxes have gone up and up but we have lost all these services.

WHY ARE WE STILL PUTTING UP WITH THIS, as James said It's time to storm the battlements!!!.

Posted by Rw, 15th December 2007 3:59am

The way to demonstrate to Mister Brown and cronies is to blockade every motorway in the country. Simple to achieve, just have a dozen vehicles spread out across 3 lanes and the hard shoulder, 3 or 4 vehicles deep. There are simply not enough cops on duty anywhere in the UK to fix that, and it could be made a "rolling blockade" is so much as once the cops identified a "blockade" it would disperse and regroup using cell phones!
Massive civil disobedience is probably the ONLY thing that would shake Mister Brown.

Posted by Stuart Hewlett-clarke, 15th December 2007 4:03am

..Just had a brain wave... yes it hurt.

..Why doesn't everyone who CAN use public transport to get to work, no matter how much hassle, time, and money etc it is go to work via it for a few weeks or longer, then the government will see how bad ly suited it is when people are not getting to work for ages because the capacity is not there etc.

Then maybe they will realise we don't choose cars to travel, commen sense does!!....although I know that is a taboo nowadays.

Posted by Marc Hone, 15th December 2007 4:04am

Civil disobedience on a grand scale is what is needed. Anyone interested in this just send me mail to mercenaryali at yahoo dot com :-)
Oh God! How I want to send ALL politicians packing in the direction of Brussels and leave them all there! We want OUT country back and that includes DEPORTING ALL ILLEGALS !!

Posted by Stuart Hewlett-clarke, 15th December 2007 4:07am

It's NOT just fuel, It's everything !! and ALL politicians are the same so even if you vote them out the next lot are just the same. What it comes down to is the buerocrats who NEVER change running this country !!
If we do not do something soon to halt all this then we deserve what comes next, and be sure THERE IS MORE TO COME !!!!

Posted by Lee Jarvis, 15th December 2007 4:09am

As above mentioned europe is cheaper and dont have the road tax as it is all rolled into the price of the fuel ! the more miles you do the more fuel you use the more tax you have paid for this! but with this in mind all this money the Goverment is taking from the fuel prices and still all our roads sit in a terrible state compared to most other european countries, and they manage to do it from the tax earned from the fuel that is bought for the more miles you do etc.... WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE !!!!!!!!!!! where's the money going that the u.k. goverment get ????

Posted by Kris, 15th December 2007 4:16am

I don't buy my fuel from the big companies i use the supermarkets. If all motorists did this it would cause i price war and drive down the price at the pump. If every motorist took their car of the road for one month when their road tax was due and used a sorn for that month it would cost the government a huge amount in lost revenue. These things are peaceful and legal and if we all stuck together and did it it would have a huge impact without causing a fuel shortage and misery to other drivers.

Posted by Tracey Doe, 15th December 2007 4:16am

I think the time has come for a bloodless revolution. ALL politicians hold the view that they are the only ones who know better than us of what we need. The answer s in the hands of every voter in the land. At the next Local or Parliamentary Election, think before you vote.
Do NOT vote for any candidate who is currently either a Counsellor or an M.P.! In other words kick the bloody lot out out and start again. If the new ones do not listen to the majority of the people who put them in - repeat the action at the next election. Let them know they are there to represent you NOT THE PARTY.

Posted by Eric Hartup, 15th December 2007 4:34am

I am a disabled driver and i am finding it very expecive to just do our normal things like shop, trips to hospital.
At the moment we only use the car for urgent trips like the hospital as we can't afford to use the car for shopping.
This makes me feel like a prisoner in my own home, i am wheelchair bound and need the car to get arround but the government are making this harder and more expencive due to the amount of tax they have put on fuel prices. keep it up fellas your doing a good job, i just wish there was some way i could help you out.
GIVE US A BREAK AND CUT YOUR TAX NOT OUR THROATS

Posted by Rick Moore, 15th December 2007 4:43am

If protesting at the gates of any fuel storage depot is stopped by the police using the powers introduced after last times protests move onto motorway/bypass/rail bridges that the fuel tankers have to take. Thats what really stopped movement last-time the fear of something being dropped, dont anyone drop anything, its not us drivers who are to blame, we work for a haulier just like you, but I know the fact of carring 38000litres of fuel and having a possible volitile group above is enough to make me u turn and return to depot aborting delivery

Posted by Seanieb, 15th December 2007 4:44am

Protests should be aimed at car manufactuers, who should with the current technology be able to produce cars that do not rely on petrol/deisel. We should all be trying to find ways of cutting our carbon emissions, rather than moaning about the price of fuel. Also there is an illegal consortium of oil producing counttries, that are holding the world to ransom. Try campaigning against these. Its called a cartel and is totally illegal.

Posted by Robert Salter, 15th December 2007 4:45am

This goverment goes on about inflation and the harm it can do, higher fuel prices push up all prices and so inflation.
It's about time to stop putting tax on tax when it comes to fuel prices.

Posted by Graham A Brown, 15th December 2007 4:52am

I sure wish people were as passionate about population control, rampant consumerism and the environment as they were about how expensive (or not, as the case may be) the dino-juice is they pump into their automobiles.

A one day protest that doesn't blockade refineries? Yeah, I bet the government is quaking in its boots. The fact that no one else I know in real-life even knows of this strike is telling enough. I only know people similarly interested in the topic on-line who actually heard of this whole situation.

Posted by Nick Edwards, 15th December 2007 5:04am

Philip posted a response that fuel is cheaper than bottled water or wine ...of course he didn't take into account that those are voluntary purchases - fuel is a requirement to function in this society - most who are in work are effectively required fill their petrol tanks several times a month - that is what makes the tax burden so insidious - it is to most an unavoidable tax.

As far as the arguments from others who ask where would the shortfall be made up from should fuel tax be reduced --- it need not be 'made up' from anywhere ... this is a wastful and inefficient government - who spends beyond it's means - they advise us to be prudent - while they spend freely - knowing they can demand that we pay for their errors in judgement. We should be able to expect that the government shows that they are servants of the people - rather than the reverse - by living within their means.

Posted by Mark, 15th December 2007 5:13am

If you really want to be effective then you need to abort the purchase of fuels at certain garages. For example, as many people as possible abort buying from BP and Esso and concentrate on Asda, Tesco, Morrisons. Garages require a constant turnover of fuel through their pumps and a backlog of fuel not being bought and left in the tanks doesn't do them any good.

As many people as possible reading this do not buy at Esso or BP. I'm sure the drop in profits and turnover might start a reaction.

Posted by Allan J Macdonald, 15th December 2007 5:14am

To suggest that we in the U.K pay only around 1% more for our fuel than in France or the Netherlands is ludicrous, I was in France recently and filled my fuel tank from empty to the tune of £38.70 this included a charge for using my credit card overseas, I filled the same tank from empty today costing £56.00 in Staffordshire, where does the 1% figure come from?.
I understand the need for taxation on fuel but why so much and why isn't the government doing anything about speculation on future fuel prices forcing fuel prices higher and higher when production costs remain static the major oil companies are raking it in announcing huge profits having done little to earn them.

Posted by Karl Wood, 15th December 2007 5:23am

If the protesters want to protest then STAND FOR ELECTION, I did not vote for them, Yes fuel is a major cost for me as a taxi driver but like others I need to work to pay my bills, No fuel = No work. I notice these so called farmers only protest in december when they are quiet. Instead of this publicity seeking why dont they concentrate on running the farming business. Agricultural diesel is, after all, taxed at a lower rate.

Posted by Martin Denny, 15th December 2007 5:24am

Call it what you like, either VAT or 'fuel tax', but it amounts to the same thing - a 'milch cow' for what ever goverment . They could, and should, modify tax at levels of high oil price rises...but they never do...like air fares...but they don't..I thought jet fuel prices were linked to the $...at the minute it's more than $2 to the £...anyone seen any cheap trans Atlantic air fares ? It's the same old story - milk us all wite !

Posted by Peter Galloway, 15th December 2007 5:36am

What irritates me is the small regional differentials in the price at the pumps. For example the price at the pumps in Ipswich is 4p to 5p a litre cheaper than Bury St Edmunds. I am convinced that there is an informal pricing ring here in Bury St. Edmunds and that includes Sainsbury's and Tesco's. If Asda in Ipswich can sell unleaded currently at 99.9p why on earth can't Sainsbury's and Tesco's 30 miles further west on the A14 to do it. Something smells of unfair business practice.I went to the local newspaper with this several years ago and the local paper reported the comment from the Petrol Retailers Association about the extra cost of transporting fuel. Hogwash! They don't do it on food so it should not apply to petrol and diesel.

Posted by Bob Huddlestone, 15th December 2007 5:43am

We took our diesel car on holiday to Spain this year and diesel there was about 70p a litre. Their sources of supply are no different from ours, [ I bought at a BP garage] the difference can only be tax.
I live in a rural area where public transport is useless. It is a two mile walk to a station and one mile to a bus stop.
There is no alternative to having a car unless you live in a city.

Posted by David Carter, 15th December 2007 5:55am

I'm a self employed (you know get off your a..e and find work type person) drive a VW LT 35 LWB Van cost per mile in Nov 2002 when I started was 11.5 pence per mile, that's simply how much it cost in fuel only, today it's' 16.04 pence per mile. So what is the net effect of the extra 4.54 pence per mile cost? Well working on an average rate charged to my customers of 50p per travelled mile, then that represents a 9.09% increase in my cost just to drive! My fuel spend is approximately £800-1000 per month out of the 45.46 p per mile left, I have to pay my road tax, van insurance, goods in transit insurance, public liability insurance, (these have all gone up) put money aside to pay tax, vat, maintainance and service costs, put money aside to replace my van, tyres etc etc, Oh and something to live on and pay my mortgage. Do I support the fuel protester's YOUR DAMN RIGHT I DO, If it all kicks off in the new year i'll be one of the first to suffer once my tanks empty, because if the wheel's aint turning i aint earning! fact! nothing no income! zilch! no ones going to pay me anything, SO THINK ON THAT YOU STUPID IDIOTS WHO DONT BELIEVE THIS GOVERNMENT IS RAPING MOTORIST RIGHT LEFT AND BLOODY CENTRE, There is NO viable alternative to using vans LGV and HGV's, the rail network was crucified in 1966 under the Beeching plan, rail travel is dearer than flying, it's also cramped, late or does'nt turn up, try getting buses in rural areas, it's light trying to find rocking horse s..t! More speed camera's, crippling parking fines (try delivering into Regent Street or most city areas and see how long it takes before you get a ticket) And every day i'm held up because of lack of investment in the roads infrastructure. If the government dont listen to the people, THEN GET RID OF THEM!

Posted by Dennis Smith, 15th December 2007 6:02am

There is no chance of getting the tax on fuel reduced, it is all sewn up by the government. When fuel goes up because of the world oil price it goes up more because of VAT. We are being taxed on the increase, a double whammy.

No the government need the money from us because of the waste within it. They have squandered billions on computer schemes that don't work properly and Geoffrey Robinson is still amazed at the waste in the NHS.
The £30 million that they are saving by not backdating the Police pay award will only run the NHS for 3 hours.

No the motorist is an easy touch and nothing will change until we get a change of government and even then don't hold your breath.

Posted by Peter Collins, 15th December 2007 6:14am

Keep the economy moving, decrease the tax, but spend the revenue on development of sustainable alternatives instead of grants to iraq and propping up failing banks.

What is so difficult for you hypocrite green types to understand?

The government have been incompetent with 'our' money, money that should be being spent on climate change initiatives and all you greenies can see is a carrier bag in the surf thrown out of the window of an SUV.

If you want to tax a 42" plasma tele thats fine, but leave the fuel alone. Buying a plasma tele doesn't increase the price of carrots in the super market, I was content not being able to afford a plasma tele, but I'm getting nervous that I can't afford carrots now either.

Get over it greenies and get a grip, without an economy to drive it, there is no future, green or otherwise.

Posted by Management Anger, 15th December 2007 6:20am

I've had enough of driving.
Its no fun any more.
Good luck to all the protestors, even if the action messes up my day, I am still on your side.
The protests in 2000 were awesome, another few hours and there would have been anarchy.
Nearly made it, peace and love.

Posted by Drew Peacock, 15th December 2007 6:21am

I think there are several issues here. 1. Tax - we get taxed on everything but where, exactly, does the money go? Not back to where it should i.e. road infrastructure etc etc. The state of the roads around here is not good, not as bad as elsewhere mind you but bad enough that I have to have tyres balanced & aligned every 3 - 4 months because of potholes etc

2. Go green?! I am as green as I can get BUT I don't have the money to go out & buy a hybrid car (which is what I would love to do) so I so the next best thing - I drive so that i use as little deisel as I can. Everyone talks about Green & going green but as long as we're ruled by a market economy going as green as possible for health & environment just won't happen unless a person has oddles of money (which most of us don't). But in a rural location without good public transport how am I to do personal things like visit my parents in hospital???? I'd love to be able to buy a horse & just ride around instead of drive but that also is a pipedream.

3. Profits of oil companies. Let's face it, they make billions of £ or $ because of jittery speculators sitting in comfy air-conditioned offices in London, New York & other big cities. Sod the little guy, as long as the company is making billions......

Posted by Debbie Bott, 15th December 2007 6:27am

I don't even have a car, I get my shopping delivered.

But I support this protest, in the last month or so, I've see the price of the 3ltr bottles of milk I buy rise form 1.49 to 1.98.

It's all very well people complaining about climate change, but where I'm standing, this government would rather do as little as possible on climate change and continue to rake in the taxes while building houses to support a rapidly rising population that this country simply can't support.

Have we forgotten water shortages, the inadequacy of the national grid, reduction in trained police officers, this whole country is totally out of balance and those climate change fanatics and do gooders should really calm down a bit and have a think about what they're doing to the person who's trying to feed her children on a limited budget today, before you get all high and mighty over ill thought out taxation!

If you're so concerned about Global warming, turn your computer off and go protest about cows farting, or tree's being cut down, both have a higher carbon foot print that transport.

Get a reality check, people are struggling here!

Posted by Shirley Bridges, 15th December 2007 6:32am

If all the fuel tax revenue went on improving what has to be the worst public transport in Europe then it would not seem quite so ridiculous. However we know this is not the case so I am fully in support of the action taken.

Posted by David Atkin, 15th December 2007 6:34am

I run my car on cooking oil at 70p per litre, stuff the government!

Posted by Fred, 15th December 2007 6:36am

I believe this government is going about this the wrong way, what they need to do is reduce the price of fuel drastically and charge an appropriate road tax depending on the size of the vehicle. Then they will be able to reclaim the money lost from fuel by charging say a £1000 road tax for premium sports cars etc, people that can afford to buy them can afford to pay more tax, these types of vehicle use more fuel and are not environmentally friendly and they can alslo impose a levy for the carbon footprint used by the vehicle to offset environmental damage. Therefore, people who buy efficient cars are not penalised and left toi subsidize fat cats who can well afford it. Companies do get their VAT back so their argument that they have to put their prices up is absolute nonsense, they are just as much thiefs as the government is!!!!

Posted by Kirsteen Maxwell, 15th December 2007 6:37am

I don't see where all the fuel prices are coming from.

Who gets the oil out of the ground?
Who refines it?
That's right - the same companies that sell it to us on the forecourt.
are they seriously expecting us to believe that the cost of getting it out of the ground and refining it varies so radically?
Just because they could get more for it on the world spot market is irrelevant - any business that doesn't arrange a long-term supply contract with it's own parent & the supplier of it's main product is not being run in accordance with basic management skills, and is set up purely to be held to ransom by other businesses, and perpetuate the cartel that is OPEC.

Government is supposed to be by, and for the benefit of, the people (this is after all supposed to be a democracy), so why is Gordon Brown not prepared to bow to the wishes of his bosses - US, and force petro companies to adopt proper business practices, and ringfence fuel duty for transport spending?

Business contributions to political parties should be banned, as their only purpose is to undermine the democracy of this country (or indeed, any other in which they take place) by limiting the options available to the electorate.

Posted by Phil Lee, 15th December 2007 6:38am

Petrol ,Diesel, dont scrap tax on Fuel altogether ,put 10 pence more per litre scrap ROAD TAX this would be more fair ,those people that can afford to use there gas gusslers would be paying more, plus those wishing to dodge the road tax cant,
we would save money by not trying to catch the tax dodgers???

Posted by Chas Brown, 15th December 2007 6:42am

its not just the people that own cars that have to pay extra ... did any body notice the rise in bread and milk last month .. why ? .. cos petrol is rising , even if you havent got a car you are paying for it.
is our pay rising with the inflation of petrol to get us to work ? no.
we are being tax twiced compared to other counrtys...
in 2003 the price per liter was £0.79 so in 4 years the cost has rose to £1.07,
making that a huge 28p rise. has our pay rose that much in 4 years.
you dont hear of the rich moaning about this so much ... wheres robin hood gone the rich js get richer and the poor are gettin poor. the rich are drivin big cars and the poor are now walkin to work.

Posted by Zacco, 15th December 2007 6:42am

To fill my van now is About £120:00, like everyone else, if I put up my prices to help pay for it, I would not get any more work!!! I know for a fact the goverment HAVE to get the taxes from somewhere, but if they stop wasting it (and we are probably talking about 80%) we would not need to pay so much tax. Stop the quango commitees, network rail and the way we pay for our roads is unbeliveable. A kid at primery school could spend our money far more satisfactory. It might help to get rid of some of the civil servants !!!!

Posted by Michael Pickthall, 15th December 2007 6:44am

This government seems intent on running our country into the ground but that doesn't matter to them they will be out at the next election taking with them their inflation proof pensions and their country pile, and you know what we will let them, what we need is government is a government who sticks to the promises they were elected for and not change their minds when they see the wads of cash they can claim

Posted by Jo-an Stringer, 15th December 2007 6:45am

My biggest gripe is that we are paying VAT not only on the fuel but also on the Fuel Tax - literally A TAX ON A TAX!! It would greatly ease the impact of high fuel prices on the ordinary motorist, particularly those who are unable to reclaim VAT, if we only paid VAT on the fuel.

Secondly, if diesel is cheaper to produce, why is it more expensive at the pumps. Another rip-off?

Posted by Gordon Clack, 15th December 2007 6:50am

I run a diesel 3 years ago i used bio diesel which was cheaper all of a sudden bio went up past ordinary diesel because of the tax , most diesels will run on bio ( cleaner for the envo) reduce bio prices for those who use it.

Posted by Chas Brown, 15th December 2007 6:51am

its a disgrace that we pay double fuel prices than usa, why do we export our own fuel to europe, richest country in world, what a joke, we are working to pay big wages to this government and the royal family, camilla spends more on her hair a month than most of us paupers get in a year, 3 thousand a month on her hair, save the planet charlie and shave her head, 36 grand a year for her hair, its a lot fuel for us.

Posted by Charles Tobin, 15th December 2007 6:52am

enough, enough, isnt there somewhere out there another guy fawkes, but do the job right this time, it might make the next lot that got in think twice about ripping off the people of britian.

Posted by Rick Petch, 15th December 2007 6:57am

The high tax on fuel is nothing to do with green issues. It is simply a revenue earning device to pay for all the quangos and other massive non-beneficial expenditure in which this profligate government indulges itself.

Posted by Bob Cowell, 15th December 2007 6:59am

"The rest of Europe is cheaper than us and they dont pay road tax as it's tagged on and included in the price they pay for there fuel so if we pay the current going rate then why cant the GOV scrap the road tax?????
So what you use is what you pay for. need i say any more!!!! "

Nicely put Mal, I couldn't agree more. I would, however, point out to those who keep moaning about "gas-guzzlers" that it's NOT about mpg, it's about ppg (Price per Gallon).

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Posted by Alistair, 15th December 2007 7:00am

I am a pensioner living in a very rural location but won't bore you with the difficult transport arrangements we have, I drive a very old car so can not afford to go to some out of the way location to protest but I wish you all the best with your efforts on my behalf. I do think maybe a more central protest like the hunting lobby used could be easier and more effective in terms of publicity, everyone on that march seemed to go by train or coach and they did make the streets of London shake. I also think hitting the petrol stations could work if we hit a different supplier every week, if every one felt the effects of being boycotted maybe they would pressure the government. I personally would have to travel a little more instead of going to my nearest supplier but would be willing to do that and if this protest needs to go further in the new year then I will have to beg, borrow or steal to be with you chaps on the next protest. All the best today.

Posted by Pauline Rushin, 15th December 2007 7:02am

If this ludicrous tax was spent where it should, i.e on the roads, we wouldn't be in the mess of gridlock every morning and evening whilst trying to travel anywhere.
Gordon Brown is extremely arrogant man who decides to take us into Europe without a referendum, so what chance has a petition got of making him think wisely?
Get the blockades and hit them where it hurts! Yes, it will affect us all, but for the latter good I feel, and any of us who feels they will be affected, buy some drums and stock up!
There's no point in whining if you have no petrol, you have the warning, now do something about it, as this is long term strategy and good luck to the men for making a stand for each and every one of us!
Sue

Posted by Sue Luckham, 15th December 2007 7:06am

Good luck on the day. The time has come to take notice.

Posted by John Slee, 15th December 2007 7:06am

We get taxed on our wages, we buy a car and get taxed, pay for insurance and get taxed, wew pay road tax and when filling with fuel most of the price is tax....How can all of this possibly be legal.
I'm right behind the protest go for it lads

Posted by Jamie Sullivan, 15th December 2007 7:07am

If the Government and MP's stopped having ridiculous pay increases and the Westminster Parliament was cut down to size, in light of the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh assembly, then they may not need to tax fuel so heavily. Has anyone noticed the advantages from North Sea Oil Revenues? The Government squanders money like there is no tomorrow. If Government is so concerned about the effect on the environment, then introduce a law that only two cars can be registered at a property, not increase fuel tax, that pushes up food and other commodity prices. Regrettably peaceful potest will get no where with this Government.

Posted by Phil Smith, 15th December 2007 7:11am

It's about time the motorist stood up and showed the goverment that we are NOT an easy target for extra revenue,and as far as Stephen joseph is concerned well I dont think you will show my dislike for this *****.When my wife was allocated a disabled car we actualy took his advice on matters about green cars.We didnt have to pay a deposit or monthly charge for the car but we chose to go with a diesal car that can do nearly 80MPG, we pay extra for driving green ok, but now we are being penalised for it.And on top of that Stephen Joseph is now throwing insults at us. If he bothered to check he would find because of the cost of fuel a great % of motorists are buying green.We had to wait 4 months for our new car because of the que to get hold of one.I think that says it all.Heres a funny thing though , every time you see film on TV of a goverment minister leaving No10 he/she is always being driven in a Jag or the like.VERY GREEN. Goverment lead by example. As far as the transport industry is concerned you have my support 101%.All that the high fuel on transport is costing is higher prices in the shops and Higher tax paid to the goverment. Hey guys there in power and they have got to keep the unwashed working class masses under control some how. Thats why the comments on driving gas guzzlers doesnt concern or mean them after all were all paying for that out of our tax. LABOUR GOVERMENT OUT and a new goverment that can work for the betterment of the country (not there retirement fund) so I suggest a coalition goverment were they would be forced to work for the country not themselves.

Posted by Steve Matthews, 15th December 2007 7:12am

I work in the driver training sector, I wonder how we are expected to
survive, give a fair service for the charges we make, when as a whole we are
being priced of the road?

Posted by Terence Crocombe, 15th December 2007 7:13am

same old storey tax to waste. and the public going to pay while the goverment blow it.

Posted by Colin F Jump, 15th December 2007 7:14am

hi this has taken a long time to happen , governmemts over the years have beem allowed to get away with this stile of rule and nothing happened !
take a look at the poor smoker if they buy a pack of 20 cigs 17 of them go the gov in taxes if you go and buy 20 ltrs petrol 16 of them go to the pov in taxes how meany decades have they been doing this to the working man and been told it's for yours own good and the countrys

sorry that's all rubbish we nead to stand up and be counted
US-$3.00 a gallon/UK £4.75 a gallon MMMMMMMMMMM why

Posted by A W George, 15th December 2007 7:16am

yes we are paying too much for fuel, especially diesel which is a by product of petrol, why does that cost more than petrol?? No wonder drivers of older diesels are using veg oil Target the refineries but do so after Xmas. Gordon Vrown will simply ignore petitions and they like. they are a waste of time

Posted by Marc Cowler, 15th December 2007 7:20am

Some good things and bad things are coming out of this. The good things are hopefully fuel will go down as it did last time, the bad things are i'm a sole trader courier and if I can't deliver my parcels which are at the moment all christmas presents then my business will go down the pan! Surely theres another way with causing this much distruption! Business who drive need fuel no matter what or they go out of business!

Posted by Natasha Bryant, 15th December 2007 7:20am

The price per barrel is going down, the pound is high against the dollar BUT the price of petrol is rising, something seems to be wrong there! Bring that cost down and the tax will follow.

Posted by Brian Gedge, 15th December 2007 7:23am

There seems to have been a lot of noise made lately about banks, credit card company's e.t.c. making too much profit from there charges.
What about the exstortionate profit the government is making by stealing from us all, shorely there is legislation in place to stop this robbery.

I think it's time we remind them, WE PAY THERE WAGES THEY DONT PAY OURS. THEY CAN JUST AS EASILY BE DE-SELECTED AND ANY MP WHO IS NOT SEEN TO BE SUPPORTING OUR CAUSE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL WILL NOT BE VOTED FOR AGAIN AT THE COMING ELECTIONS OR BE-OND

Posted by Tony Skint, 15th December 2007 7:25am

we have not mentioned commodity dealers who cause some of the problems by buying futures and make a profit and rarely a loss on their trade.
why do M.P,s get freetravel I GB HAD YO COMMUTE BY PUBLIC TRANSPORT AND PAY FOR HIS OWN CAR THEN TAXES WOULD FALL.
When you promote a number 2 above his leval of competance then you suffer the consequences eg higher taxes and total shambles of a so called goverment,not to mention the billions sent overseas in so called aid which does little for people on the ground but a lot for the rulers of those countries
France our nearest neighbour has abolished road tax and manages to keep fuel prices within limits if it did not the public would soon remind it who pays their wages nrhe balot box is a useful wepon but since only about one in three if the great british public can be bothered to vote then no goverment is going to listern
To miss quote PROTEST,PROTEST,PROTEST MAY BE NOT A GOOD IDEA IN VIEW OF THE LEVAL OF EDUCATION

Posted by Christopher Stiles, 15th December 2007 7:26am

I agree with Gerald Lambourne that signing petitions is pretty much useless - we only elected these people - why should they listen to us, and usually if they do reply - you can't understand the answer! It's time we took a stand, not all car drivers drive 'gas guzzlers', I don't, and in this day and age only drug dealers and footballers can afford to. As for the tax issue, maybe if the Government sorted out the NHS so it wasn't such a financial 'black hole', and stopped wasting money on stupid schemes like ill fated 'Millenium Dome' there could be no need for the duty!

Posted by John Karwacki, 15th December 2007 7:27am

I think Willem Smith needs a big dose of reality.I lived and worked in Hannover (in the army) for 7 years 1. they have no road tax and 2. petrol and diesal is greatly cheaper over in europe. In Germany The German Goverment take just 17p(equiv) per litre. As far as increasing road and fuel tax, ARE YOU REAL BUDDY.My wife is very disabled ,I am very disabled,(badly injured seving my country) and now im told the only way we can get out into society in our 80+ mpg car, some clever individual wants to increase duties even more. Have you escaped from the local lunatic asylum Mr Smith because your comments seem very unstable to me. As far as Fuel price protests are concerned My wife and I support them 101% and we think you should book your self back in before your missed mate.
Or maybe your comments are just said as a way to FIRE every body up so the GOVERMENT has ammunition to say "look at all those nutters making stupid comments" so they can dismiss our comments as usual.
MR SMITH TAKE A SEDATIVE AND THEN GO AWAY.

Posted by Steve Matthews, 15th December 2007 7:32am

Go to it lads, I am nearly eighty Or I would be on the front line with you. All the comments about a mere 1% difference in duty rates does not add up. Most countries close to our rates of duty pay no road tax, and most have never heard of VAT on fuel. Also as oil is priced in dollars, at the current exchange rates, petrol should be at record lows. Oil companies should be investigated as to their profit figures, and a viable but fixed profits margin should be awarded as there is no doubt that they are profiteering at our expense.

Posted by N.j. Hillier, 15th December 2007 7:32am

If only there was someone in government with a backbone! Revenue could easily be raised without hammering the poor motorist We need to pull out of EEC thereby saving God knows how much in monies paid to support poorer countries, Make all those not holding a British passport pay, either by insurance or privately for medical attention. Stop paying sickness benefits to those not entitled, block the borders, (immigrants cost this country a kings ransom) and bring back capital punishment. This country would be the richer for all these changes and fuel prices would not be the issue it is now,
As for the Global warming arguement, prior to man the Earth was covered with active volcanos spewing forth toxic fumes. so do I believe Global warming is a good reason to increase Fuel prices? Of course not! The government needs to wake up and soon, we are not the blind idiots they believe us to be. Its time for a revolution maybe then they will take notice!

Posted by Sharon Genge, 15th December 2007 7:36am

What is Ken Gregory on??? Fuel is cheaper now than in 1995, how can he say that. I'm self employed in the construction industry as subcontractor. My rates have not increased since 1999, and yet the cost of diesel to transport me and my tools to and from places of work, have increased from about £40.00 a week to £80.00. Thats doubled Ken, God knows how much more haulage companies' bills have increased.

You must live in a very happy place Ken, where you are only too obviously protected from the real world.

Posted by Stephen Russell, 15th December 2007 7:36am

Yet another miserable attempt by this inadequate government to milk the population in order to part fund two wars in areas that are of no concern to us.
Get them out as soon as we can.

Posted by Keith Armstrong, 15th December 2007 7:38am

Transaction 2007 are a group that are "working for the road haulage industry" they are only concerned that their members are paying more for their fuel, they aren't concerned with the plight of the average motorist, mind you they are cynical enough to exploit the sense of outrage at high fuel prices. As with the last protests in 2000 they will cause the maximum disruption as they can to everyone and then slink away when they get what they want from the government without giving a second though to the likes of you and me.

Think very carefully before giving your support to Dave Handley and Transaction 2007 as they are only interested in their members and not you the motorist who ends up paying for any concessions they get from the government.

Posted by Peter Chrismas, 15th December 2007 7:39am

All motoring tax in the UK is excessive. Here in Spain I pay £37.50 road tax for a 1.6 liter car. 75 pence for a liter of unleaded. The roads are very good indeed. Some urgent action is needed, legal or otherwise.

Posted by Clive Lilley, 15th December 2007 7:40am

Cut the tax and increase Road Fund Licence that way the more you use the more you pay but more importantly the less you use the less you pay. Incentives to use less have to be financial and if we are to "save the planet" and force car manufacturers to delovelop more efficient engines its the only way. Cars are not going to go away and therefore it make sense to manufacture the most efficient engine possible. This crazy idea that you can increase duty/tax and stop us all using fuel is just not working and all it does is generate more and more income for the revenue which almost none of gets re-invested in the transport infrastructure. We should have the best road and rail network in the world with the amount we pay at the moment. Good luck to all those involved in protesting. Merry Christmas

Posted by Chris Mitchell, 15th December 2007 7:41am

I see several posts here complaining about 'socialism'. The truth[BBC News website,14/12/07] is that the last Conservative government put up fuel prices over 120% due to the 'escalator' tax increases. This government has put up taxes just 25% on fuel,although they must be benefiting now additionally from increased pro rata VAT and fuel tax.

What has happened is that the cost of oil has risen threefold,due to speculators, huge increases in demand from India and China,and some short term problems with supply.

Has anyone worked out what the real price of fuel in the UK at the pumps would be if the governments tax take was the same as,say,5 years back? Thats what this campaign should be about.

Sadly, taxes have to be paid.Cut fuel duty and it has to come from somewhere else.Where would your posters suggest it might come from?I do not think turning it into a party political issue helps much,however much some of the posters here hate the Labour government.

Posted by Lee Brown, 15th December 2007 7:43am

We are being robbed blind on duty. One just has to go to the U.S for example to see the vast difference in fuel prices. Its exactly the same stuff that comes out of the pumps there, the only difference being that its about quarter of the price it is here. Its all about being ripped off by he UK treasury and its about time it was brought under control

Posted by R. Thomson, 15th December 2007 7:43am

Stephen Joseph (under Campaign For Better Transport) states that lowering tax would be terrible and would discourage people from finding greener alternatives etc. Now,putting aside that there are many of us who don't have the option of public transport as an alternative (and there was me thinking that all this extra tax was paying for a better and wider public transport infrastructure?), there is also a clear indication that the government don't really want us to dump our cars! Just look how they recently nodded through inflation busting fare increases for the train companies? So,just when those who are fortunate enough to have access to said transport is seeing its advantages,the government smell this and panic due to losing what is very important revenue to prop up its wasteful spending elsewhere,thus they regain control by agreeing to said increases etc. Do they really think we were born yesterday?

Posted by Mr Berry, 15th December 2007 7:45am

The reality is, (as we all know) oil and it's by-products will become increasingly expensive as availability decreases and the price will continue to rise. Iraq maybe producing more oil now than before the invasion but look what it's cost both in cash and, more importantly, lives. Blocking refineries and depots will have very little impact on the Government (and I don't think it makes much difference who's in power) but it does hit the ordinary driver.
Now, when I was a girl we had a national bus and rail service. It was cheap and lots of people used it. Ahh! those were the days!!!!!

Posted by Pamela Green, 15th December 2007 7:49am

Mr Hanley's comments are interesting, so much for fuel blockades are a thing of the past as stated on their web site. This is the same group of bullies who wanted to make a name for themselves in 2000. Lets hope they have the common sense and the decency not to repeat the action of 2000 again. Motorists have enough to contend with, without having our fuel supply cut of by this group

Posted by Ian Warne, 15th December 2007 7:49am

If people compare this country fuel prices with other countries in Europe then they should consider moving there. I know where I'd rather be. Consider this nobody protests at the cost of Evian at at nearly £2 a litre. And if you buy water in a restaurant then it goes up to £4 a litre

Posted by Roy Davis, 15th December 2007 7:50am
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