Save even more on fuel on National Lift Share Day

192 Comments | Add Comment | Blog entry posted 1st June, 2009

Unleaded is back at £1 a litre again for the first time since last October, and fuel tax will be going up again in September too. But thanks to liftshare there is another way of getting around by car for much less.

Car-sharing is a great way to save hundreds of pounds a year, reduce your impact on the environment, and perhaps even make some new friends. Over 330,000 people have already joined the liftshare network and thousands of new members are signing up every month, so the odds are that you will be able to find at least one person to give it a try with.

Tuesday 9 June is National Lift Share Day – an opportunity to give car-sharing a try, as many already have.

liftshare is free – you just need to register, add your journey details and do a search for others travelling the same way. You can then either offer them a lift in exchange for a contribution to the fuel costs, or take turns driving and leave your car at home several days a week.

They also have a great Tetris-esque game to play – warning, it’s addictive!

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Chris B January 12, 2012

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Transition town Leamington, not just Transport but Fuel storage (eg Cambridge Crude battery) and Security (eg IP v.6 Cisco for distributed power, home security). Also helping pioneers on Land Trusts. I help the Food Chain factor with Community Supported Agric and Cob Ovens.

Smellyfart October 5, 2010

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It's time to end our addiction to oil and here's how we can do it:

A Twelve-Step Plan to End Oil Addiction (courtesy of The Oil Drum)

1. Stop deluding ourselves. The era of cheap, readily-available oil has ended. Prices may fluctuate, but the underlying trend is up, up, up. We have to get used to using less.

2. Demand that politicians take the issue seriously. Make it an election issue. Don't take 'we've got everything under control' as an answer.

3. Stop building new roads. They're a monumental waste of money, time and effort. They encourage, rather than ease congestion and besides, the growth in car travel that's used to justify them isn't going to happen anyway.

4. Divert that money and effort into measures that address the challenges of oil depletion and climate change.

5. Make a major investment in public transport. It needs to be better, faster, more comfortable, more regular and more predictable. It needs to cater for everyone, not just peak-hour commuters though they need a better service as well.

6. Make a major investment in broadband internet to allow more people to work from home and change tax and business practices that discourage working from home. The more car trips we can avoid, the better.

7. Electrify transport where possible. We should be electrifying commuter rail where it is not already electric and using light rail (trams) in the cities. On the other end of the scale, electric bikes and scooters can make a big difference in our cities. And electric cars show promise, though there's a lot of questions to be answered yet.

8. Don't use cars unless there's no alternative. Take the bus. Take the train. Switch to a scooter. Walk or cycle - both your wallet and your doctor will thank you.

9. Deal with other aspects of our oil dependence. Agriculture, for example, is highly dependent on oil. We're going to need to change the way we grow and distribute food. Let's get to work on that now, not wait until supermarket shelves start to empty.

10. Stockpile or manufacture vital products currently imported from overseas. When oil runs short, will that still be possible? Let's take stock now and work out what we may need to start stockpiling or making (again) in the UK.

11. Think local. Ending our oil addiction isn't just up to central government, though it can play its part. Communities can work together to make themselves more resilient. Join or start a Transition Towns group in your local area.

12. Accept reality. The age of cheap oil is over. It's not coming back. As individuals and as a nation, we have to adapt.

Ivan Burrows May 18, 2010

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There is a campaign ongoing which entails not buying pertrol etc from the big three. That is Esso, BP and Shell. If their profits go to the wall they will have to bring down their prices and others will follow suite

Ivqan Burrows May 18, 2010

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The authorities are charging VAT on Fuel Duty. Duty is charged on many iitems and follows the same trend. To charge VAT on duty is in fact charging tax on the tax we pay as duty, therefor we are paying tax on tax as it were. What this boils down to is paying VAT (Value Added tAX) on something we get nothing for. We are paying tax on nothing in physical effect so there is no value involved and VAT is not appropriate. Removing this unfair tax would bring petrol down to 96.04p and 57.19p of this would be duty. A further 5p can be for delivery to the garage. Somebody should be in prison for extortion.

Kellerman April 7, 2010

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Oil prices have recently DROPPED? They're at an 18-month high! What crack brand is he smoking and where can I get it?

I wish I'd invested in oil during 2009's price collapse. I'd have doubled my return by now.

Kay Kaye April 6, 2010

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Government ruthless Tax ... I just rang Morrisons to find out the price of their fuel since it is different in different towns - and they said quote
"It is 116.9 at the moment but we have been told to increase the tax on it so that it is 120.9 - when I asked him why - he said he didn't know especially as Oil prices have recently dropped !

Out with this Government once and for all...!

N Nixon April 6, 2010

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Now its £1.26 per litre and we are still letting them get away with it, whats wrong with this country NO GUTS

Karl Ballentine April 6, 2010

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So the General Election is about to be called.
A lot of votes could be won by the party that pledges to freeze fuel duty and the VAT on fuel for their entire term of office. 100/1
Or, introduce the Fuel Duty Stabiliser.50/1.
Or, they could say that it will be business as usual and raise fuel duty twice a year at the budget. 1000/1. They won't say this, because it will cost them votes, but they'll do it anyway.

Kellerman April 5, 2010

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The good news, though, is I see the oil price coming down from any price spike in the near future (we're up to $86 a barrel now, a 17-month high).

The bad news is, the spike will diappear precisely because our economy's supposed rebound gets killed from the get go by raising energy costs. We're testing the limits each time the globe recovers, and these limits will get ever lower as our economy gets weaker with each bang against the price ceiling (imagine how bad it will be this year if we repeat the spike of 2008 in oil, which easily killed off such massive growth we had. It won't take much to turn that around now).

John April 5, 2010

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So, we are now being attacked from three sides; taxation, lower pound value and rising oil price. I dread to think what the price of unleaded will be in 2 weeks time.

Btw, was looking around Google streetview the other day, so the evidence is there. A year ago, my local Esso station had u/l at 92.9 and diesel at 100.9 and further back the differential was 12ppl. Today, at the same station, prices are 120.9 for both fuels. What has happened over the last 12 months to close the gap?

Kellerman April 4, 2010

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I should add that regardless of who you vote in come May, they will inherit the same decrepit system that has been rotting since at least the '70s. It is no single administration's fault, but the people certainly didn't mind voting them in to keep business as usual going that bit longer. Apparently you can't run a country off debt and financial instruments alone, nor is living from credit card to credit card a sustainable model.

And now everyone on the street who failed highschool economics is about to get a reality check. It sucks, but that's just too bad. Maybe people can actually take some responsibility and live within their means (I earn less than £20k, have no debt and own no credit cards, plus I rent, because the baby boomers made my chances of being able to afford a mortgage impossible).

So far, though, all I see is a load of disillusioned whiners on a blog complaining about matters they don't fully understand. It's a Greek tragedy. Not to worry. Our brethren in the US, Germany, Ireland and Greece will be joining us in the downward slope very soon, if not, sooner.

One last tip: learn Mandarin.

Kellerman April 4, 2010

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Mark Pruden: Sure, they can drive a 4X4, but they better enjoy paying far more for that privilege (and it _is_ a privilege, not a right, to drive a gas guzzler).

But I suppose the entitlement generation believes that, even in an era of fast dwindling fossil fuel energy, they should be allowed to squander such a precious resource on driving stupidly large penís compensation vehicles to the local store for a snack or to drop the kids off round the block at school.

Also, whining about tax increases is hilarious. Guess what? The country is insolvent virtually. We can stop the tax increases immediately by having a debt jubilee and basically wipe the slate clean. Enjoy trying to buy anything with the worthless currency you call sterling if you go that route, though. The rest of the world will simply deem the UK uninvestable, and if you think it sucks now, try hyperinflation. You can at least buy groceries still now without using all your savings to buy a loaf of bread, a la Weimar Republic style.

Mark Pruden April 1, 2010

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well i just dont understand, why is it we, the motorist are penalised. why should we have to pay through the nose,for vehicle tax and petrol. because you like to drive a car of your choice.

if someone wants to drive a 4x4 does it matter. if they enjoy it let them. it seems to me. its about jealousy.

Sian Morris March 29, 2010

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ok, Budget has yet again increased our misery in this financial economy; why oh why do us Brits just moan about and yet still carry on paying it .......

We put the Government into post and have the perfect chance now to stand up and take action, it is time we stood together as a nation and showed that we are not just a country of moaners but a country of action

Steve The Pore Garage Owner March 25, 2010

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Did you know that 5% of the unleaded you buy is Bio-ethanol from renewable sources

Did you know that Bio-ethanol costs 14p per litre more than unleaded per litre ?

Did you know that the government has been subsidising this Bio-ethanol so that it has been introduced without a price rise ? Until now !!

As from 1st April 2010 this subsidy will be removed adding 0.7p per litre plus VAT = 0.823p

As from 1st April 2010 fuel duty will increase by 1 pence per litre + VAT = 1.175pence.

Therefore ignoring the cost of oil and the low value of the pound, the cost of a litre of Unleaded will increase on 1st April by 1.998 pence per litre.

But we can't ignore the low value of the £ against the $ as it has reached its lowest point for a year at $1.4913 and the cost of a barrel has reached $80.28

This equates to

Cost of 1 litre unleaded = 40.262 pence
Duty on 1 Litre unleaded = 57.19 pence
VAT on 1 litre unleaded @ £1.199 = 17.86 pence

This leaves a profit margin of 3.905pence (excl VAT) per litre to share between the fuel suppliers and the Petrol station

Summary

Government take per Litre = 75.05 pence
Petrol station take per Litre = 2.00 pence
Supplier take per Litre = 1.90 pence
Cost of productpe Litre = 40.262 pence

So who's ripping who off ?

As per #180 Why don't we boycott the people making a fortune out of petrol - the Government !

Diesel is the same story as above

(When oil reached $147 a barrel the £ was worth $2.10 (25% more) Fuel Duty was 50.35pence per litre ( 6.84 pence less than now or 8.04 pence including VAT)) Do the maths yourselves

Karl Ballentine March 25, 2010

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180.
Why are people falling for this pyramid e-mail shite?
300 million people????????????????????????????
Theres only 67 million people in Britain of which only 27 million of them drive so where's the other 273 million coming from.
Boycott this boycott that garage. Do the sums first will you or did Shell or Esso want to charge you for air for your tyres and they cheesed you off.

Calum Ogilvie March 24, 2010

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Someone sent the following email to me just today. It has the makings of a plan to help bring fuel prices down, but see what you think:
"The price of oil is as low as it has been for a while, the oil companies have simply jacked their prices up and the government will not do anything as they rake in extra VAT for every increase. See what you think and pass it on if you agree with it.

We are hitting 114.9 a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying 1.50 a ltr. Someone has offered this good idea which makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join in!

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol!
And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP.

If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!!
Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... ..THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.(and not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8days!!! Acting together we can make a difference . If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY ALL LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 90p a LITRE RANGE

It's easy to make this happen. Just join this group and get all your FB friends to join or forward as an email to everyone in your address book, and buy your petrol at Shell, Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons, Jet etc. i.e.. boycott BP and Esso

Dazza March 24, 2010

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well there we go 1 p increase not even a freeze
this shower of robbers will NEVER get my vote

anyine who thinks its great can beat it with them

James Ferguson March 19, 2010

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I like in Glasgow but work in central Scotland. I do 500 miles a week from home to office. A further 500 business miles. When is the goverment and tax office going to raise the allowances that were set years ago. I.E i can only claim 12p per mile to compensate for the fuel and wear and tear on my car. COME ON !!

lets all get together and get the increase we deserve that has been overdue for years and years.....

Ittan March 17, 2010

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Oh well it seem petrol prices are going to be at an all time high....and we are taking it laying down....I guess that the grovernment is losing money with all these full efficient cars paying less road tax...

Taxed To Death March 16, 2010

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Here we go again. Its down to us to car share because the government are using the motorist again to get them out of the debt they are in. Oil is currently $80 a barrel, nearly half the price it was when the prices were this high about 18 months ago, so, if oil is so cheap why is fuel so expensive? Why is there also a calm about this? No one seems to be as annoyed as they were 18 months ago and it about time to rise up again. Pure rip off.

M. March 16, 2010

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"AA president Edmund King told the BBC: "We all know government finances are in dire straits but a 3p rise in fuel duty is not good for the economy and could fuel inflation."

He said that the cost of wholesale petrol had risen by 17% in the past month, and this had not yet been passed on fully at the pumps.

Therefore, the average price of petrol could hit £1.20 before 1 April"

*BBC news site*

That is the bit post #174 and sky left out,
thought I would add that before the inevitable onslaught on how garages rip people off on there 2-4ppl gross margins.

Dazza March 16, 2010

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Petrol Price Woe For Drivers As Costs Soar

8:00am UK, Tuesday March 16, 2010

James Jordan, Sky News Online
Petrol prices could reach an eye-watering 120p per litre later this year, the AA is warning.


The organisation is claiming that unleaded fuel could even top the price, equivalent to £5.41 a gallon, and Alistair Darling is being urged to delay the introduction of a planned 3p increase in petrol duty due to come in on April 1.

AA president Edmund King said: "The UK is barely out of recession, yet petrol prices threaten to rise to record prices seen during the boom of 2008 - shortly before the collapse into recession.

"If families, drivers on fixed incomes and those on low pay were unable to cope with record prices then, they are even less likely now."

AA research found an average family with two cars is paying £52 a month more to fill up now than a year ago.


Motorists are being legally mugged at the forecourt by petrol companies.
Lindsay Hoyle, Labour MP on the Commons business select committee


The average petrol price in the UK is 115.9p for a litre of unleaded and 116.6p for a litre of diesel.

Even if the 3p increase is withdrawn, the price paid by drivers could soon hit 120p a litre - £5.41 a gallon - according to the organisation.

This would overtake the previous high of 119.7p of July 2008.

The AA said the price increases were caused by the rise in the price of wholesale gasoline since the end of January.

Lindsay Hoyle, the senior Labour MP on the Commons business select committee, said it was "a complete disgrace".

He told the Daily Telegraph: "Yes, crude oil has gone up this year, but nothing like the rise in petrol prices. Motorists are being legally mugged at the forecourt by petrol companies


about time mabye now someone will do soemthing

Dazza March 15, 2010

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its 120 here no one will do anything thats the point if eveyone stops going to work then what will they do no back bone in this country

if labouer get back in im going on the dole why not these people get everthing anyway

Cy Shearer March 15, 2010

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Can anyone tell me why fuel prices have increased by 3 pence (in my area - Southern England) in one week? Last time I filled up a litre of unleaded was £115.9 but a week on I am seeing £118.9 at the main stations! When is it going to end - the £2.00 barrier will be hit soon and then what? This is a very clever ploy by the Government to reduce the amount of vehicles using the roads. Instead of dealing with the increasing amount of road users and traffic conjestion head-on - they are pricing the poor out of motoring by raising fuel prices hoping that it will reduce numbers of vehicles using the roads. Here's an idea… if we all stopped using the petrol stations for just one day this would have a huge impact on the Governments revenue - if we did it once every week or month then the damage would be catastrophic for the Government. BP stands for - BAN PUMPS…

Nick March 13, 2010

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Come on lets have a new subject to moan about, since this subject started petrol has gone up 25%

Dave February 25, 2010

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I do blame gov tax personaly because they have never reduced it " and I mean EVER ",

WE ARE BEYOND A JOKE AT PRICES TODAY " £1.12 P a litre unleaded and lets not complain about oil companies here there cost is miniscule to the rip off TAX the gov steal " why are people not complaining "?

Tom Heywood February 18, 2010

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round here petrol prices have gone down by upto 2p per litre depending on the garage brand... has it gone down anywhere else?

Bruce Brassington February 12, 2010

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Scenario:

I get a car allowance of £5k p.a to purchase, maintain, service and Tax my 2.2ltre Avensis diesal.

I have a petrol card to pay for fuel.

The company deducts for private milage at the rate of .22p per mile.

Is this correct? It should only be for refund of private fuel use but seems high

Based on 110p per litre and doing 40mpg on average and with my maths skills somewhat suspect, I'm having problems devizing the formula to calculate fuel per mile and actual fuela cost per mile. Can anyone help?

Warren February 8, 2010

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I don't really care that retailers are making 4p per litre or whatever it is. They're running a business at the end of the day.

What annoys me is the fact that most of the cost of fuel is tax.

Blame the government, not the retailer!

John February 6, 2010

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The 3 week trend for oil price is down, down, down.

The 3 week trend for forecourt prices is stagnant to up!!!

M. February 5, 2010

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I'm not sure how your point about climate change is relevant in regards to garages robbin people at the pumps?

If you mean about the government increasing fuel duty and citing climate change as the reason then that is a valid but different point. Garages don't impose climate changes taxes.

You lost me with the buses, but again i'm guessing that your referring to the fact that public transport is not a viable alternative to driving in some areas, again a valid but irrelevant point. Garages don't run the bus service.

Also for info the price today dropped 2ppl, so in the last 3 days a small increase overall of 0.5ppl. Now if garages were as quick to pass on the savings then I would assume that the same swiftness for price rises would also be passed on?
If garages passed on the daily price, as a customer who filled up yesterday I would be miffed to pay 3ppl more than Monday because of mid-week price increase only to find it back to the lower price the next day. This is how garages act as a 'buffer' zone and don't pass on the immediate saving and rises, they follow a trend rather than the daily swing.

Hopefully some people will understand a little now of how a garage retailing fuel operates

Dazza February 5, 2010

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I dont care the point is climate change is it not that itself is not 100 per cent accurate infact its about 80 per cent pure rubbish hence why i know prices are going up

lets say rural areas dont use the car get the bus yeah why not try coming home at 10pm at night full of drunken drugged up yobs i dont think so


buses are a no go pure and simple

M. February 4, 2010

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@152

Robbing bstrds at 4ppl?

so lets say retailer drops his price by 4ppl then (3% of the 111.9), now you got 3% off who would you like to call robbing bstrds now?

Do bear in mind that 4ppl is gross profit (before sites costs) a site will run for around 2-3ppl costs, and these margins are deemed as quite reasonable. so lets run the site for £0 a profit a year, take site costs of 2.5ppl and that gives a profit of 1.5ppl or 1.3% of the price that can be taking off.

Gee, you got a price were one group is 3% and another group is around 70% of the price and you complain that the 3% are the ones doing the 'robbin'?

For you info, the price the last 2 days has gone up 2.5ppl, no site around me has gone up, so if they making 4ppl and it cost them 2.0ppl to run the site, they are now losing a small margin on there fuel sales.

Next time you complain about the price of fuel, can i suggest you read this site and then direct your efforts to the largest casue to the price of fuel?

Dazza February 3, 2010

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Who cares the oil is creeping back up and the price at the pumps is here as well it never dropped once with it dropping to 73 dollars so dont give me the rubbish of getting margins its profit the robbing bstrds

Retailer February 3, 2010

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154 John

I asked the question of Price Action to see if he/she had any knowledge to back up his/her argument. The lack of reply would indicate not. The answer is:

Assuming mid-CIF pricing, unleaded was $696.50/tonne and Derv $615.25/tonne for delivery on 2nd Feb. Convert this to litres and use an exchange rate of $1.6024/£ then add on 2.5 pence per litre to deliver to the petrol station and you get a cost price excluding VAT of 91.495 ppl for unleaded and 91.304 ppl for Derv. 56.19 ppl of both these prices is Duty. Selling at the prices stated gives a gross profit ex. VAT of 2.03 ppl on unleaded and 3.93 ppl on Derv. Recognise that NO overheads have been taken out of this.

I don't "expect" you to pay any price - the market dictates that. However, you might want to consider your interpretation of "competitive behaviour" if you think that the dominance of the Hypermarkets and the consequent dimunition of choice by the erosion of local businesses is a good thing

No doubt you complain about the cost of fuel to drive to your chosen Hypermarket!

John February 2, 2010

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Dear Retailer,

You tell us!

If it weren't for the likes of Morrisons, Asda and Sainsburys competitive behaviour (Tescos deliberately left out), heaven knows (am I allowed to say that in this country?) what price you'd be expecting us to pay.

M. February 2, 2010

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@152

"We can, of course ignore retailers' dubious contrary claims that appear even on this discussion page along with the counter-productive PRA press releases to the UK media which try to excuse unreasonable price rises."

Ok no problem, as retailers and PRA are all wrong (in your opinion)then use a source your happy with, how about this website

http://www.petrolprices.com/price-of-petrol.html
http://www.petrolprices.com/fuel-tax.html

less than 8% of the cost of fuel is retailer and oil company.

Retailer February 2, 2010

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152

"The increased prices would appear to result from the Petrol Retailers' Association cartel action, started over the last few weeks, to encourage UK petrol retailers to hike prices together." Got any evidence to support this wild claim? Do you even know anything about the PRA or who it's members are? No - I thought not.

"We know prices this high are not justified by the current fairly benign underlying cost pattern." What does this vague gobbledygook mean? Please provide the numbers to support what you are trying to say!

"counter-productive PRA press releases to the UK media which try to excuse unreasonable price rises." What is counter productive about providing the facts? If you don't agree with them then please provide the facts to support your counter-argument - or are you just giving an unfounded opinion?

Retail margins are currently better at the moment than they have been for some months - but they are not excessive and this is what happens in a free market. Undoubtedly margins will come down again. If margins stayed permanently at the level they were pre-Christmas you could expect a significant number of petrol station closures and a consequent loss of jobs leaving the supermarkets able to further exploit their dominant position.

Of course, I don't expect you to believe any of this, you'll just see it as an "excuse", so if you want to counter my view then please provide your evidence in numbers. You could start by simply demonstrating what pence per litre gross profit an independent retailer would make by selling unleaded at 109.9 and Derv at 111.9 today.

I look forward to your reply.

Price Action February 1, 2010

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The increased prices would appear to result from the Petrol Retailers' Association cartel action, started over the last few weeks, to encourage UK petrol retailers to hike prices together.

We know prices this high are not justified by the current fairly benign underlying cost pattern.

We can, of course ignore retailers' dubious contrary claims that appear even on this discussion page along with the counter-productive PRA press releases to the UK media which try to excuse unreasonable price rises.

M. January 31, 2010

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It is likely that the filling stations are trying to gain back profits lost when the prices went up just before the Xmas periods, if the stations had put it up then they would be in the media the next day as 'profiteering' from the snow and bad weather.

Again let's say a garage operated for nothing, staff worked for love and the council gave free tax, the price would be 2-6ppl cheaper.

Guys, use the the info available, even this site itself shows the % of the cost that the filling station makes up.

Colin Glazebrook January 31, 2010

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Oil prices are dropping? Why then, has the price of unleaded in my local Asda gone up over 6.5% in the last month? This is after the increase caused by the VAT rate increase!

John January 30, 2010

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So oil has been consistently falling over the last 3 weeks to the tune of $10 per barrel so what is causing the delay in the drop on forecourts? I wonder?

M. January 29, 2010

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"What do you mean, it is like that - goes up by 2p per litre daily!"

it can fill like that, use the average price on this site to find out what your local garage pricing is like. I'm not saying every garage is fair with pricing but the majority are, unfortunately garages often get more bad press than they deserve, even if by some miraculous method the garage ran for no profit at all, you are likely to be looking at 2-5ppl cheaper with the majority of garages. I presume you realise by looking at this site were the majority of the cost of fuel comes from?


"further north you go the cheaper fuel gets???? why is that??.."

There can be a difference in the region of 1/1.5ppl attributed to the distribution cost of the fuel, i.e. Sites further away have a higher distribution cost than ones nearer the terminal.

£1.169 is a little excessive with today's prices, but you can look at the average price yesterday of 1.12 to work that out :)

Emmett January 26, 2010

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hi every 1...i live close to the border between northen ireland and the rep of ireland (Newry) and the price of fuel has been going up and up for ages now!!...in our local stations you pay £1.16/17 per litre (petrol and deisel) and locally pll are outraged at this. i have started a group on facebook recently (the price of fuel is a F**KIN joke in NEWRY/northern ireland! sort it out!...please join if ya can!) and we have had a great response from ppl across the north of ireland and the further north you go the cheaper fuel gets???? why is that??..how can petrol be £104.9 in glengormly (near belfast) and be £1.17 in newry!!! i for 1 am sick to my back teeth of the price rise in fuel and i will be trying my hardest to bring this to the general public attention instead of it being 'another thing' people take on the chin!

Tandy January 26, 2010

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Quote: Garages and the supply chain would be unable to cope if the garages responded to the daily changes, also customers would be miffed to find it 108 on Monday 112 on wednesday and 110 at the weekend.

What do you mean, it is like that - goes up by 2p per litre daily!

M. January 25, 2010

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The price has come down in the last week yes,
but since before Xmas it was going up, it even went over $80

If the garage went up 8ppl or so then yes it could move it down, I suspect however your local garage went up however 3-4ppl so the profit they lost when they were slow to put it up will now be recovered by being 'slow' to put it down.

Garages and the supply chain would be unable to cope if the garages responded to the daily changes, also customers would be miffed to find it 108 on Monday 112 on wednesday and 110 at the weekend. Would also be difficult to staff needing 1 staff somedays and 5 staff the next because the price has swung.

John January 24, 2010

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The price of oil has fallen considerably in the last week and the pound is up against the dollar. So why is petrol still going up? I wonder!

Paul Sparrow January 23, 2010

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Can someone please expain to me, barring government VAT and taxes etc, when the price of a barrel of oil is now lying at $72 a barrel (gone down over $10 in the last 2 weeks), how our petrol price is still sky high. Where I live in Redcar Tescos is £1.12p per litre, which is up around 4p in the past few weeks.
I'm an intelligent guy but cannot work out how they can continue to keep the prices too high !!

Regards
Paul

P.S> love the site, thank you

Steve M January 19, 2010

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Hi,

The average diesel price in Birmingham is around £1.09ltr.

One Garage near Bearwood on the A456 is charging £1.39ltr. (How. Why?)

Needless to say its forecourt was empty as the station a few hundred yards away had a fair size queue.

RE 140 Jay Boyd
This site depends on information being sent on a daily basis to keep updated.
You may find in reality it is a couple of days behind at best.

Hello to Adrian John Bell. I hope things are OK.

Don January 11, 2010

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thank you for all you emails this has saved me a fortune i much appriciate it keep up the good work

Jay Boyd January 2, 2010

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this website is wrong on the prices in derby sainsburys deisel is not £1.05 per L it is £1.07 per L which is a 2p hipe since yesterday

Steve The Poor Petrol Station Owner December 22, 2009

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Merry Christmas to you all (especially those of you who don't buy supermarket fuel).
And, yes I have a few bags of rock-salt left for sale.
All the best

Steve

Ray Parsons December 18, 2009

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When VAT returns to 17.5% on January 1st 2010 .. why will it be applied to road fuels?

The government made sure that road fuels did not benefit from the reduction in VAT to the 15% rate by increasing fuel duty at the time.

What should happen is that fuel duty is reduced, and VAT is increased on fuel the 1st of January 2010.

Resulting in NO PRICE CHANGE!

Steve M December 14, 2009

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Hi,

Adrian, Good to hear from you.

My Mother-In-Law (bless her) has a similar plan except she shops for the next Christmas in January and February.
Each to their own I suppose.

All the Christmas decorations are up now. I am doing my bit towards saving the planet.

All the lights on the outside of the house are 24v and use less energy than the lamposts which the council have kindly refused to repair since September.

We are doing our bit for the community too by lighting up half the area.

If you pass Birmingham on the M5 near Jcn 2 and see a large glow on the darkened horizon, chances are it's my place.

Adrian. A very merry Christmas to you and your family.

Speak soon.

Adrian John Bell December 14, 2009

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Steve M.
A very merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year to you as well my dearest friend.

As usual spot on on in #135.

The following is not "on topic" with fuel prices but as most supermarkets now sell high value goods cheaper to entice you in AND to buy their crappy
fuel this is something to bare in mind:-

You buy it before Christmas, when it costs £80. By Boxing Day, it costs £40. By mid-January, it's £20. It's like the shops know we need to buy gifts by Christmas Day, or something.

The only way to avoid this rip-off is to keep receipts for everything you buy, and double-check all the prices when the sales start. As long as the items are in good condition and you've kept the original packaging, you can probably get away with returning anything that's dropped in price, (sorry I bought 1 of these and great aunt Flo bought us 1 as well and we don't need 2) and then simply buying it again later in the day at the sale price.
A double whammy at Tesco's is they can't take back the double clubcard points for the original purchase either.

Winner!

This will work more often than not and 4 for the price of 1 makes up slightly for the year round rip off off fuel prices.

All the best to all.
A.J.B.

Steve M December 14, 2009

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Hi,

It seems you are all missing the point concerning the supermarkets drop in fuel prices.

A) It's nearly Christmas. They want your money at the till.
B) Supermarket fuel is cheap and nasty. Buy from Shell, Esso, etc. More miles per gallon. Kinder on the engine and the environment.
C) It's nearly Christmas. THEY WANT YOUR MONEY.

Seasons Greetings to All.

Adrian John Bell. Merry Christmas my friend.

Learjet December 14, 2009

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You seem to have overlooked a few points.

1. This time last year Oil was at $36.00/Bbl

2. The exchange rate was 1.47 Dollar vs Pound.

3. VAT had dropped to 15% from 17.5%

4. In two weeks 17.5% will come back into force.
The reductions will be nearly cancelled out.

Price Action December 12, 2009

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Message from Press Association 4.35am Saturday 12 December 2009:

'Motorists are benefiting from lower petrol prices after Asda announced a cut of up to 3p a litre at its pumps.

Campaigners said they hoped the move would spark a price war among other retailers to pass on the drop in wholesale oil prices to customers.

Asda said drivers filling up at its 179 forecourts across the UK would pay no more than 103.9 pence per litre for unleaded and 105.9 pence per litre for diesel.'


Note that the oil price closed at about $69.80 per barrel on Friday evening.
It has fallen about $15 a barrel from its recent maximum of about $84pb in mid October '09.

This time last year, when the barrel price fell below $70, UK pump prices moved to 99.9p per litre of unleaded then moved on down to a minimum of about 84.9p per litre over the next 8 weeks. (We'd need to add about 3p to these prices to cover 2009 tax rises, so 87.9p a litre should now be achievable.)

Deakin Ayre December 1, 2009

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its no use just moaning about prices going up and up we need to do what we did the last time fuel went to over £1 per litre

Dave H November 26, 2009

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Can anyone tell me...how do I revert to plain text email alerts instead of HTML?

Sandra Brown November 26, 2009

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26.11.09

Just an observation, Tesco petrol is 1.07 while all other supermarket forecourts are at 1.05. Petrol is expensive enough, we dont, mind a profit margin but help us cash strapped drivers

Jay Punshon November 24, 2009

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Its nice to see the blogs are up to date on here.... 06/2009 and its now what 11/09... Wheres all the fuss about the price of petrol that went off 18 months ago. Looks like this site has given up on what the average joe wants

Don Thomas November 19, 2009

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126

So the Government should susidise fuel prices? In other words, all tax payers should subsidise fuel prices? No thanks - you want to consume more then you pay for it chum!

So using more fuel and spending more money in the shops on stuff you don't need is the answer? I think you'll find it's more likely the problem!

"3. The weak dollar, which encourages traders to inflate the barrel price." You really haven't got a clue what you're writing about have you?

M. November 18, 2009

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@126

"Rising UK pump prices seem to stem just now from
1. Local action by retailers to charge as much as they can (certainly no less, or barely less, than their competitors within about 3 miles)"

How much do you honestly think retailers are making?
I would be really interested to know your answer, i doubt you will be close because if you know you certainly would not make that 1st point.


Price Action November 18, 2009

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Rising UK pump prices seem to stem just now from
1. Local action by retailers to charge as much as they can (certainly no less, or barely less, than their competitors within about 3 miles)
2. The renewed enthusiasm of worldwide (and our own) sp1vs, speculators and city sl1ckers to gouge up the dollar price of a barrel of oil; including the likes of participants within Goldman Sachs and the commodity trading rooms of our UK banks, which we all part own.
and ...
3. The weak dollar, which encourages traders to inflate the barrel price.

What could be done?
Despite the gouged up oil price fuel reserves just noware high. OPEC (and within it particularly Saudi Arabia) is now murmuring about raising output, thus raising reserves still higher to put pressure on the market to cause prices to drop somewhat.

That might help a bit, but what about a good old UK prices (but not incomes) policy? Why not lobby Government to set the pump price for petrol this month at £99.9p?

Motorists would be happy. The more healthy retailers would be happy (they'd sell much more).

With the economic recovery that's just started, we'd all be able to spend a little more in the shops for Christmas, helping the UK on towards the 4% per annum growth that's projected by this time next year.

Seems like a win-win-win solution.

Grant Wray November 17, 2009

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Prices are creeping up still. If the rises since I picked up my Prius in August are carried over the year, it makes the annual rate for fuel inflation just shy of 40%. This is diabolical in a global recession and as it hits the RPI in 3-6 months time will start a fresh cycle of bust. And we can't afford this one, let alone another.

Rob Ingram November 9, 2009

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oil touched $80 again today, I paid £15 for BP ultimate Diesel as I have a 306 estate 2.0 HDI so it is fussy on fuel (hates sainsbury's and tesco diesel which why they are banned from my vehicle) it loves morrisons, BP :) and asdas,
I paid 111.9 on Tudor street (peeps from cardiff know where i mean)
why has oil risen so much in the last few months, there is a glut in supply,
someone give the speculators a kick up the backside, and also People, lets protest, against high fuel, I'm up for it and willing to lead :) GO BP Ult Derv :)

Helen Benney November 9, 2009

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today. 09/11/09 unleaded now stands at £108.99 a litre,
why has it risen so much in the last couple of weeks?
when is this going to stop?
and why does no one seem to be doing anything about it?

Rachel November 9, 2009

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I feel they should give some sort of discout on petrol depending on your job. I'm 18 and struggle to keep my car running with the price of petrol aswell as tax and insurance. Wish someone would take pitty on us and lower the price someday

Lisa Mona November 1, 2009

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Richard

Give me 6 examples of French protests: What they were about, what they did, what the consequences were for the public and what was achieved for the protestors? All this talk of "doing it like the French" is bar talk - passed on and on without a shred of evidence. Equally, the population of the UK generally gets on with life rather than just moaning (although a short stay in these blogs might make you think otherwise).

Lead in emissions is a totally different problem to CO2 - this is hardly rocket science. Lead was reduced/removed because it's a poison to humans and animals, CO2 has a direct impact on climate change.

Richard November 1, 2009

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We can all moan as much as we like because it will never make any difference, besides all we English do is moan, moan, moan!! And even when we do decide to protest at the cost of fuel we can’t even do that right!!! We end up with a few hundred lorry’s taking part in an ORGANISED PEACEFUL gathering in London!!! Where does that get us? Nowhere!!! We should take a very close look at how the French do it, they give NO warning of what their protest will involve and they end up blocking major roads and cities!! This is the ONLY way to get the government to listen and take note. And as for the excuse that we hear all the time when the government out up fuel duty “it’s for the environment”... “to encourage everyone to go green”... WHAT A BLOODY EXCUSE!!!! Correct me if I’m wrong but does everyone remember back in the 80’s (or 90.s) when the government phased out 4 star fuel and introduced “Unleaded Fuel” telling us it was much more environmentally friendly and all the praise we saw on TV regarding this new clean fuel. If that was the case then why are we STILL hearing the SAME excuse about helping the planet and going green? When you look back at this then you will realise that no mater what clean fuel they bring in, even if they invented a fuel with ZERO emissions they would STILL give us the same excuse to tax us to the hilt!!!

The Oil Age Is Over October 16, 2009

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A new report highlights how woefully unprepared the Government is for a looming peak in oil production.

There is a 'significant risk' that conventional oil production will peak before 2020, and forecasts that delay the event beyond 2030 are based on assumptions that are 'at best optimistic and at worst implausible'.

So says a major new report that puts the excitement over recent ‘giant’ oil discoveries into perspective and directly contradicts the British government’s position. It also warns that failure to recognise the threat of peak oil could undermine efforts to combat climate change.

The report, entitled 'Global Oil Depletion: An assessment of the evidence for a near-term peak in global oil production', comes from the UK Energy Research Centre, an independent group funded by the Research Councils, whose mission is to resolve contentious technical issues and deliver clear guidance for policymakers.

This report is significant because it is the first dispassionate academic attempt to reconcile the highly polarised debate over whether and when oil supplies will start to decline, yet its conclusions chime with a growing number of recent forecasts that warn of an early peak in production.

'This is an important conclusion,' says Steven Sorrell, of Sussex University’s Science Policy Research Unit, and lead author of the report, 'because the worst impacts of oil depletion could come sooner than the worst impacts of climate change. Both are important, but depletion has been largely ignored by policymakers'.

What's the evidence?

The UKERC set out to assess the evidence that conventional oil production will be limited by physical depletion of the geological resource, as opposed to ‘above-ground’ constraints such as a lack of investment or resource nationalism, before 2030.

After reviewing the data, they found there were large uncertainties, and that peak oil forecasting techniques were often too pessimistic about future supply. Yet they concluded the information was good enough to assess the risk of global oil depletion, and that the peak of conventional production was 'likely' before 2030.

The main reason is the relentless treadmill imposed on the industry by the falling output of most existing fields, as a result of falling reservoir pressures and a long-term decline in the size of the fields being discovered. The UKERC found that total production from existing fields is declining at 4 per cent or more each year, meaning the world has to add 3 million barrels of daily production capacity annually just to stand still, equivalent to developing a new Saudi Arabia every three years. This will present 'a major challenge, even if ‘above-ground’ conditions are favourable', says the report.

Once the economy comes out of recession, satisfying demand growth would usually require another 1 million barrels of daily production capacity each year.

The report also puts the breathless reporting of recent discoveries in the Gulf of Mexico and offshore Brazil into a more sober context. BG’s Guara field, discovered last month, contains 2 billion barrels of recoverable oil and was lauded as a ‘supergiant’, prompting some pundits to claim such finds would banish peak oil for decades.

However, the UKERC argues that each additional 1 billion barrels delays peak oil by less than a week. To postpone the peak by a year would take 7 times what was discovered in 2007. 'We’re unlikely to explore our way out of this,' says Sorrell.

Heads in the sand?

The report also implicitly challenges the British Government’s position on peak oil. In response to an online petition last year, the Government insisted there is enough oil for the 'foreseeable future', and that reserves will meet rising demand until 'at least 2030'.

The Government also refuses to conduct a risk assessment that peak oil might come before 2020, despite maintaining a comprehensive risk assessment and rapid response network for an outbreak of smallpox, which it admits has already been eradicated.

But the UKERC concludes the risk of a conventional peak before 2020 is significant and, given the long lead times needed to develop alternatives, requires serious consideration.

'If you don’t even recognize the problem you will inevitably be unprepared,' says Sorrell. 'The Government needs to wake up to oil depletion and start planning, because it’s going to mean major changes infrastructure, investment and lifestyles'.

The Government bases its view on the work of the International Energy Agency, which forecasts conventional oil will peak in 2020, but which argues that rising output from non-conventional sources, such as the Canadian tar sands, will push the overall production peak out to 'around 2030'. The UKERC report does not address the potential for non-conventional oil, but the numbers in the report show how unlikely it is that they will defer the peak for long, because of the sheer size of the hole left by conventional depletion.

The UKERC report shows that two thirds of current oil production capacity – 60 million barrels per day - must be replaced by 2030 before allowing for demand growth. By contrast, non-conventional resources are expensive and difficult to produce and unlikely to expand by anything like that much. One of the most optimistic industry forecasts for tar sands production, for instance, from energy consultancy IHS CERA, shows output reaching 6.3 mb/d by 2035.

'But by then we’ll need to add around ten times that much capacity without allowing for any growth in demand,' says Sorrell, 'so it’s very hard to see non-conventionals riding to the rescue. We haven’t demonstrated it in the report, but I think it’s likely that conventional peak oil will turn out to be peak oil full stop'.

Peak oil: bad for climate change?

As the UN climate talks in Bangkok reach their climax tomorrow – the penultimate round before the crucial Copenhagen summit in December - the UKERC warns that running short of oil may actually be bad for global warming. The report notes that climate policy assessments generally make no reference to oil depletion and frequently rely on optimistic oil price assumptions, which Sorrell says are unjustified. Further oil price spikes could tip the economy into recession again, sapping climate change efforts to mitigate climate change of political will and financial resources.

Peak oil could also hamper attempts to mitigate climate change by creating a strong incentive to exploit vast deposits of carbon intensive non-conventional oils – even though they are unlikely to fill the gap in time.

The report comes amid a growing consensus that the oil supply will fail to meet demand far sooner than 2020 for ‘above-ground’ reasons. Both the IEA and Christophe de Margerie, chief executive of Total, have warned of a supply crunch in the next few years as demand recovers, because of shrinking investment in new production capacity following the collapse of the oil price. Bankers Morgan Stanley recently predicted that tightening supply will push oil price back up to $105 per barrel by 2012, while analysts Douglas-Westwood have noted that an oil price of more than $80/bbl sends the US into recession.

Welcome words?

The UKERC report has been broadly welcomed by depletion experts, who urged the Government to act on it. Christopher Patey, chairman of the Oil Depletion Analysis Centre, and a former executive with Mobil, said 'this excellent report exposes the British Government’s position on peak oil for what it really is – obstinate denial in the face of the growing evidence, and a reckless gamble on all our futures'.

Jeremy Leggett, convenor of the UK Industry Taskforce on peak Oil and Energy Security, said:
'Having rejected the concerns of a cross-section of British industry about a peak in global oil production in the next decade, hopefully the government will listen to the concerns of the country's premier energy research establishment.'

'This is the right report at the right time,' said Bernie Bulkin, Energy and Transport Commissioner at the Sustainable Development Commission and former chief scientist for BP, who introduced the report at its launch yesterday. 'The Government should look at how we can run our economy effectively and efficiently without oil,' he said in an interview. 'It means electrification of road transport, and then making electricity zero carbon'.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Energy and Climate Change said: 'Government met with UKERC in July to discuss their initial findings – we’re interested in their report and will assess their conclusions closely'.

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Article by David Strahan - The Ecologist - 8th October 2009.


David Strahan is author of The Last Oil Shock, a trustee of the Oil Depletion Analysis Centre, and served on the Expert Group of advisors to the UKERC report.

Dazza October 15, 2009

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Oil has now hit 76 dollars per barrel expect to pay 110.09 for petrol withing the next few days watch the goverment crumble when people cant afford to get to work this country is going to the dogs because they fk it up we pay the price

Adrian John Bell October 9, 2009

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Time for a wind up.

Why not put a giant clock spring in a car then fully wind it.
Release the tension of the spring and the wheels start turning causing a second giant clock spring to wind fully; when the first spring is fully unwound the second spring takes over the propulsive force thereby winding the first spring again and so on so forth.(Who said morphine and whiskey don't mix)?
I bet in some far off shore in a garden shed is a little Japanese man hard at work on this even as we speak. lol.
They all laughed at Christopher Columbus when he said the world was round.

Back to serious matters.
As M points out diesel does tend to go up at this time of the year because of the increased demand for heating oil, the trouble is it seldom comes down again when warmer times arrive, though at the moment the pricing structure seems to have gone awry.
Steve M, how are you keeping my friend?

M. October 9, 2009

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Diesel is around 2pl more at the moment wholesale.

Some garages will put both grades the same and use a higher profit on ul to keep diesel a similiar price to unl

Other garages will put diesel up to reflect the increase in cost price but won't put up the unl to compensate for it.

Diesel price typicaly goes up this time of year as people prepare for the winter months ahead. Nothing new in this really.

around my area. we got 104.9 unl and 106.9 diesel at one station while another has 105.9 for both, you can see which garage does which method.

Steve M October 9, 2009

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Hi,

It's a funny old world.

All the Shell garages within a 20 mile search have lowered diesel to £1.02pl.

The two local garages BP and Esso have put theirs UP to £1.04pl.

It's a funny old world indeed.

Steve M October 5, 2009

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Hi,

RE 113. Mr Hugger.

The "outdated teachings of the oil process will have to be re-thought" bit was aimed at the whole process. Dinosaurs and plankton all dying in only a few large areas and millions of years later they produce oil.
Don't seem right somehow.

Gone fishing.

Tree Hugger October 5, 2009

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Re112

"If it is true then all outdated teachings of the oil process will have to be re-thought."

Why? You can get methane from a cow's backside, you can get methane from landfill. Why does oil have to be either/or - why not both?

Love your optimism: believe the unlikely and disbelieve the likely!

Steve M October 5, 2009

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Hi,

Take a few minutes to read this.

Abiotic Oil?
Tuesday, 28. July 2009, 07:19:35

geology, mantle, oil and gas

There is widespread evidence that petroleum originates from biological processes. Whether hydrocarbons (oil and gas) can also be produced from abiogenic precursor molecules under the high-pressure, high-temperature conditions characteristic of the upper mantle remains a disputed question.

A hypothesis that oil can be created by non-biological mechanisms originated in Russian and Ukrainian scientific circles in the 1950s. Put briefly, it proposed that petroleum forms deep in the Earth’s mantle under extremely high pressure and temperature through a reaction between carbonates, iron oxides and water. This process goes on continuously, and the petroleum migrates upwards through the lithosphere. At issue is the formation of complex hydrocarbons. There has never been any doubt that simple hydrocarbons such as methane can be formed by inorganic processes.

If true it was speculated it might be possible to find oil deep under the Siljan Impact Crater (Sweden), and they drilled here in the 1980’s and 1990’s, among other things in the hope to find oil. The hypothesis went that (inorganic) methane (gas) migrates upwards from the mantle and transforms into oil in the upper crust in igneous rocks (like granite). The Siljan ring is a crater of granitic rocks overlain by soil formed by a large meteorite impact 360 million years ago. The impact was postulated to have created fractures at great depth through which gas and oil would have been able to migrate. Although a little bit of oil was found, the drilling was more or less a failure – as far as oil and gas is concerned. Many scientists (though not everybody) thought that that was the final end of the abiotic oil story.

Apparently the dream has been awakened again.


As I said Scientists have debated for years whether some of our oil and gas (hydrocarbons) could also have been created deeper in the Earth and formed without organic matter. Now for the first time, according to a study published in the July 26, advanced on-line issue of Nature Geoscience, scientists have found that ethane and heavier hydrocarbons can be synthesised under the pressure-temperature conditions of the upper mantle —the layer of Earth under the crust and on top of the core

Using a diamond anvil cell and a laser heat source, scientists first subjected methane to pressures exceeding 20 thousand times the atmospheric pressure at sea level and temperatures ranging from 704°C to over 1 227 °C. These conditions mimic those found 65 to 150 km deep inside the Earth. The methane reacted and formed ethane, propane, butane, molecular hydrogen, and graphite. The scientists then subjected ethane to the same conditions and it produced methane. The transformations suggest heavier hydrocarbons could exist deep down. The reversibility implies that the synthesis of saturated hydrocarbons is thermodynamically controlled and does not require organic matter.

The results from the study seem to support the suggestion that hydrocarbons heavier than methane can be produced by abiogenic processes in the upper mantle.

Reference:
Kolesnikov et al.
Methane-derived hydrocarbons produced under upper-mantle conditions
Nature Geoscience
Published online: 26 July 2009
doi:10.1038/ngeo591
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Interesting reading.

If it is true then all outdated teachings of the oil process will have to be re-thought.

All the old thinkers will be bought kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

Perhaps Tescos are leading the way already and charging at what could be the true value of £0.40 pl.

Even if oil were abiotic our government would use the 'enviromentally unfriendly petrol fumes' as an excuse to raise taxes and duty to unprecedented heights to 'save the planet' which is IMO going through a natural occurance that has been proven to have happened many times before.

Adrian, its good to hear from you. My freezer is stocked with 'Brains Faggots'
I have been told by a dietician at the hospital to enjoy plenty of red cabbage as this contains polyphenals which apparently help reduce brain cell damage.
Also spinach is good for the old grey matter as well.

As for the Brains beer, it would have to be the 'dark and smooth'.
Just like me!!

Take care my friend.

Keith Evetts October 2, 2009

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I really value this website, not only for the service it gives but for it's campaigning on behalf of the motorist. Long may it continue.

Adrian John Bell October 1, 2009

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Re 108 & 109.

Even at 40p per litre double points and 5p per litre off I still wouldn't buy it
even if I was driving.
It might be useful for getting a bonfire started November 5th though.
Steve M how are you my friend? Come and live in Wales.The rest would do you a power of good and if you tasted the "Brains" beer here in Cardiff you might want to run a pub again.

Malcolm Pope. September 26, 2009

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What go's around, comes around.

A TESCO petrol station was swamped with motorists after a malfunctioning pump began selling petrol for just 40 pence a litre - for nearly a WEEK, it emerged today.

I don't feel one bit sorry for them.

Nicky September 21, 2009

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its about time we had a new subject after all this is been going since June there cant be much more to complain about

Steve M September 21, 2009

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Hi,

Big HELLO to Adrian.

It's good to hear from you my friend.

Lets get the $hit out the way first and I will bring you up to speed.
The pub is no more. My wife and I decided to call it a day. The pub is still a going concern but we have moved back into our own house.
We had many enjoyable years in the trade. My wife is now manager of a kitchen in a private establishment.
I have been diagnosed with a cerebral disorder caused by a motorbike accident some years ago (Oh yes. I am officially crazy!!)

I must agree with you Adrian, the pages have become barren and a lot of the old bloggers from both sides are rather quiet.

The 'new' news concerning the oil finds off the coast of Mexico were thrown around on here around 10 months ago. Maybe we knew something they* didn't.

Perhaps we have exhausted all angles except to say "WE ARE BEING RIPPED OFF"

Best regards Adrian. Keep in touch. Maybe we can come up with something to stir the hornets nest and bring some of the 'old uns' out of retirement.


*they = oil barrons and the worlds media.

Adrian John Bell September 16, 2009

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Hi Steve M
Thank you I'm feeling tip top now at last and I hope you too are well.
These pages have been very quiet over the past couple of months and a lot of the names we knew have faded away, perhaps we were preaching to the
un convertable.
Looking back, I find that one of my suggestions though light hearted at the time, could be implemented to channel some much need cash back into the economy. With 30 million vehicles on Britain's roads (1/2 the population)
and we assume that 1/6th (5 million) of them are audibly challenged that is they MUST let everyone in a 1/2 mile radius hear their thump, thump thumping music, then why not charge them £100.00 per year for a radio license thus bringing in £500,000,000 per year. The government are missing a nice little earner here. Perhaps if they could link it to global warming (sorry climate change) people would happily pay it.
Anyway I hope the licensed trade is holding up to the strain and even though I read these pages for new content every day there seems no one
at present that has anything to add that hasn't been covered previously.
Even "Petrol Prices.com" haven't been able to add new debates, but I spotted one that they never picked up on:-
Asda made a big thing of dropping their fuel prices recently but it seems that nobody noticed that they all raised their prices a week before the fuel duty increase and their much heralded cut in prices only re aligns them to where they were 8 days before that fuel duty increase.There are none as blind as those who will not see.
I feel that my debating days are over and though I've been told that there's a chance of having my license back after Christmas, I haven't really missed it.
As for having more money in my pocket, that didn't work either more time on your hands = more time to spend money and whereas my business is being run by 2 very capable pairs of hands (my daughters) and my twilight years should be comfortable I can't help but feel for the less fortunate amongst us.
Good to air my views with you all again especially you Steve M & maybe one day soon I'll call into your pub and chew the gristle with you in person (metaphorically speaking) I'm sure you serve excellent food but, for now I'll
still keep checking these pages for new comments.

Steve M September 16, 2009

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Hi,

Diesel is holding steady at £1.04 ltr in Birmingham.

Reading back through the most recent posts there seems to be an air of acceptance regarding higher fuel prices.

Are we all going soft?

Wait until the next duty rise followed by increased VAT and watch these pages smoke with people complaining about how it costs £3 more to get to work each week.

Where are these people now? Probably in Tescos moaning about the price of baked beans while jostling their way to the front of the queue using a fair share of elbows and walking sticks while exclaiming they are in a rush for the shuttle bus and need to keep their GP appointment as they have bladder problems.

Did I go off track a bit there? Oops.

*To A J Bell. Hope you are well.*



Captain Sheep September 4, 2009

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The Conservatives plan was exactly this; raise fuel tax when oil prices drop. Either which way we cut this, we cannot do anything about it, not least of all because we have to replace dwindling income from north sea reserves which peaked in 1999 ....... Oooooops Britain hit peak oil 10 years ago. Nevermind eh?

Nicky September 3, 2009

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Hello 95 your comment about voting for another party they all say what they are going to do but when they are in power it all goes by the board the truth is the are all in it for there selves,remember Labour at the beginning of the year they said we are looking into the price of fuel what did they do NOTHING

Stephen Kernaghan September 2, 2009

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Sorry to mention this, but anybody buying ant sort of fuel in Pontypool or is coming into this town, should be aware that all the filling stations are NOW charging £1.08p per litre.
Tesco has kept it at £1.05p.
I think you need to update the site.
Thankyou.

Terry Welsh September 1, 2009

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Having writen many times to the minister through my local MP on the mater of fuel tax and the hike on the Darfrord crossing since April. I have eventualy received what I consider to be the true reasons. And quote an extract from that letter.
"However there are difficult decisions to be taken in order to support public finances and the Government will not shy away from this" ( Sarah Mc carthy-fry. MP) SO THERE YOU HAVE IT ?.

Marcus September 1, 2009

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try my 166 Litre tank , now works out at £175.79 a tank full :(

not moaning though as its a 6.8litre petrol driven SUV. that has taken the place of two other cars to run our large family around.

but what i dont understand is a few years back there was uproar about the rising prices and i think that was round about the 80p a litre .....
what are we the so called British people saying now ,nothing , because the law seems to work one way. try and do something about it , and you'll get arrested.

cant wait till my family and i can afford to emmigrate from this country of taxation

Summermoon August 31, 2009

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Well its £1.16 per litre who'd of thought it. £69 a tank fo diesel now! Thanks GB. Im leaving.

Richard Gray August 27, 2009

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Look! the upshot of this is simple, the people that control the price of oil, petrol, diesel and gas are people that are paid substantial salaries and are therefore unaffected by the price increase! Why should they be bothered if the price of petrol increases by 3p per litre, they probably claim it back on expenses anyway. Unfortunately until we have someone in govenrnment that is concerned about the welfare of the average wage earner we will get nowhere. This Country has gone to the dogs, we are screwed for everything, we're in a recession where people are going bankrupt and can't afford the basic essentials and yet the government help us by increasing the price of everything. We need a general election and we need to listen to what the other parties have to say before we vote. and most importantly we need to vote for the right party and not just because they are the party we always vote for.

Sarah Morris August 26, 2009

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Petrol in our area just gone up again to 105.9 a litre, strange then that one of the oil companies announced a few weeks ago that their profits were over 1 billion pounds in the first 6 months...what does that tell you, we do pay too much tax..but the greedy oil companies want you to keep blaming the government and oil prices, they should be made to bring their prices down. I'm a nurse and i have to travel 30 miles to work each day, and there is no public transport, so what do i do....WALK????? There were strikes when the prices were 79.0p per litre so whats going on have we just decided that we have no fight left in us and we will all be dictated to, because it feels we live in a dictatorship now, we need to stop all the greedy people because if we don't then there will be nothing great left of Great Britain.

Nick August 21, 2009

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I purchased a car so I have my own space and listen to what I like music wise not to have people smoking and making conversation in which I'm not interested in.

Barrygarwood August 17, 2009

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I am getting sick to death of this fuel price con, up again today even though oil prices dropped last week! Now at least £1.03 per litre up from 83p per litre 5 months ago! We are being used to pay for the governments mess ups! how can petrol be £1.03 with oil at $72 a barrel when it was £1.14 at $147 a barrel?

Luke August 14, 2009

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This is a new one. Diesel is now cheaper than petrol in Hop Oast in Horsham.

James White August 12, 2009

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Re. 89

Your engines valves will burn out like mine did after 25,0000 miles mate ruined my engine!

Get this robbong Government out!!!!

Delboy August 11, 2009

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well ive just brought a car that runs on lpg and im paying 0.49p a litre at my local i love it :)

Steve The Poor Garage Owner August 11, 2009

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Don't forget that fuel duty is set to rise again by 2ppl plus VAT on 1st September.
This will raise the Governments take on a litre of fuel to 70 pence including VAT. Then there's the cost of the oil, the cost of refining and the cost of transporting it to the petrol station.
So lay off the garages. As M in post 87 said we are currently making 3ppl gross. This does not even cover the overheads but does attract people into the shop. If it wasn't for the shop sales there would be no independant petrol stations in the country.
Just because something is deemed expensive does not mean that the person selling it is making a lot of money!

M. August 11, 2009

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at $150 a barrell prices were not 1.06, try 1.19 to be nearer the mark.
You are paying 1.06 because at today price your garage is making somewere around 3ppl gross margin. presume that its an efficient garage and its costs might be around 2ppl, more if it isnt. so 50p profit from your £50 fillup, not bad i suppose a 1% profit margin.. so yeah....fleecing garages as someone posted high up.

Don Davis August 11, 2009

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Just heard this a.m that the Price of of a Barrel of oil is $70 Dollars, the Head of OPEC says that the price "is just about right"!!?

Why the hell is it then that i am paying £1.06p a litre for unleaded!!?? That was trhe sort of price being payed when oil was selling for $150plus a barrel a few months ago!!
...and NO ONE in Britain bats an eyelid about this it seems!! We are seen as sheep needing to be sheared, because we want to be sheep - We are silent when our Gov and the Oil Producer Corporates fleece us!!

Marc Adams August 5, 2009

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Re 83,
another convert to better quality fuel from independents over the supermarket bought stuff.
It's a pity the "Mythbusters" t,v programme wasn't based in U.K perhaps then we'd have conclusive proof of what many on these blogs have been reporting.
I've checked back and found one Adrian John Bell to be the first person to point this out.
Adrian John Bell for Prime Minister & Steve M for chancellor.
G. Brown for janitor.
In case anybody has forgotten in 27 days time ANOTHER 2 pence will be added to fuel duty and as we were prepared to pay in excess of £1.30 litre last summer the government know that we'll be falling over ourselves with glee to pay just 2p more then.

Dazza August 4, 2009

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ondon's Brent North Sea crude for delivery in September however rose 73 cents to 74.28 dollars a barrel.

"The gains of the past few days deteriorated as expectations for a further build to stockpiles grew and prompted some profit taking," said Mike Fitzpatrick of MF Global, expecting New York prices to jump again.

"This should be viewed only as a pause before upward momentum gathers strength again."


Money grabbin tosspots

H. Brocklebank August 4, 2009

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hi all
The pound (£) has gained well against the dollar (oil bought in dollars therefore more dollars per pound) and what do Tesco do??????????????
RAISE the price of their sub standard diesel though not their petrol.
Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!

Marc Adams August 3, 2009

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5 Petrolprices debates in May,
1 in June and nothing since.
Everything truly has dried up and no mistake.
R.I.P.

Stark Warning August 3, 2009

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The Independent, Monday 3rd August:

The world is heading for a catastrophic energy crunch that could cripple a global economic recovery because most of the major oil fields in the world have passed their peak production, a leading energy economist has warned.

Higher oil prices brought on by a rapid increase in demand and a stagnation, or even decline, in supply could blow any recovery off course, said Dr Fatih Birol, the chief economist at the respected International Energy Agency (IEA) in Paris, which is charged with the task of assessing future energy supplies by OECD countries.

In an interview with The Independent, Dr Birol said that the public and many governments appeared to be oblivious to the fact that the oil on which modern civilisation depends is running out far faster than previously predicted and that global production is likely to peak in about 10 years – at least a decade earlier than most governments had estimated.

But the first detailed assessment of more than 800 oil fields in the world, covering three quarters of global reserves, has found that most of the biggest fields have already peaked and that the rate of decline in oil production is now running at nearly twice the pace as calculated just two years ago. On top of this, there is a problem of chronic under-investment by oil-producing countries, a feature that is set to result in an "oil crunch" within the next five years which will jeopardise any hope of a recovery from the present global economic recession, he said.

In a stark warning to Britain and the other Western powers, Dr Birol said that the market power of the very few oil-producing countries that hold substantial reserves of oil – mostly in the Middle East – would increase rapidly as the oil crisis begins to grip after 2010.

"One day we will run out of oil, it is not today or tomorrow, but one day we will run out of oil and we have to leave oil before oil leaves us, and we have to prepare ourselves for that day," Dr Birol said. "The earlier we start, the better, because all of our economic and social system is based on oil, so to change from that will take a lot of time and a lot of money and we should take this issue very seriously," he said.

"The market power of the very few oil-producing countries, mainly in the Middle East, will increase very quickly. They already have about 40 per cent share of the oil market and this will increase much more strongly in the future," he said.

There is now a real risk of a crunch in the oil supply after next year when demand picks up because not enough is being done to build up new supplies of oil to compensate for the rapid decline in existing fields.

The IEA estimates that the decline in oil production in existing fields is now running at 6.7 per cent a year compared to the 3.7 per cent decline it had estimated in 2007, which it now acknowledges to be wrong.

"If we see a tightness of the markets, people in the street will see it in terms of higher prices, much higher than we see now. It will have an impact on the economy, definitely, especially if we see this tightness in the markets in the next few years," Dr Birol said.

"It will be especially important because the global economy will still be very fragile, very vulnerable. Many people think there will be a recovery in a few years' time but it will be a slow recovery and a fragile recovery and we will have the risk that the recovery will be strangled with higher oil prices," he told The Independent.

In its first-ever assessment of the world's major oil fields, the IEA concluded that the global energy system was at a crossroads and that consumption of oil was "patently unsustainable", with expected demand far outstripping supply.

Oil production has already peaked in non-Opec countries and the era of cheap oil has come to an end, it warned.

In most fields, oil production has now peaked, which means that other sources of supply have to be found to meet existing demand.

Even if demand remained steady, the world would have to find the equivalent of four Saudi Arabias to maintain production, and six Saudi Arabias if it is to keep up with the expected increase in demand between now and 2030, Dr Birol said.

"It's a big challenge in terms of the geology, in terms of the investment and in terms of the geopolitics. So this is a big risk and it's mainly because of the rates of the declining oil fields," he said.

"Many governments now are more and more aware that at least the day of cheap and easy oil is over... [however] I'm not very optimistic about governments being aware of the difficulties we may face in the oil supply," he said.

Environmentalists fear that as supplies of conventional oil run out, governments will be forced to exploit even dirtier alternatives, such as the massive reserves of tar sands in Alberta, Canada, which would be immensely damaging to the environment because of the amount of energy needed to recover a barrel of tar-sand oil compared to the energy needed to collect the same amount of crude oil.

"Just because oil is running out faster than we have collectively assumed, does not mean the pressure is off on climate change," said Jeremy Leggett, a former oil-industry consultant and now a green entrepreneur with Solar Century.

"Shell and others want to turn to tar, and extract oil from coal. But these are very carbon-intensive processes, and will deepen the climate problem," Dr Leggett said.

"What we need to do is accelerate the mobilisation of renewables, energy efficiency and alternative transport.

"We have to do this for global warming reasons anyway, but the imminent energy crisis redoubles the imperative," he said.

Oil: An unclear future

*Why is oil so important as an energy source?

Crude oil has been critical for economic development and the smooth functioning of almost every aspect of society. Agriculture and food production is heavily dependent on oil for fuel and fertilisers. In the US, for instance, it takes the direct and indirect use of about six barrels of oil to raise one beef steer. It is the basis of most transport systems. Oil is also crucial to the drugs and chemicals industries and is a strategic asset for the military.

*How are oil reserves estimated?

The amount of oil recoverable is always going to be an assessment subject to the vagaries of economics – which determines the price of the oil and whether it is worth the costs of pumping it out –and technology, which determines how easy it is to discover and recover. Probable reserves have a better than 50 per cent chance of getting oil out. Possible reserves have less than 50 per cent chance.

*Why is there such disagreement over oil reserves?

All numbers tend to be informed estimates. Different experts make different assumptions so it is under- standable that they can come to different conclusions. Some countries see the size of their oilfields as a national security issue and do not want to provide accurate information. Another problem concerns how fast oil production is declining in fields that are past their peak production. The rate of decline can vary from field to field and this affects calculations on the size of the reserves. A further factor is the expected size of future demand for oil.

*What is "peak oil" and when will it be reached?

This is the point when the maximum rate at which oil is extracted reaches a peak because of technical and geological constraints, with global production going into decline from then on. The UK Government, along with many other governments, has believed that peak oil will not occur until well into the 21st Century, at least not until after 2030. The International Energy Agency believes peak oil will come perhaps by 2020. But it also believes that we are heading for an even earlier "oil crunch" because demand after 2010 is likely to exceed dwindling supplies.

*With global warming, why should we be worried about peak oil?

There are large reserves of non-conventional oil, such as the tar sands of Canada. But this oil is dirty and will produce vast amounts of carbon dioxide which will make a nonsense of any climate change agreement. Another problem concerns how fast oil production is declining in fields that are past their peak production. The rate of decline can vary from field to field and this affects calculations on the size of the reserves. If we are not adequately prepared for peak oil, global warming could become far worse than expected.

Steve Connor, Science Editor

Stuart Bowd July 31, 2009

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Can anyone explain why we pay so much for fuel, yeah the oil companies are greedy, however the goverment are extracting the urine.

Just think just how much extra money they make out of us poor fools, how comes now oil has dropped so low that we are now paying the same as when it was ova $100 per barrel, sorry just don't add up to me.

They say we need to pay more fuel tax due to the Green Issues, im sorry i wouldn't matter how much money in tax i pay, the ozone is damaged now i could give them £1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.01p and they still wouldn't be able to fix it.

Marc Adams July 31, 2009

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Forget the small few and far between independent garages (they really are struggling and no doubt about it) but if Asda can sell petrol and derv @ 99.9ppl
then Tesco, Sainsburys and all the other big supermarkets can do the same.
Shows us the extent of the "rip off" by them.
I, like an apparent growing number of contributors to these blogs use only independent garages, I don't remember who put me on to the better quality fuel they sell but it really is worth the extra 1 or 2 pence.

Mark July 30, 2009

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you say that the price of fuel is back to £1 not in my area the gready garages in my area droped as little a 1p to bring it down to £103 . where as in my brothers area it has droped to a £1 . we both live the same distance from london one in essex the other in surrey. now how can this be wright, i know its only 3p but it all ads up in the end.

Steve M July 27, 2009

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RE 75

Be happy Laurie. The price of fuel is dropping all around.
Petrol is coming down, diesel has decreased, gas is now cheaper and electricity has fallen also.

Can anyone explain why gas and oil prices are linked so closely.

I would be interested to know if the 'oil shortages' mean we have exactly the same amount of 'gas' shortages and why when oil increases in price the gas follows suit.

Good post Laurie IMO.

Laurie July 21, 2009

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Using a tank a week is getting more and more expensive. Do I blame the tax, not really it s done on a percentage basis, I blame the greedy Oil companies, it is still les that 10 pence a Gallon in Saudi Arabia. They sell it and then the greedy Oil companies rake up their prices and everything else goes up with it. There is not a shortage of oil, what there is, is a shortage of Oil companies being sensible with their profits, they are going up and up and until all governments get on their backs they will not reduce them. And yes I do know the Oil Industry and the trials and tribulations of getting out of the ground as well as the Gas Prices, when the Oil Prices go up the Gas Price goes up, but when the Oil price goes down I do not see the Gas Price go down too fast, They like the Politicians are ripping us off for their own pockets.

Stuart Mcgall July 15, 2009

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Am i missing the point or did we all sign up to petrolprices.com because we were promised a fuel discount card a very long time ago? The premise was simple, brand loyalty for a discounted price. What ever happened to that idea i wonder? I also wonder how much Fubra Ltd (petrolprices) has made from selling off our contact details?

I will keep adding this post to all future threads until i get an answer..........

Roger Grigg July 13, 2009

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My father gave me some advice when he taught me to drive in 1960 and believe me it works. Forget all the complicated fuel saving tips you only need one.
Imagine that there is a raw egg between your right foot and the accelerator and brake pedals and see how many more miles you get to the gallon!!

Donald Kirkbride July 12, 2009

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Asda may well have reduced fuel to 99p but saw several petrol staions charging as much as 104p also shell station at forgan roundabout for example is charging 104 yet another shell station i passed is only charging 99p local tesco here in cupar is still charging 101p perhaps these stations in question will reduce prices at next delivery which is maybe reason for the different shell prices?

Klaus Muller-mohwald July 12, 2009

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The price of petrol has dropped by $10 in the last few weeks, but nothing has changed at the gas station.
We are all being taken for a ride!

K.mohwald July 12, 2009

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The price of petrol is down more than $ 10, but nothing has changed at the gas stations.
We are all being taken for a ride!

Barry Thomas July 9, 2009

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Asda drops fuel prices to below £1
2 hours ago

Supermarket chain Asda has cut its fuel prices to 99.9p per litre, saying there is "little justification" to charge more than £1 at the pumps.

The price cut was made on petrol and diesel at the company's 176 forecourts.

Commercial director David Miles said: "There is no justification for any major retailer selling fuel above £1 per litre - that is why we are delighted to be able to reduce both petrol and diesel to 99.9p per litre for all our customers in line with falling costs."

And he added: "Asda is offering value to all drivers nationwide and we can guarantee all our customers that they'll get a fair price for their fuel no matter what they fill up with at the pump."

The company said that while diesel prices have previously been higher than petrol, current costs mean that this should no longer be the case.

According to website petrolprices.com, on Wednesday the average charge per litre for unleaded was 103.8p, ranging between 99.9p and 115.9p, while the average for diesel was 105.3p, ranging between 99.9p and 117.0p.

The price of crude oil has been on the rise in recent months, but it is still less than half the 140 dollars a barrel level it reached at its height last year

Steve The Poor Buffering Garage Owner July 9, 2009

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Spot on "M"
In the past 2 months the price of unleaded should have spiked at £1.069 but did not go beyond £1.039
We "iron" the price to take out the peaks and troughs.
Most independant petrol stations, who have priced fairly, have made little or no profit over the last two months, so do not expect them to lower prices just yet, because of a temporary slump in oil prices.
My prices are currently
Unleaded £1.029
Diesel £1.039
Mars Bars £0.48

M. July 8, 2009

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Mostly unleaded gone up Phil, there has not been that much movement in diesel pricing.

The price has gone down the last 3 days, you ask why garages have not gone down yet, well probably the same reason garages dont go up when it goes up 3 days in a row.

All filling stations act as a kind of 'buffer', they follow the price trend, if stations put there prices up and down everyday then one day there would be no customers and other days there would be too many customers, This would not only be impossible to run from a fuel point of view, then further up the chain, oil companies would have 400 tankers doing nothing one day and need 800 the next, the system could not run like that without increasing the distribution cost to afford having tankers lying around doing nothing one day and having enough to fill up stations because they sold 3 days worth of fuel in one day.

If you look at the data you will see the average uk price is roughly were you local station should be, use that as a tool to gauge wether or not your getting a good price.

If your local garage is at 1.00-103 then dont expect them to move, if they at 105-108 then yes they should be moving down soon.

There are people on here who operate stations, they do a fair job i think in trying to explain how it works.

Steve Dobson July 8, 2009

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FT reports this today from OPEC:

'Global demand for Opec crude oil will take five years to recover to pre-financial crisis levels and investment spending on new production capacity will be sharply lower as a result.' the cartel said on Wednesday - Jul 8 2009 15:23

Light then at the end of the tunnel! Within three years UK drivers will have started to switch to range extended electric vehicles like the Vauxhall Ampera and the competing offers on the way from Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Renault and no doubt others. The switch over will then gather pace.

Why would oil demand recover? The rest of the world's drivers will be switching too, while industrial users will move away from oil use wherever they can.

Bring it on! Before long oil will be used only as feedstock for perfume, plastic manufacture (if it has not been displaced there) and stuff like that. The rest of us can ignore it.

Phil Knight July 8, 2009

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With Oil prices falling back sharply over the last week and coming back to approx $62 a barrel as of today, why are we not seeing this decrease passed on at the pump?

The garages have been quick to increase fuel over the past weeks as the price climbed back over $70 a barrel but no one as yet seems to be as quick with things going the other way! Yet again we are hit in the pocket with ridiculously high fuel prices and no one seems to question it.

Nicky July 7, 2009

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Sorry Anthony I dont eat takeaways and I do not drink in fact I cycle or walk to most places or use my free bus pass so I dont have to give this goverment any more than I have to

Anthony J. July 7, 2009

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re 62 Reverse psychology? or conscientious objector?

Egg us "fools" on to do something that you can't drag yourself from your pit to do.
I can see you now"supporting"? us from the comfort of your cosy armchair surrounded by last nights takeaways and mound of empty larger cans.

Nicky July 7, 2009

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All these moaning letters when all you fools going to get together and do something about it,never you are all talk

Stephen Parsloe. July 6, 2009

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Simple question to all bloggers,
Constructive suggestions welcome.

What can any of us do (within the law) that would benefit us significantly
with regards to the cost of our fuel?
If the answer mirrors comment #30 then it's time to call it a day with these blogs.

M. July 6, 2009

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Hauliers yes,
Farmers....you do realise that farmers get fuel free of duty dont you? ie. Red Diesel.

i remember at the time they were campaiging for 16ppl off when they were paying 18ppl or similiar i think i saw figures quoted.

Could never understand why the farmers were in the protest in the first place.

Tommy Tinsley July 6, 2009

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Ihave a better idea,if you can,walk,use a pedal bike,75% of journeys are under 1mile, is it a wonder why this government keeps on getting away with ripping us all off with vat and fuel duty they are doing nothing more than taking the urine from you all, everyone should of helped the British hauliers and farmers during the first fuel protest instead of just thinking of them selves,ie(got to get to work,get to supermarkets to buy enough food to survive a nuclear holocaust,they acted like locusts panicking over nothing hence how easy it is to rip you off,this government should not be still in power,along with some fat cats who should not be getting million pound payouts for failures,

Learjet July 6, 2009

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The British Government has been under pressure for some time, from the EU to raise its VAT rate to between 18- 20% to bring it in line with EU rates.

To do this, so close to an election would be political suicide. However after an election, who knows.

As far as putting a fuel tariff on foreign haulage contractors. EU Regulations would prevent this from happening to other member countries.

The UK economy is in dire straits, and all the spin will not change that. The Government has two choices, raise taxes and charges or cut their own spending. They may even have to do both, to raise the revenue just to service such a huge debt.

The thing that really scares them, if the general public stop spending money, its game over.

Steve M July 6, 2009

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Hi,

RE 52 Learjet. (Hello)

"With the 17.5% Vat returning on 01 Jan 2010"
That is assuming VAT will return to 17.5% and not the widely expected 18-20% as predicted by some experts.

There is growing resentment towards foreign haulage drivers filling their tank abroad and doing their bit to wear away our roads and adding to congestion before returning across the channel without adding a drop of British fuel.
It is wrong that it is far cheaper to drive in this country whilst using foreign bought fuel. Surely a levy should be applied to impose a surcharge and bring about a small amount on fairness to the equation.
I know fairness does not run a country, but it does win votes.

(AJB, I hope you are well my friend)

Swzeicie July 5, 2009

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People need to start smuggling fair-price petrol into this country.
So much for "fairtrade" what about "fair-price".

And yes pretty much everyone will buy it.

Unleaded Rise Unforgivable. July 5, 2009

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Darn right something has to give. It's the economy.
I was planning a weekend away in Cornwall, that would have injected money into their local economy.
The unleaded rise from 100.9 to 103.9 was just too much. Absolute con diesel is cheaper when petrol has less energy in it and burns cleaner.
I decided to stay home instead. It pisse5 me off and I blame this government.

Does the government not realise taking 25p/litre tax on 25 litres, earns them more money than 55p/litre tax on 0 litres!! Morons!!

For friday and saturday nights I will now either spend the night in, or drink all my alcohol for the night before I walk out my front door. A discreet hip-flask of vodka keeps the night rolling for free. So much for nightclubs charging £3.90 a pint.

Mark Beard July 4, 2009

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All I'm gonna add is that thia all sucks,BIG TIME!!!! We are being ripped off in this this country for so many many things and the petrol prices are just one of them, as someone made a comment earlier something HAS to give!!! :-(

Learjet July 4, 2009

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Fuel Duty:

Since the 01 Oct 2008 to 01 Sept 2009, a period of 11 months. The Fuel Duty will have increased by 05.84p/litre, bringing the total Fuel Duty to 56.19p/litre.

With the 17.5% Vat returning on 01 Jan 2010, just the Fuel Duty + VAT will equal 66.02p/litre.

From the 01 Apl 2010 until 01 Apl 2013 Fuel Duty will increase by 01.00p/litre above indexation.

At some point, something will have to give. The outlook for motorists, and Haulage Contractors looks like a bottomless pit of expense.

H. Brocklebank July 2, 2009

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A very big thank you to Learjet @ 49 & 50 for taking the time to show us how the figures stack up immensely in favour of the government. (Expenses/allowances to claim, M.P's impending huge pay rises to fund).
The sad fact is however we are powerless to do anything about it unless of course someone has a legal way to bring about change.

Learjet July 2, 2009

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Price of Oil now.

Take 103.80p/litre as avg price for Petrol.

Government Share:
Duty = 54.19p/litre.
Vat = 13.54p/litre.
Total = 67.73p/litre or 65.25%.

Company Share:
50/50 Split with Station = 05.00p/litre.
Delivery + Additives = 02.00p/litre.
Refining Costs = 05.50p/litre.
Total = 12.50p/litre or 12.04%

Cost of Crude = 23.57p/litre or 22.71%.
Four Weeks ago Contract Price was $62.00/Bbl approx.

23.57p/litre @ 1.64 Exchange Rate = $61.46/Bbl.

Once again the Government Share, outweighs the Company by a long way.

Learjet July 2, 2009

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The Barrel of Oil Myth.

Much has been made of Oil reaching $147.00/Bbl in June 2008. There is a misconception this was the price paid by Oil Companies to buy oil and refine into Road Fuel, nothing could be further from the truth.

The $147.00 mark was set by the "Futures Market" which trades Oil, but does not refine it.

The "Spot Market" reached $135.00/Bbl, but they do not refine Oil either.

The "Contract Price" is the one that counts when it comes to refining.

The avg "Contract Price" worldwide during June 2008 was £124.00/Bbl, $23.00/Bbl less than the Futures Price.
Speculators in the "Futures Market" pushed the price up by 18.55% above Contract Price.

Take the high price of Petrol @ 119.90p/litre.

Government Share:
Minus Duty at that time = 50.35p/litre.
Minus VAT at that time = 17.86p/litre.
Total = 68.21p/litre or 56.89%

Company Share:
50/50 Split with Station = 05.00p/litre.
Delivery + Additives = 02.00p/litre.
Refining Costs = 05.50p/litre.
Total = 12.50p/litre or 10.43%

Cost of Crude: = 39.19p/litre or 32.69%

39.19p/litre @ 1.99 Exchange Rate = $124.00/bbl.

The Government Share, is far greater than the Company Share.

End of Story.

John Montemayor July 2, 2009

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I don't know how you Brits put up with gas that's the equivilent of $6.50/gallon. In the US, the average price has also spiked up in the past few months to around $2.45/gallon, up from $1.45 earlier in the year. Last year gas hit $4/gal and the outrage was deafening. We practically had rioting in the streets. Miraculously, the price dropped like a stone towards the end of the year. We like to visit England but the fuel prices really put a damper on our travel options. Someone over there needs to lead a revolt against the obscene prices paid at the pump. It's ridiculous, and mostly taxes. A barrel of oil is the same price on the world market, and that's what predominantly drives the cost of gasoline.
Cheers all,
Monty

Uk Sux Cox July 1, 2009

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A recent study by the AA found a car that a car that achieves 58.15 miles per gallon travelling at a steady 30mph will deliver only 30.85mpg when going over humps. Then add to this the cost of suspension repairs.

Time for action!!!

Blow your horn every time you go over a speed bump! It will eventually annoy the neighbours so much the council might actually decide that a flat road is preferable to the constant blaring. At least if enough people do it it will have an effect!

Steve N, June 30, 2009

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Re 45 Ian,

Your idea is far, far better than "boycott this, that or the other garage" for a day/week.
Many company's however now have flexi holidays and would simply
take the lost day from your holiday entitlement.
One question simply begging for an answer:-
Are there really 20 million people actually "working" in Britain.?
A good idea nonetheless that needs a bit of fine tuning to become an excellent
idea.

Ian June 30, 2009

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How about this for a zany idea..

Everyone phones their boss on an agreed date (1 day before the end of the month say, when a lot of people are paid) using the following line

"Hi boss, can't make it in today, my car's out of petrol, and I haven't got any more money this month to buy petrol, since it's been so expensive, it's cleared me out" see you tomorrow, when my pay's come though"

If 20 million people don't turn up for work for 12 days every year, how much would that cost the Goverment?

Chris June 28, 2009

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the govenment arnt bothered about the tax rise as they get all there fuel for free or claim it back through expenses,
if they actually paid for there travel then they would surly do somthing about it as it would hit there pocket too.

if they had to pay for half the stuff us normal working people, they would be alot of changes to the tax system,

i cant see how the tax on fuel goes towards the road system as most of the roads in my area are in bad need of repair and the excuse is thats there is no money to pay for it,

probably because the local mp has used it for his own expenses.

David Robinson June 25, 2009

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Steve Wilson while i agree boycotting would make the companys think, one day wont make any differance start with a week at least, the biggest culprit is the tax man who wont care as he will still get the same revenue as people will use other companys, the only way to make them take notice is a complete boycott of all petrol stations, i contacted my local mp asked why the tax was so high,as a disabled driver it hits us as hard as anybody else, was told if you can afford to have a car then you can afford the extra taxes, suprise suprise he was one of them caught fiddling

G.brown; June 25, 2009

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40
I too would join in but Sunday morning is leg over morning, then wash the car, then go down the pub then go home for dinner.
Just too busy like you but I will be there in thought.
I suspect a lot of people will be similarly too busy and that's why it'll fall by the way.
I thought you above all Steve.M. would have made the effort, after all you're normally quite vocal.

Steve Wilson June 25, 2009

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why do we pay it
we should use only bp stations on one day and for example total on another
if we did this for a few weeks it would start hurting these big corporations hard in there pockets and soon bring the prices down
unless we make a stand soon we will lose these prices forever

Steve M June 25, 2009

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Steve N
Dont knock the protest as oak trees come from an acorn.
Start small and develop.
I would join myself but my son plays football on Sunday mornings and the petrol is quite expensive and my mother-in-law comes over for dinner and the dog needs a walk. (or is it the dog comes for dinner...)
Good luck all the same though.

Steve N, June 24, 2009

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G.Jones 38. I think this is what you're looking for.

I bet Gordon Brown et al are shaking with fear and worry about this.
(They're more than likely shaking with laughter) because the result will be the same as last years laughingly so called protest, and what did that achieve? (The answer will fit several times over on one side of a postage stamp with your full address and postcode).
Just look at events of the past month 6 weeks and you'll find that the "poor" motorists don't even make the top 100 of things to help out.

MORE than 2,000 bikers plan to bring chaos to Manchester's busiest stretch of motorway with a new protest at the rising cost of fuel.

The bikers hope to echo a similar demo last year, which saw about 1,500 motorcycles stage a go-slow on the M62 to hit out at spiralling costs of filling up at petrol stations. Last year's demonstration saw dozens of haulage, taxi firms and motorists join the bikers, causing huge delays to traffic.

Vehicles set off from Birch services, near Middleton, and headed into Manchester at a snail's pace, causing gridlock on city centre streets and the M62.

This year the bikers plan to stage the demo on Sunday, July 5, to minimise disruption to commuters. Protesters will meet at Birch services at 10am.

G Jones June 24, 2009

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I read on another forum about a radio station mentioning a protest on the M62 this July but can't find anything on the net about it.

Anybody any ideas? As I live about 2 miles from the M62 I'd love to join in with any fuel price protest.

Nigel June 24, 2009

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Well something don't work out, how can you have petrol at £1.17p per litre when oil was at $147 per barrell?


Now Oil's now priced at $0.69 per barrell, the actual exchange rate which they initialy last year blamed for the prices not coming down by as much as they should have have now gone back up so petrol should be even cheaper.

The facts are plain and simple the greedy Oil companies & supermarkets are all in it together, they are artificialy inflating the cost of a litre of petrol.

The actual cost of a litre of petrol should be about £0.67p per litre if you work things out & put on 2p a litre for the duty rise the greedy government put on.

They sneakerly put the price up bit by bit & now were all noticing it again, nothing has been said on the news about it remarkably but it won't be long.

How ever it will fall on deaf ears as we all know the vast majority of the british public can't be bothered to do owt about it. And im afraid to say it but untill we the public can be bothered just get used to paying extra & have a good old winge about it.

P.r.painter. June 22, 2009

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Comment 35 Dan;
I'm with you my friend, isn't it always the way?
If I were to bet on a one horse race it would stop for a $h1t on the way round.
Comment 30 really has hit the nail on the head, namely there is nothing we can do, although I'd be open to sensible worthwhile suggestions and as for the government doing anything to help us, forget it, with 20 million motorists in Britain we're easy pickings whatever political party is in power.
One thing I would like to see is that all foreign vehicles using our roads should pay and as they usually fill up before joining the ferry their end they rarely buy any fuel in this country so they use our roads for nothing but if we drive most places in Europe we have to pay road tolls. This loophole should be firmly closed.

Dan June 22, 2009

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After years of being told that diesel was more expensive due to a lack of capacity I finally bit the bullet and switched to a petrol car. Then what happens? There's now parity between the two prices. HOW CAN THIS BE?

Seriously flippin pi$$ed off at the cartels and the Government. Even more pi$$ed off at being able to do absolutely nothing about it :(

David Clammers-on. June 19, 2009

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THE REDACTER'S WORK HAS BEEN IN VAIN,
DAY LEE TELEGRAFF STRIKES AGAIN.

1, Obligatory TAXES. There WILL BE NO UNDER funding.
2, WE'LL SCREW MOTORISTS FOR EVERY PENNY.
3, Open policy. RAISE FUEL TAXES BI-ANNUALLY.
4, Taxation is BEST WAY TO FUND GRAVY TRAIN.
5, Alistair Darling FOLLOWS in the WAY of Gordon Brown.
6, Prime Minister CALAMITY Brown.sniffs FALSE TEARS
7 & 7a,There are several EXCUSES WE CAN USE OFTEN, GLOBAL WARMING, Also CONFUSION etc.
8 (parts) a, b, c. See sub-section 9, paragraph 4.21.3

Steve M June 19, 2009

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Hi,

Here is a confidential report proving we are being 'over-charged' for fuel.

1, Obligatory _____. There_______ ___ _____ _____ funding.
2, ____ _____ _________ ____ ______ ____.
3,Open policy ______ _______, ______ ___.
4,Taxation is ______ ______ __ _______ ________ _________.
5,Alistair Darling_____in the ______ of Gordon Brown.
6,Prime Minister ______ Brown. _____ sniffs____ _____ .
7 & 7a,There are several ______ _____ __ _____ ___,___ _____. Also ______.
8 (parts) a, b, c. See sub-section 9, paragraph 4.21.3

Some points have obviously been blanked out for security reasons.

Dazz22 June 18, 2009

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So is Goldman Sachs right?

Short answer: no one can say - predicting with certainty where markets will go is beyond most mortals, even Wall Street's finest. But there are arguments on both sides.

The factors pointing to a rise in the price of oil include China's rapid expansion and insatiable appetite for commodities, the fact that new discoveries are struggling to keep pace with demand and political uncertainty in oil-rich areas such as Russia.

On the other hand, economists would always expect demand for commodities to fall in a downturn, bringing prices down in turn. A dramatic rise in the oil price risks suffocating any recovery and so preventing a surge in demand for basic commodities, including crude.

“A severe jump in the oil price such as Goldmans are predicting would break economies,” says Mr Bosdet of the AA. “A rise of 10 per cent would be pushing it too far. Petrol at 110p could be the breaking point - that's where the economy cracked before. A rise of about 5p to 105p would be our worst case estimate.”

He adds: “Speculators are up to their old tricks, trying to talk up the oil price. But the ability to survive another bubble is lessened now, as the world has changed - credit is harder to come by, there is less easy money sloshing around.”

Mr Bosdet says a more likely price at which petrol could stabilise is about 90-95p.

GEt your facts right its 107.09 here for petrol 106.09 for diesil

re 30 i agree on some points but this is totally unreall and aa get your facts right

H. Brocklebank June 18, 2009

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@29; protests,petitions?
Oh dear, here we go again. Been there, done that,wasted the fuel and time doing it.
When petrol hit £1.25 & diesel £1.35 last summer, where did all the protestations get us? exactly nowhere!
Go slows, don't buy fuel for a day/week, don't use this garage don't use that garage, block the refineries blah, blah, blah. It's getting very boring now, and the end result = nothing, zilch, sweet F.A, pi*sing in the wind.
We just have to bite the bullet because there's NOTHING we can do.
Over 70% of the cost of fuel is made up of fuel duty & V.A.T.
How much of that go's back into the pot to help maintain the road system and the other heavily prayed upon our conscience scam "global warming"
sorry "climate change".
Very soon ALL householders with a home phone will have to pay 50p a month "tax" to fund broadband for all, lets work that out roughly for a minute
70 million people in Britain today, average 4 person family, I know some families are bigger, but some are smaller so we'll average 4 person family,
so 70 million divided by 4 = 17.5 million homes but only 90% have home phones so therefore around about 16 million 50 pence's per month = £8 million x 12 months = £96 million per year + all the businesses with more than 1 fixed telephone line. The point I'm making is, how much of that £96 million p.a. will go to the broadband initiative? and how much of our fuel taxes go's towards motoring?
I repeat there is absolutely NOTHING we can do that will change this so
lie back, think of England and be prepared for more of the same on an increasing scale.

Val June 17, 2009

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I was shocked today to find petrol back to nearly £1 a litre and to hear that the government still want to tax us more for our fuel. I propose we have a day of mass protesting again. It seems it is the only way for this government to listen to us and take our views and concerns seriously. The overtaxing is killing businesses and making peoples lives miserable because many people cant make ends meet as it is. I propose we have a mass protest on 1st July 2009 show the government we are not happy esp about petrol tax. Anyone agree?

Charlotte Galt June 17, 2009

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Well I have just come back from the petrol station and petrol is now more expensive then diesel. It's disgusting that they can hike up the prices based on an assumption.

How much more are we going to let them hike up prices? There are enough people in the UK unhappy about petrol prices, what can we do to make ourselves heard? Any ideas apart form a petition?

George Mcdonald June 16, 2009

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Market commentators are suggesting today (16th June 09) that, at around $70 per barrel, the speculators have pushed the oil price to a level that will not be sustained by the market.

The price hike is based on assumptions that the western, and world, economies are about to recover somewhat. The consensus is however, that while we may have got a few tentative green shoots, the speculators have overdone it. (Note they include merchant banks like Goldman Sachs and others plus the trading units of High Streeters like Barclays etc.)


So the oil price could fall over the next couple of months.

If as consumers we hold our consumption back now, we may get the UK retailers to cut their pump prices quicker than in the past.

It is possible to drop your annual mileage from say 20,000 to about 3,000, depending on circumstances. Think of the impact of a fair proportion of drivers doing that!

Steve M June 15, 2009

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Hi,

A lot of $hit has hit the fan recently, and as a somewhat infrequent visitor these days, I am quite surprised at the small amount of comments.

Oh well.

In Birmingham the diesel and unleaded are neck and neck at 100.9 ppl.

Soon be back to the old days where the cleaner, cheaper, greener (and all that) diesel is far cheaper than the polluting, dirty, expensive petrol.

Malcolm Pope. June 14, 2009

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#23,
Chris 100% agree, in this case it's not better the devil you know, more
a new broom sweeps clean and boy doesn't it need deep cleaning.

Dazza @ 24
I'm certain that Chris meant no offense to Scottish people in general he was
I think singling out the 2 in a million idiotic Sotts that are Brown and 2 pence in September, April etc Darling.

Dazza June 13, 2009

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re 23 with you on most bar the Scottish idiot thing im scottish so i must be and idiot 2 then 2 u

Chris June 13, 2009

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Ref: 20 & 21

Let's get these lying b@st@rds out of Westminster and elect a decent Government.

I realize the Conservatives have "Blood on their own Hands" in the expenses row but I'd rather have David Cameron running the Government than this Scottish Idiot.

Alexander Bond June 12, 2009

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Quite right *21. three times.

But who really wants to pay Duty as well as VAT for the one thing well it can only be mugs can be easily coned, but if they cancel VAT out they’ll surely rise one of them to cover it in this country or is it happen else where in the world I don't think so.

When it comes to September 2p is added on Duty again and the garages will be topping up another 2p or more to cover their greed at the same time.

One thing I noticed the stores rise their prices when the pumps go up never lower them whenever come down always up to cover their big bonuses each year.

Malcolm Pope. June 12, 2009

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*20
We're actually taxed 3 times:-
1. Fuel duty.
2. V.A.T.
3. Vehicle excise duty (tax disc).

I read somewhere that when the M.P's expenses irregularities are ironed out and abolished they'll award themselves a massive pay rise (50% or more) to
cover the loss, so MORE tax increases x 3 are definitely on the cards for us motorists.

Peter Purcell June 12, 2009

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With oil today at $72 a barrel we are paying £102.9 for UL but the other year when we was paying £1.20 it was $150.

The price for a barrel of oil is half but we still pay 85% tax on a litre and dont forget your road TAX aswell so the motorists get taxed TWICE.

Easy money for the government as petrol is one of the few things that rarely goes down in price and it is only with the lorry drivers help that we can get the price down again.

One other thing is that when the government bring in more toll roads that is more tax we will pay just to drive a car.

The government want there 85% tax and the money in there pockets aswell as fiddling the public by getting them to pay for there stuff and they only say "SORRY I WILL PAY IT ALL BACK" after they get caught but they dont say "SORRY YOU ARE PAYING TO MUCH FOR FUEL HERE IS SOME MONEY BACK BY PUTTING PRICES DOWN".




Marcel Sarjant June 11, 2009

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I have just past the TOTAL garage at the end of my road and unleaded petrol is now 104.9 with diesel 106.9. What the bl...ey hell is going on! We are told that crude oil prices are half the price it was when fuel was this price. How does this government think they can keep telling us fuel prices are going down. Come on mr.Darling pull the other one. Just another angry motorist.

Maurice John June 11, 2009

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Fuel prices are still climbing steadily. The fuel esculator is soon to kick in. An yet the HMRC have just announced that the amount my company can pay me per mile has to drop by a penny per mile (I get paid per business mile I drive) - in my job I can't car share or use public transport as my clients are so wide spread - yet again we, the public, are being hit... stealth taxation by the back door puts all prices up. Is the current government intent on driving us all off the roads and out of work?

Din0 June 8, 2009

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I'm sure you all understand that the government need to make a certain amount of money to pay for the running of the country and that is why we pay tax.

Sadly the motorist gets hit hardest when it comes to tax. This is an easy way for the government to make their money because none of us want to stop using our cars and the government know we will pay no matter what the price of fuel is.

People are now changing to more fuel efficient cars so they get more miles for their cash and because of this people are using less fuel, which means the government are not getting as much back in tax. The government then have to put the price up again to compensate this. So you're back to square one paying exactly the same as you were each year when you had your gas guzzler a few years back. The only good thing is that the fuel efficient car is better for the environment.

You cannot win! If everyone sold their cars and used public transport, then the price of a bus/train ticket will shoot up with added tax to compensate the discrepancy.

The fact is that the government need to bring in a certain amount of money to pay for the running of the country and the easiest way to do this, at the moment, is through the motorist. I hate it as much as everyone, but nothing can be done about it.

Clarky June 7, 2009

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number 10 blog
I live in Birmingham and cannot find any garages selling at 108.9 for diesel.
The dearest is 105.9 but the average is 100.9
Why exagerate?

Ian Rampton June 7, 2009

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Time to buy that Honda CBF125. 130mpg at 60mph sounds pretty good to me. I'm sick of getting ripped off by this government.

Dan Walker June 6, 2009

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I remember when petrol went back to 87p a litre and i was so happy! I have a 2.0l 4X4 which produces LESS co2 then my Lexus GS300 which is a 3.0L and it is cheaper to tax!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW IS THT FAIR????????

This corrupted country is finished. I am moving to the middle east shortly and enjoying 22p a litre petrol.

Dazza June 5, 2009

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I dont care whats what the price is too dear simple as that

Nikky.j. June 4, 2009

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Re11
The diesel motorists have been supplementing the petrol motorists for far too long. Up until recently relatively speaking, diesel was always cheaper than petrol and it's only in very recent years that this altered.
Would it be too much to hope for that the cleaner, cheaper to produce diesel once again falls below the price of petrol.

M. June 4, 2009

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@1

Taz Meg,

"then passed on to the retailer who also gets greedy"

maybe you would like to talk to a 'greedy retailer' and ask how much money they are making on unl? There answer will be a loss for the last several weeks.

@6

David,

"There is no reason for the price to be this high as it's all controlled by the crude oil price per Barrel"

Your incorrect, the price of oil actually makes up only a small % of the price, the largest chunk of the price is tax + Vat which is over 70%

Use the resources of this site and educate yourself. This site has all the info available.

Has anyone not noticed that while unleaded has gone up, diesel has stayed the same or even gone down in areas?

Richard Butcher June 4, 2009

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when's the petrol strike going to happen, i will join in, we had an effective strike last time when fuel reached 79p, i drive derv and its 108.9 in places here in birmingham, noi need. pound is good against dollar and crude barrel is low, robbing f@ckers!!

i have to use the car to go to work, 75 miles round trip for lousey pay after being made redundent earlier in year, any more rises and i'll be back on £58 per week dole money.

i noticed after the recent fuel tax increase that the explanation from our loverly government was as we all used less fuel recently they had to make up the shortfall and raise taxes, we cant win, if we use lots of fuel we get taxed and they claim we need to be greener (green tax) and if we cut back they tax us to make up shortfall,. we all need to stop listening to green tax and make our own minds up ( any governement = greedy tax), polls day today any one voting

sorry about the rant!

George Mcdonald June 3, 2009

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Thank goodness there is at least some action going on to address speculation on the oil price.


This appeared in the in the Financial Times (FT) yesterday: June 2 2009 11:59 | Last updated: June 2 2009 23:34:

Commodity markets experienced a “bubble” last year according to Gary Gensler, the new chairman of the the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, who signalled on Tuesday that US regulators would adopt a tougher stance towards futures trading.

“We . . . experienced, in my view, an asset bubble in commodity prices,” Mr Gensler told the Senate. “I believe that commodity index funds and other financial investors participated in the commodity asset bubble.”


US public opinion and action is significant for all of us since it is the huge US market for oil that largely sets the world price from day to day.

Anger in the Senate and House of Representatives last summer and autumn, over the gouging of the oil price, was only exceeded by that for all the Bankers who effectively destroyed the world's financial systems so causing the the present global recession.

We all need to support more action like this.

Get Real June 3, 2009

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Re: No7 who has obviously spent a lot of time at Newbury digging tunnels and so on.....do you think we are stupid?

A lot of us do these things already, but still need to find ways to get around. For myself, I can manage to walk to work and use public transport, but then I have to use a car for other journeys (you didn't want to hear that bit did you?). Even though I am an infrequent car user, I cannot help but feel that I am being practically 'b*gg**ed up the b*mhol* by the treasury who take more from the motorists than 'big oil'.

Little of this goes on transport, and the little of it that does is spent on tinkering with the odd pointless bus or cycle lane here which serves to rob motorists of roadspace, not create a decent bus route, forests of signage and use up the european thermoplastic paint mountain on pointless acres of white-lining and hatching, carried out by road crews who have obviously attended the Stevie Wonder School of roadmarking (which always look pi$$3d).

Public transport - yes we need it - as long as it serves a purpose, as some of it does. But then we also need cars when public transport cannot do the job as well, and inevitably we will need some more roads to accommodate travel demend. I accept that we cannot solve congestion purley by road building, but then I do not agree that new roads increases congestion. I've yet to see congestion on the A74(M) as it runs through the borders of Scotland 15 years after it was completed - I used this road the last Bank Holiday and it was almost empty.

As for peak oil - rises in oil prices has been caused by a number of factors other than demand and supply, such as market speculation and so on which has articficially raised prices and is doing so again. This does not necessarily mean that peak oil os happening now. It may happen sooner or later. But then saying that the world will end is not helpful and typical of a far left eco-loony. Biofuels are becoming more and more promising with much potential in algae as a feedstock to replace petroleum, vurtually as a drop-in replacement to crude. To some extent high oil prices will provide more incentives for this to become developed and scaled-up, but this also needs a policy focus too. Surely making so-called unsustainable transport such as cars and aviation sustianable is an easier approch to someone on a moral high ground telling us all to throw our car keys in the bin.

So tha age of cheap oil may be comeing to a close - but this will soon give way to a bio-fuel era based on recycling CO2 - bring it on. We will still be driving. For those that don't want us to for whatever excuse and reason - get used to it!


Why Are You All So Stupid June 3, 2009

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Austerity? Coming to a street near you in the immediate future?

Yes folks, we've finally reached 'peak everything'.

It's time to end our addiction to oil and here's how we can do it:

1. Stop deluding ourselves. The era of cheap, readily-available oil has ended. Prices may fluctuate, but the underlying trend is up, up, up. We have to get used to using less.

2. Demand that politicians take the issue seriously. Make it an election issue. Don't take 'we've got everything under control' as an answer.

3. Stop building new roads. They're a monumental waste of money, time and effort. They encourage, rather than ease congestion and besides, the growth in car travel that's used to justify them isn't going to happen anyway.

4. Divert that money and effort into measures that address the challenges of oil depletion and climate change.

5. Make a major investment in public transport. It needs to be better, faster, more comfortable, more regular and more predictable. It needs to cater for everyone, not just peak-hour commuters though they need a better service as well.

6. Make a major investment in broadband internet to allow more people to work from home and change tax and business practices that discourage working from home. The more car trips we can avoid, the better.

7. Electrify transport where possible. We should be electrifying commuter rail where it is not already electric and using light rail (trams) in the cities. On the other end of the scale, electric bikes and scooters can make a big difference in our cities. And electric cars show promise, though there's a lot of questions to be answered yet.

8. Don't use cars unless there's no alternative. Take the bus. Take the train. Switch to a scooter. Walk or cycle - both your wallet and your doctor will thank you.

9. Deal with other aspects of our oil dependence. Agriculture, for example, is highly dependent on oil. We're going to need to change the way we grow and distribute food. Let's get to work on that now, not wait until supermarket shelves start to empty.

10. Stockpile or manufacture vital products currently imported from overseas. When oil runs short, will that still be possible? Let's take stock now and work out what we may need to start stockpiling or making (again) in the UK.

11. Think local. Ending our oil addiction isn't just up to central government, though it can play its part. Communities can work together to make themselves more resilient. Join or start a Transition Towns group in your local area.

12. Accept reality. The age of cheap oil is over. It's not coming back. As individuals and as a nation, we have to adapt.

To Summarise:

Stop whining and whinging about fuel costs and start preparing for a new life of austerity.

Find local employment. Reduce your debts. Reduce your fuel consumption. Grow your own vegetables or buy from local suppliers. Exercise regularly. Insulate your home.

Help your family, friends and colleagues to understand the implications of Peak Oil.

David June 2, 2009

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There is no reason for the price to be this high as it's all controlled by the crude oil price per Barrel which today is $68 which isen't too bad but again oil compaines + C**p goverment means we foot the bil with tax how much do we have to pay to Gordon brown to pay his mortgages rant over

Chris June 2, 2009

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your all right here we go again. Over 104 in my area. is there anyway we can force this failing "govenment" to reduce the prices of fuel permanently Not give with one hand and take away with the other? Rather than these see-saw policies they impose on everyone else and live the life of Reily themselves.

Andrew June 2, 2009

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If this goverment was interested in the welfare of the driver of green cars why have they put of gas in fuel stations up so much, then they show concern to the the car industry by pumping in millions to support bankruptcy then tax the life out of the people who drive to work to keep this country's economy going, we should be protesting in the cities and bring them to a standstill a couple of days a week to show them who is reliant on the car them or us

Mark Strainge June 2, 2009

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It maybe easier to cut back on the car in the cities, like London for example but when living in the countryside is cheaper and the public transport is poor then there is no other way but to drive.

But I guess the government has got to fund the black hole that has been created by MP's claiming large expenses, as I bet the money from fuel doesn't go on bettering transport, well not in the rural areas anyway.

James White June 2, 2009

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This was bound to happen again!
How much do these idiots want off us, can they not see the state the countries in! Its about time we protest and do something about it!

As for car sharing, no thanks I dont fancy getting stabbed or car jacked. STOP RIPPING US OFF NOW!!!!

Lets just wait for the "peak oil" t##t to come along now

Tez Mag June 2, 2009

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Here we go again!!!! £0.99p a litre and rising...thats £0.15p in the past 8 weeks......If it costs 30p top process a litre of then a mark up of a similar amount would be acceptable...but no the government has to be greedy...and the greed is then passed on to the retailer who also gets greedy.......If we had the same prcedure with food we would all starve to death!!!!

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