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It is likely that the filling stations are trying to gain back profits lost when the prices went up just before the Xmas periods, if the stations had put it up then they would be in the media the next day as 'profiteering' from the snow and bad weather.

Again let's say a garage operated for nothing, staff worked for love and the council gave free tax, the price would be 2-6ppl cheaper.

Guys, use the the info available, even this site itself shows the % of the cost that the filling station makes up.

Oil prices are dropping? Why then, has the price of unleaded in my local Asda gone up over 6.5% in the last month? This is after the increase caused by the VAT rate increase!

So oil has been consistently falling over the last 3 weeks to the tune of $10 per barrel so what is causing the delay in the drop on forecourts? I wonder?

"What do you mean, it is like that - goes up by 2p per litre daily!"

it can fill like that, use the average price on this site to find out what your local garage pricing is like. I'm not saying every garage is fair with pricing but the majority are, unfortunately garages often get more bad press than they deserve, even if by some miraculous method the garage ran for no profit at all, you are likely to be looking at 2-5ppl cheaper with the majority of garages. I presume you realise by looking at this site were the majority of the cost of fuel comes from?


"further north you go the cheaper fuel gets???? why is that??.."

There can be a difference in the region of 1/1.5ppl attributed to the distribution cost of the fuel, i.e. Sites further away have a higher distribution cost than ones nearer the terminal.

£1.169 is a little excessive with today's prices, but you can look at the average price yesterday of 1.12 to work that out :)

hi every 1...i live close to the border between northen ireland and the rep of ireland (Newry) and the price of fuel has been going up and up for ages now!!...in our local stations you pay £1.16/17 per litre (petrol and deisel) and locally pll are outraged at this. i have started a group on facebook recently (the price of fuel is a F**KIN joke in NEWRY/northern ireland! sort it out!...please join if ya can!) and we have had a great response from ppl across the north of ireland and the further north you go the cheaper fuel gets???? why is that??..how can petrol be £104.9 in glengormly (near belfast) and be £1.17 in newry!!! i for 1 am sick to my back teeth of the price rise in fuel and i will be trying my hardest to bring this to the general public attention instead of it being 'another thing' people take on the chin!

Quote: Garages and the supply chain would be unable to cope if the garages responded to the daily changes, also customers would be miffed to find it 108 on Monday 112 on wednesday and 110 at the weekend.

What do you mean, it is like that - goes up by 2p per litre daily!

The price has come down in the last week yes,
but since before Xmas it was going up, it even went over $80

If the garage went up 8ppl or so then yes it could move it down, I suspect however your local garage went up however 3-4ppl so the profit they lost when they were slow to put it up will now be recovered by being 'slow' to put it down.

Garages and the supply chain would be unable to cope if the garages responded to the daily changes, also customers would be miffed to find it 108 on Monday 112 on wednesday and 110 at the weekend. Would also be difficult to staff needing 1 staff somedays and 5 staff the next because the price has swung.

The price of oil has fallen considerably in the last week and the pound is up against the dollar. So why is petrol still going up? I wonder!

Can someone please expain to me, barring government VAT and taxes etc, when the price of a barrel of oil is now lying at $72 a barrel (gone down over $10 in the last 2 weeks), how our petrol price is still sky high. Where I live in Redcar Tescos is £1.12p per litre, which is up around 4p in the past few weeks.
I'm an intelligent guy but cannot work out how they can continue to keep the prices too high !!

Regards
Paul

P.S> love the site, thank you

Hi,

The average diesel price in Birmingham is around £1.09ltr.

One Garage near Bearwood on the A456 is charging £1.39ltr. (How. Why?)

Needless to say its forecourt was empty as the station a few hundred yards away had a fair size queue.

RE 140 Jay Boyd
This site depends on information being sent on a daily basis to keep updated.
You may find in reality it is a couple of days behind at best.

Hello to Adrian John Bell. I hope things are OK.

thank you for all you emails this has saved me a fortune i much appriciate it keep up the good work

this website is wrong on the prices in derby sainsburys deisel is not £1.05 per L it is £1.07 per L which is a 2p hipe since yesterday

Merry Christmas to you all (especially those of you who don't buy supermarket fuel).
And, yes I have a few bags of rock-salt left for sale.
All the best

Steve

When VAT returns to 17.5% on January 1st 2010 .. why will it be applied to road fuels?

The government made sure that road fuels did not benefit from the reduction in VAT to the 15% rate by increasing fuel duty at the time.

What should happen is that fuel duty is reduced, and VAT is increased on fuel the 1st of January 2010.

Resulting in NO PRICE CHANGE!

Hi,

Adrian, Good to hear from you.

My Mother-In-Law (bless her) has a similar plan except she shops for the next Christmas in January and February.
Each to their own I suppose.

All the Christmas decorations are up now. I am doing my bit towards saving the planet.

All the lights on the outside of the house are 24v and use less energy than the lamposts which the council have kindly refused to repair since September.

We are doing our bit for the community too by lighting up half the area.

If you pass Birmingham on the M5 near Jcn 2 and see a large glow on the darkened horizon, chances are it's my place.

Adrian. A very merry Christmas to you and your family.

Speak soon.

Steve M.
A very merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year to you as well my dearest friend.

As usual spot on on in #135.

The following is not "on topic" with fuel prices but as most supermarkets now sell high value goods cheaper to entice you in AND to buy their crappy
fuel this is something to bare in mind:-

You buy it before Christmas, when it costs £80. By Boxing Day, it costs £40. By mid-January, it's £20. It's like the shops know we need to buy gifts by Christmas Day, or something.

The only way to avoid this rip-off is to keep receipts for everything you buy, and double-check all the prices when the sales start. As long as the items are in good condition and you've kept the original packaging, you can probably get away with returning anything that's dropped in price, (sorry I bought 1 of these and great aunt Flo bought us 1 as well and we don't need 2) and then simply buying it again later in the day at the sale price.
A double whammy at Tesco's is they can't take back the double clubcard points for the original purchase either.

Winner!

This will work more often than not and 4 for the price of 1 makes up slightly for the year round rip off off fuel prices.

All the best to all.
A.J.B.

Hi,

It seems you are all missing the point concerning the supermarkets drop in fuel prices.

A) It's nearly Christmas. They want your money at the till.
B) Supermarket fuel is cheap and nasty. Buy from Shell, Esso, etc. More miles per gallon. Kinder on the engine and the environment.
C) It's nearly Christmas. THEY WANT YOUR MONEY.

Seasons Greetings to All.

Adrian John Bell. Merry Christmas my friend.

You seem to have overlooked a few points.

1. This time last year Oil was at $36.00/Bbl

2. The exchange rate was 1.47 Dollar vs Pound.

3. VAT had dropped to 15% from 17.5%

4. In two weeks 17.5% will come back into force.
The reductions will be nearly cancelled out.

Message from Press Association 4.35am Saturday 12 December 2009:

'Motorists are benefiting from lower petrol prices after Asda announced a cut of up to 3p a litre at its pumps.

Campaigners said they hoped the move would spark a price war among other retailers to pass on the drop in wholesale oil prices to customers.

Asda said drivers filling up at its 179 forecourts across the UK would pay no more than 103.9 pence per litre for unleaded and 105.9 pence per litre for diesel.'


Note that the oil price closed at about $69.80 per barrel on Friday evening.
It has fallen about $15 a barrel from its recent maximum of about $84pb in mid October '09.

This time last year, when the barrel price fell below $70, UK pump prices moved to 99.9p per litre of unleaded then moved on down to a minimum of about 84.9p per litre over the next 8 weeks. (We'd need to add about 3p to these prices to cover 2009 tax rises, so 87.9p a litre should now be achievable.)

its no use just moaning about prices going up and up we need to do what we did the last time fuel went to over £1 per litre

Can anyone tell me...how do I revert to plain text email alerts instead of HTML?

26.11.09

Just an observation, Tesco petrol is 1.07 while all other supermarket forecourts are at 1.05. Petrol is expensive enough, we dont, mind a profit margin but help us cash strapped drivers

Its nice to see the blogs are up to date on here.... 06/2009 and its now what 11/09... Wheres all the fuss about the price of petrol that went off 18 months ago. Looks like this site has given up on what the average joe wants

126

So the Government should susidise fuel prices? In other words, all tax payers should subsidise fuel prices? No thanks - you want to consume more then you pay for it chum!

So using more fuel and spending more money in the shops on stuff you don't need is the answer? I think you'll find it's more likely the problem!

"3. The weak dollar, which encourages traders to inflate the barrel price." You really haven't got a clue what you're writing about have you?

@126

"Rising UK pump prices seem to stem just now from
1. Local action by retailers to charge as much as they can (certainly no less, or barely less, than their competitors within about 3 miles)"

How much do you honestly think retailers are making?
I would be really interested to know your answer, i doubt you will be close because if you know you certainly would not make that 1st point.

Rising UK pump prices seem to stem just now from
1. Local action by retailers to charge as much as they can (certainly no less, or barely less, than their competitors within about 3 miles)
2. The renewed enthusiasm of worldwide (and our own) sp1vs, speculators and city sl1ckers to gouge up the dollar price of a barrel of oil; including the likes of participants within Goldman Sachs and the commodity trading rooms of our UK banks, which we all part own.
and ...
3. The weak dollar, which encourages traders to inflate the barrel price.

What could be done?
Despite the gouged up oil price fuel reserves just noware high. OPEC (and within it particularly Saudi Arabia) is now murmuring about raising output, thus raising reserves still higher to put pressure on the market to cause prices to drop somewhat.

That might help a bit, but what about a good old UK prices (but not incomes) policy? Why not lobby Government to set the pump price for petrol this month at £99.9p?

Motorists would be happy. The more healthy retailers would be happy (they'd sell much more).

With the economic recovery that's just started, we'd all be able to spend a little more in the shops for Christmas, helping the UK on towards the 4% per annum growth that's projected by this time next year.

Seems like a win-win-win solution.

Prices are creeping up still. If the rises since I picked up my Prius in August are carried over the year, it makes the annual rate for fuel inflation just shy of 40%. This is diabolical in a global recession and as it hits the RPI in 3-6 months time will start a fresh cycle of bust. And we can't afford this one, let alone another.

oil touched $80 again today, I paid £15 for BP ultimate Diesel as I have a 306 estate 2.0 HDI so it is fussy on fuel (hates sainsbury's and tesco diesel which why they are banned from my vehicle) it loves morrisons, BP :) and asdas,
I paid 111.9 on Tudor street (peeps from cardiff know where i mean)
why has oil risen so much in the last few months, there is a glut in supply,
someone give the speculators a kick up the backside, and also People, lets protest, against high fuel, I'm up for it and willing to lead :) GO BP Ult Derv :)

today. 09/11/09 unleaded now stands at £108.99 a litre,
why has it risen so much in the last couple of weeks?
when is this going to stop?
and why does no one seem to be doing anything about it?

I feel they should give some sort of discout on petrol depending on your job. I'm 18 and struggle to keep my car running with the price of petrol aswell as tax and insurance. Wish someone would take pitty on us and lower the price someday

Richard

Give me 6 examples of French protests: What they were about, what they did, what the consequences were for the public and what was achieved for the protestors? All this talk of "doing it like the French" is bar talk - passed on and on without a shred of evidence. Equally, the population of the UK generally gets on with life rather than just moaning (although a short stay in these blogs might make you think otherwise).

Lead in emissions is a totally different problem to CO2 - this is hardly rocket science. Lead was reduced/removed because it's a poison to humans and animals, CO2 has a direct impact on climate change.

We can all moan as much as we like because it will never make any difference, besides all we English do is moan, moan, moan!! And even when we do decide to protest at the cost of fuel we can’t even do that right!!! We end up with a few hundred lorry’s taking part in an ORGANISED PEACEFUL gathering in London!!! Where does that get us? Nowhere!!! We should take a very close look at how the French do it, they give NO warning of what their protest will involve and they end up blocking major roads and cities!! This is the ONLY way to get the government to listen and take note. And as for the excuse that we hear all the time when the government out up fuel duty “it’s for the environment”... “to encourage everyone to go green”... WHAT A BLOODY EXCUSE!!!! Correct me if I’m wrong but does everyone remember back in the 80’s (or 90.s) when the government phased out 4 star fuel and introduced “Unleaded Fuel” telling us it was much more environmentally friendly and all the praise we saw on TV regarding this new clean fuel. If that was the case then why are we STILL hearing the SAME excuse about helping the planet and going green? When you look back at this then you will realise that no mater what clean fuel they bring in, even if they invented a fuel with ZERO emissions they would STILL give us the same excuse to tax us to the hilt!!!

A new report highlights how woefully unprepared the Government is for a looming peak in oil production.

There is a 'significant risk' that conventional oil production will peak before 2020, and forecasts that delay the event beyond 2030 are based on assumptions that are 'at best optimistic and at worst implausible'.

So says a major new report that puts the excitement over recent ‘giant’ oil discoveries into perspective and directly contradicts the British government’s position. It also warns that failure to recognise the threat of peak oil could undermine efforts to combat climate change.

The report, entitled 'Global Oil Depletion: An assessment of the evidence for a near-term peak in global oil production', comes from the UK Energy Research Centre, an independent group funded by the Research Councils, whose mission is to resolve contentious technical issues and deliver clear guidance for policymakers.

This report is significant because it is the first dispassionate academic attempt to reconcile the highly polarised debate over whether and when oil supplies will start to decline, yet its conclusions chime with a growing number of recent forecasts that warn of an early peak in production.

'This is an important conclusion,' says Steven Sorrell, of Sussex University’s Science Policy Research Unit, and lead author of the report, 'because the worst impacts of oil depletion could come sooner than the worst impacts of climate change. Both are important, but depletion has been largely ignored by policymakers'.

What's the evidence?

The UKERC set out to assess the evidence that conventional oil production will be limited by physical depletion of the geological resource, as opposed to ‘above-ground’ constraints such as a lack of investment or resource nationalism, before 2030.

After reviewing the data, they found there were large uncertainties, and that peak oil forecasting techniques were often too pessimistic about future supply. Yet they concluded the information was good enough to assess the risk of global oil depletion, and that the peak of conventional production was 'likely' before 2030.

The main reason is the relentless treadmill imposed on the industry by the falling output of most existing fields, as a result of falling reservoir pressures and a long-term decline in the size of the fields being discovered. The UKERC found that total production from existing fields is declining at 4 per cent or more each year, meaning the world has to add 3 million barrels of daily production capacity annually just to stand still, equivalent to developing a new Saudi Arabia every three years. This will present 'a major challenge, even if ‘above-ground’ conditions are favourable', says the report.

Once the economy comes out of recession, satisfying demand growth would usually require another 1 million barrels of daily production capacity each year.

The report also puts the breathless reporting of recent discoveries in the Gulf of Mexico and offshore Brazil into a more sober context. BG’s Guara field, discovered last month, contains 2 billion barrels of recoverable oil and was lauded as a ‘supergiant’, prompting some pundits to claim such finds would banish peak oil for decades.

However, the UKERC argues that each additional 1 billion barrels delays peak oil by less than a week. To postpone the peak by a year would take 7 times what was discovered in 2007. 'We’re unlikely to explore our way out of this,' says Sorrell.

Heads in the sand?

The report also implicitly challenges the British Government’s position on peak oil. In response to an online petition last year, the Government insisted there is enough oil for the 'foreseeable future', and that reserves will meet rising demand until 'at least 2030'.

The Government also refuses to conduct a risk assessment that peak oil might come before 2020, despite maintaining a comprehensive risk assessment and rapid response network for an outbreak of smallpox, which it admits has already been eradicated.

But the UKERC concludes the risk of a conventional peak before 2020 is significant and, given the long lead times needed to develop alternatives, requires serious consideration.

'If you don’t even recognize the problem you will inevitably be unprepared,' says Sorrell. 'The Government needs to wake up to oil depletion and start planning, because it’s going to mean major changes infrastructure, investment and lifestyles'.

The Government bases its view on the work of the International Energy Agency, which forecasts conventional oil will peak in 2020, but which argues that rising output from non-conventional sources, such as the Canadian tar sands, will push the overall production peak out to 'around 2030'. The UKERC report does not address the potential for non-conventional oil, but the numbers in the report show how unlikely it is that they will defer the peak for long, because of the sheer size of the hole left by conventional depletion.

The UKERC report shows that two thirds of current oil production capacity – 60 million barrels per day - must be replaced by 2030 before allowing for demand growth. By contrast, non-conventional resources are expensive and difficult to produce and unlikely to expand by anything like that much. One of the most optimistic industry forecasts for tar sands production, for instance, from energy consultancy IHS CERA, shows output reaching 6.3 mb/d by 2035.

'But by then we’ll need to add around ten times that much capacity without allowing for any growth in demand,' says Sorrell, 'so it’s very hard to see non-conventionals riding to the rescue. We haven’t demonstrated it in the report, but I think it’s likely that conventional peak oil will turn out to be peak oil full stop'.

Peak oil: bad for climate change?

As the UN climate talks in Bangkok reach their climax tomorrow – the penultimate round before the crucial Copenhagen summit in December - the UKERC warns that running short of oil may actually be bad for global warming. The report notes that climate policy assessments generally make no reference to oil depletion and frequently rely on optimistic oil price assumptions, which Sorrell says are unjustified. Further oil price spikes could tip the economy into recession again, sapping climate change efforts to mitigate climate change of political will and financial resources.

Peak oil could also hamper attempts to mitigate climate change by creating a strong incentive to exploit vast deposits of carbon intensive non-conventional oils – even though they are unlikely to fill the gap in time.

The report comes amid a growing consensus that the oil supply will fail to meet demand far sooner than 2020 for ‘above-ground’ reasons. Both the IEA and Christophe de Margerie, chief executive of Total, have warned of a supply crunch in the next few years as demand recovers, because of shrinking investment in new production capacity following the collapse of the oil price. Bankers Morgan Stanley recently predicted that tightening supply will push oil price back up to $105 per barrel by 2012, while analysts Douglas-Westwood have noted that an oil price of more than $80/bbl sends the US into recession.

Welcome words?

The UKERC report has been broadly welcomed by depletion experts, who urged the Government to act on it. Christopher Patey, chairman of the Oil Depletion Analysis Centre, and a former executive with Mobil, said 'this excellent report exposes the British Government’s position on peak oil for what it really is – obstinate denial in the face of the growing evidence, and a reckless gamble on all our futures'.

Jeremy Leggett, convenor of the UK Industry Taskforce on peak Oil and Energy Security, said:
'Having rejected the concerns of a cross-section of British industry about a peak in global oil production in the next decade, hopefully the government will listen to the concerns of the country's premier energy research establishment.'

'This is the right report at the right time,' said Bernie Bulkin, Energy and Transport Commissioner at the Sustainable Development Commission and former chief scientist for BP, who introduced the report at its launch yesterday. 'The Government should look at how we can run our economy effectively and efficiently without oil,' he said in an interview. 'It means electrification of road transport, and then making electricity zero carbon'.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Energy and Climate Change said: 'Government met with UKERC in July to discuss their initial findings – we’re interested in their report and will assess their conclusions closely'.

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Article by David Strahan - The Ecologist - 8th October 2009.


David Strahan is author of The Last Oil Shock, a trustee of the Oil Depletion Analysis Centre, and served on the Expert Group of advisors to the UKERC report.

Oil has now hit 76 dollars per barrel expect to pay 110.09 for petrol withing the next few days watch the goverment crumble when people cant afford to get to work this country is going to the dogs because they fk it up we pay the price

Time for a wind up.

Why not put a giant clock spring in a car then fully wind it.
Release the tension of the spring and the wheels start turning causing a second giant clock spring to wind fully; when the first spring is fully unwound the second spring takes over the propulsive force thereby winding the first spring again and so on so forth.(Who said morphine and whiskey don't mix)?
I bet in some far off shore in a garden shed is a little Japanese man hard at work on this even as we speak. lol.
They all laughed at Christopher Columbus when he said the world was round.

Back to serious matters.
As M points out diesel does tend to go up at this time of the year because of the increased demand for heating oil, the trouble is it seldom comes down again when warmer times arrive, though at the moment the pricing structure seems to have gone awry.
Steve M, how are you keeping my friend?

Diesel is around 2pl more at the moment wholesale.

Some garages will put both grades the same and use a higher profit on ul to keep diesel a similiar price to unl

Other garages will put diesel up to reflect the increase in cost price but won't put up the unl to compensate for it.

Diesel price typicaly goes up this time of year as people prepare for the winter months ahead. Nothing new in this really.

around my area. we got 104.9 unl and 106.9 diesel at one station while another has 105.9 for both, you can see which garage does which method.

Hi,

It's a funny old world.

All the Shell garages within a 20 mile search have lowered diesel to £1.02pl.

The two local garages BP and Esso have put theirs UP to £1.04pl.

It's a funny old world indeed.

Hi,

RE 113. Mr Hugger.

The "outdated teachings of the oil process will have to be re-thought" bit was aimed at the whole process. Dinosaurs and plankton all dying in only a few large areas and millions of years later they produce oil.
Don't seem right somehow.

Gone fishing.

Re112

"If it is true then all outdated teachings of the oil process will have to be re-thought."

Why? You can get methane from a cow's backside, you can get methane from landfill. Why does oil have to be either/or - why not both?

Love your optimism: believe the unlikely and disbelieve the likely!

Hi,

Take a few minutes to read this.

Abiotic Oil?
Tuesday, 28. July 2009, 07:19:35

geology, mantle, oil and gas

There is widespread evidence that petroleum originates from biological processes. Whether hydrocarbons (oil and gas) can also be produced from abiogenic precursor molecules under the high-pressure, high-temperature conditions characteristic of the upper mantle remains a disputed question.

A hypothesis that oil can be created by non-biological mechanisms originated in Russian and Ukrainian scientific circles in the 1950s. Put briefly, it proposed that petroleum forms deep in the Earth’s mantle under extremely high pressure and temperature through a reaction between carbonates, iron oxides and water. This process goes on continuously, and the petroleum migrates upwards through the lithosphere. At issue is the formation of complex hydrocarbons. There has never been any doubt that simple hydrocarbons such as methane can be formed by inorganic processes.

If true it was speculated it might be possible to find oil deep under the Siljan Impact Crater (Sweden), and they drilled here in the 1980’s and 1990’s, among other things in the hope to find oil. The hypothesis went that (inorganic) methane (gas) migrates upwards from the mantle and transforms into oil in the upper crust in igneous rocks (like granite). The Siljan ring is a crater of granitic rocks overlain by soil formed by a large meteorite impact 360 million years ago. The impact was postulated to have created fractures at great depth through which gas and oil would have been able to migrate. Although a little bit of oil was found, the drilling was more or less a failure – as far as oil and gas is concerned. Many scientists (though not everybody) thought that that was the final end of the abiotic oil story.

Apparently the dream has been awakened again.


As I said Scientists have debated for years whether some of our oil and gas (hydrocarbons) could also have been created deeper in the Earth and formed without organic matter. Now for the first time, according to a study published in the July 26, advanced on-line issue of Nature Geoscience, scientists have found that ethane and heavier hydrocarbons can be synthesised under the pressure-temperature conditions of the upper mantle —the layer of Earth under the crust and on top of the core

Using a diamond anvil cell and a laser heat source, scientists first subjected methane to pressures exceeding 20 thousand times the atmospheric pressure at sea level and temperatures ranging from 704°C to over 1 227 °C. These conditions mimic those found 65 to 150 km deep inside the Earth. The methane reacted and formed ethane, propane, butane, molecular hydrogen, and graphite. The scientists then subjected ethane to the same conditions and it produced methane. The transformations suggest heavier hydrocarbons could exist deep down. The reversibility implies that the synthesis of saturated hydrocarbons is thermodynamically controlled and does not require organic matter.

The results from the study seem to support the suggestion that hydrocarbons heavier than methane can be produced by abiogenic processes in the upper mantle.

Reference:
Kolesnikov et al.
Methane-derived hydrocarbons produced under upper-mantle conditions
Nature Geoscience
Published online: 26 July 2009
doi:10.1038/ngeo591
***********************

Interesting reading.

If it is true then all outdated teachings of the oil process will have to be re-thought.

All the old thinkers will be bought kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

Perhaps Tescos are leading the way already and charging at what could be the true value of £0.40 pl.

Even if oil were abiotic our government would use the 'enviromentally unfriendly petrol fumes' as an excuse to raise taxes and duty to unprecedented heights to 'save the planet' which is IMO going through a natural occurance that has been proven to have happened many times before.

Adrian, its good to hear from you. My freezer is stocked with 'Brains Faggots'
I have been told by a dietician at the hospital to enjoy plenty of red cabbage as this contains polyphenals which apparently help reduce brain cell damage.
Also spinach is good for the old grey matter as well.

As for the Brains beer, it would have to be the 'dark and smooth'.
Just like me!!

Take care my friend.

I really value this website, not only for the service it gives but for it's campaigning on behalf of the motorist. Long may it continue.

Re 108 & 109.

Even at 40p per litre double points and 5p per litre off I still wouldn't buy it
even if I was driving.
It might be useful for getting a bonfire started November 5th though.
Steve M how are you my friend? Come and live in Wales.The rest would do you a power of good and if you tasted the "Brains" beer here in Cardiff you might want to run a pub again.

Hi,

RE 108

Double points as well.......

What go's around, comes around.

A TESCO petrol station was swamped with motorists after a malfunctioning pump began selling petrol for just 40 pence a litre - for nearly a WEEK, it emerged today.

I don't feel one bit sorry for them.

its about time we had a new subject after all this is been going since June there cant be much more to complain about

Hi,

Big HELLO to Adrian.

It's good to hear from you my friend.

Lets get the $hit out the way first and I will bring you up to speed.
The pub is no more. My wife and I decided to call it a day. The pub is still a going concern but we have moved back into our own house.
We had many enjoyable years in the trade. My wife is now manager of a kitchen in a private establishment.
I have been diagnosed with a cerebral disorder caused by a motorbike accident some years ago (Oh yes. I am officially crazy!!)

I must agree with you Adrian, the pages have become barren and a lot of the old bloggers from both sides are rather quiet.

The 'new' news concerning the oil finds off the coast of Mexico were thrown around on here around 10 months ago. Maybe we knew something they* didn't.

Perhaps we have exhausted all angles except to say "WE ARE BEING RIPPED OFF"

Best regards Adrian. Keep in touch. Maybe we can come up with something to stir the hornets nest and bring some of the 'old uns' out of retirement.


*they = oil barrons and the worlds media.

104
Hi Steve M
Thank you I'm feeling tip top now at last and I hope you too are well.
These pages have been very quiet over the past couple of months and a lot of the names we knew have faded away, perhaps we were preaching to the
un convertable.
Looking back, I find that one of my suggestions though light hearted at the time, could be implemented to channel some much need cash back into the economy. With 30 million vehicles on Britain's roads (1/2 the population)
and we assume that 1/6th (5 million) of them are audibly challenged that is they MUST let everyone in a 1/2 mile radius hear their thump, thump thumping music, then why not charge them £100.00 per year for a radio license thus bringing in £500,000,000 per year. The government are missing a nice little earner here. Perhaps if they could link it to global warming (sorry climate change) people would happily pay it.
Anyway I hope the licensed trade is holding up to the strain and even though I read these pages for new content every day there seems no one
at present that has anything to add that hasn't been covered previously.
Even "Petrol Prices.com" haven't been able to add new debates, but I spotted one that they never picked up on:-
Asda made a big thing of dropping their fuel prices recently but it seems that nobody noticed that they all raised their prices a week before the fuel duty increase and their much heralded cut in prices only re aligns them to where they were 8 days before that fuel duty increase.There are none as blind as those who will not see.
I feel that my debating days are over and though I've been told that there's a chance of having my license back after Christmas, I haven't really missed it.
As for having more money in my pocket, that didn't work either more time on your hands = more time to spend money and whereas my business is being run by 2 very capable pairs of hands (my daughters) and my twilight years should be comfortable I can't help but feel for the less fortunate amongst us.
Good to air my views with you all again especially you Steve M & maybe one day soon I'll call into your pub and chew the gristle with you in person (metaphorically speaking) I'm sure you serve excellent food but, for now I'll
still keep checking these pages for new comments.

Hi,

Diesel is holding steady at £1.04 ltr in Birmingham.

Reading back through the most recent posts there seems to be an air of acceptance regarding higher fuel prices.

Are we all going soft?

Wait until the next duty rise followed by increased VAT and watch these pages smoke with people complaining about how it costs £3 more to get to work each week.

Where are these people now? Probably in Tescos moaning about the price of baked beans while jostling their way to the front of the queue using a fair share of elbows and walking sticks while exclaiming they are in a rush for the shuttle bus and need to keep their GP appointment as they have bladder problems.

Did I go off track a bit there? Oops.

*To A J Bell. Hope you are well.*

The Conservatives plan was exactly this; raise fuel tax when oil prices drop. Either which way we cut this, we cannot do anything about it, not least of all because we have to replace dwindling income from north sea reserves which peaked in 1999 ....... Oooooops Britain hit peak oil 10 years ago. Nevermind eh?

Hello 95 your comment about voting for another party they all say what they are going to do but when they are in power it all goes by the board the truth is the are all in it for there selves,remember Labour at the beginning of the year they said we are looking into the price of fuel what did they do NOTHING