10.03.08 The Chancellor must scrap the 2p fuel duty rise

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Would a 2p increase in fuel duty make you vote the government out at the next election?

On Wednesday the Chancellor Alistair Darling will unveil the 2008 budget, and with it, a series of tax hikes on motoring. The government is still planning to press ahead with a 2p increase in fuel duty, to take effect from April 1st 2008, despite increasing fears over the state of the economy and new record oil prices being set each week. Oil prices reached a record $107.44 on Monday morning.

Figures from PetrolPrices.com show that the price of unleaded has shot up 18.1p per litre in the last year. At the beginning of March 2007 a litre of unleaded cost 88p. Both unleaded and diesel are at record highs - unleaded is now 106.1p per litre and diesel is 112.5p.

Despite the impact record prices are having on motorists, on the haulage industry and on inflation, it's likely believe that the Chancellor will push through the price rise anyway. Many believe he is scared of being labelled as a hypocrite – this year's budget has been billed as the 'Green Budget', and cutting fuel duty would not be in line with the overall message the government wants to convey.

Other methods of taxing motorists are expected to be announced too, for example taxing gas guzzling cars out of existence, by adding a 'showroom' tax of £2000 to the most heavily polluting cars, and colour coding tax disks by carbon emissions. This would make it easier for local councils to identify and penalise high polluters, possibly by charging 4x4 owners more for parking.

But why does the Chancellor need this extra revenue? Rising fuel prices caused by oil price rises have been bad for motorists, but good for the government. Compared to the Pre-Budget Report in October, figures suggest that the Treasury has received an extra £1.2 billion in revenue because of the tax on North Sea oil. This means Mr Darling could easily afford to scrap the 2p increase, which estimates suggest would cost £1 billion.

If the Chancellor doesn't scrap the increase, and the conditions in the economy and the oil market continue, pump prices will hit £1.50 a litre this year - the equivalent to well over £6 a gallon. This would have a catastrophic effect on motorists, the haulage industry, and therefore inflation and the country as a whole.

Motorists across the UK are now having to adjust their driving habits because of the price rises - many now take fewer non-essential trips, have switched to smaller or more efficient cars or drive slower to get the most out of their tank. Green lobbyists see these changes as evidence that hitting motorists financially is the only way to curb carbon emissions, but it's possible that going ahead with the 2p fuel duty rise and continuing to target motorists could cost Labour much more than a few pennies at the next election.

Should the 2p rise be scrapped? Have you changed your driving habits as a result of fuel prices? Are green taxes stealth tax or will they help us cut our carbon emissions?

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For me to get from where I live to work, I have to drive. Public transport is not an option. also, my hubby is disabled, so a car is essential for him too. I only earn £5.60 per hour. Yet another example of beating the workers down further!

Posted by R Mcshane, 19th March 2008 6:06pm

Remember the largest british petrol companies recorded record profits last year!!
Between the government and the petrol companies greed, something has to be done to limit this extortion. Now food suppliers are using this an reason to put prices up. I do not understand why the petrol price can vary around the country; actually I do understand it is also due to greed. Take tesco for example they obviously look at other suppliers in the area and alter their prices to 'match' so they can make as much profit as possible, why not offer the motorist a real deal and keep petrol prices competitive across the counrty.

Posted by Alan Bury, 19th March 2008 8:14pm

It is about time we all stop talking about it and we all stand together and do something about the price of fuel but we are british and always let the goverment walk all over use its time to stand up and be counted if we all stand together they would have to do something but that will never happen

Posted by Richard Hammond, 19th March 2008 9:58pm

i run a small gardening business i find the costs are allready 2 high when is enought -enought ???????????????????????????????? i thought gordon brown was going 2 be better than the last egg head BUT NO he is the same
just a lier / a traiter to the british public & the country

Posted by Mike Clemson, 20th March 2008 9:58am

Don't go to work, It's easier and more profitable to go on the dole, especialy if you'v got loads of kids, don't dare love England or you will be accused of being a racist, and we all know there's no point in being law-abbiding any more, as you only get a slap on the wrist , (that's if you'r unlucky) as all the jails are full of foreign criminals that we can't deport because of their uman right's.

Brian

Posted by Labour Conned, 20th March 2008 10:48am

Please do not put another 2p on the petrol as I will not be able to afford to go to work.
When you put the price of petrol up it affects all areas of daily life as everything is transported to London at some point and that means basics like food will go up. It will end up being a third world country. Or at very least the poor of this country will end up a larger percent, then crime will follow.

Posted by Michelle Bell, 20th March 2008 11:38am

Its about time a fair system for "taxing" the motorist was put into place. Perhaps working on a benefits system rather than a charge system. Encourage the motorist rather than penalise.

Charge a fixed fee of tax on a litre of fuel, not work on % of pump price.
The chancelor has probably already received income over and above what they were expecting with the continious in crease of pump prices.

Posted by Driver08, 20th March 2008 5:58pm

I'm against the 2p petrol rise because I don't earn enough and have to travel to work in my car like many other people. I feel, if petrol prices rise too much I shall have to rethink about working, meaning a possibility of giving up work and living off the state and that won't do the government any good at all if everyone decided to do just that.
All living expenses are rising and my pay increase is nil although my wife got a 1% pay increase which does not cover all the increases the government is demanding.
So please don't put the petrol prises up because we don't want to be joining the dole queue.

Posted by Alan Hurry, 20th March 2008 8:12pm

This is a joke!!! How much more do they want to boost the price of petrol up to!!! Petrol and speed cameras are a joke these guys are taking everything we have and then they wonder why there are so many people signing on down the job centre and why so many people are driving without insurance tax mot!!!

Posted by R West, 21st March 2008 12:30am

Absolutely it should be scrapped....Fuel prices are so unbelievably hig halready that it's ctually making life difficult for me to GET to work. If I then have to leave work simply because I cannot afford to get there any more, I just end up with the dubious honour of having to try and get the state to help me, which in turn only increases costs for the government.

I know I'm not the only one in this predicament, but it seems that our government has absolutely no understanding of the fact that every action has consequences. Yet again, they fail to take in to account the big picture. Seems to be a common theme in just about everything they do.

If there's a requirement for more cash, here's a few quick wins. Cut out expenses accounts for MPs and oooh, here's a fun one - quit sending our soldiers off to fight other people's wars? You never know, that might spare the country a couple of quid to fix up the roads...

Posted by Kay, 21st March 2008 8:29am

As Mr Ed Balls. Secretarty of School children. Allegedly said in parliament last week 'SO WHAT'. That sums up the contempt that this goverment as towards the Motorist

Posted by George Dunkley, 21st March 2008 11:23am

Why are we paying VAT not only on the fuel but also on the fuel tax - literally a TAX ON A TAX?

Why, if diesel is less expensive to produce than petrol is it more expensive at the pumps?

Why, if diesel produces less CO2, does the goverment penalise diesel users when it says it is trying to reduce CO2 and help the environment.

When is the AA to produce car-stickers saying: EVERY MOTORIST IS A VOTER

Posted by Gordon Clack, 21st March 2008 12:29pm

Having watched the gullibility of the general public for more years than I care to remember I am now disheartened enough to make a point. Wake up folks, your government is only doing what it usually does, extract the most it can from your pocket under any suitable guise. What's new? These price hikes arent anything to do with the environment, never were, never will be. They might be acceptable if they were. You are being taxed to the amount the government calculates they can get away with. This extra revenue apart from paying for gold plated pensions, will be doubtless be spent just as "effectively" as all other taxes. Think about it, the competency of any government can usually be measured by its tax increases, so smile, keep paying & get used to it, get rid of them or get out, its so simple.

Posted by Mac Obermaier, 21st March 2008 4:07pm

I am sick of the price of petrol, its a joke how much we pay. If it keeps up soon i wont have a car on the road!!!!!!!
Some government

Posted by Michelle, 21st March 2008 5:09pm

I am a community nurse and have been so for six years. As we are NHS workers and don't count for anything, our petrol repayments have not been increased in that time. According to my colleagues, not for a long time before that either. Therefore, our fuel repayment is woefully inadequate. As I do approx 400 miles a month visiting patients in my car, I am almost paying the NHS for the honour!

Posted by Siobhan Dickson, 21st March 2008 6:07pm

We should have 3 referendum's,
1 Get us out of the E.U.
2 Get rid of thse migrant's and please don't tell me that we need them, it's the other way around, they need us. When the E.U. common market was first thought up it was to benefit us and our near nieghbours, supposedly to strenghten our economies, now they are letting all in sundry in and we are being inundated with not just the worker but his whole family including the grand parents and aunt's and uncle's and the social services are at breaking point, If we must have the so called workers then so be it but at least send the rest of the hangers on back. A nieghbour of my late mother had a car for sale, a knock came to thier door and it was a migrant worker and his mates, "yes we will give you your price for the car we'll be back this afternoon" an hour later they turned up with a cheque for the price of the car, "I'm not taking a cheque said my mam's nieghbour, "it's OK if you ring the social services they will OK it for you" sure enough when the people rang the number the social services said ,"it's alright , it's so that they can get around to look for work", would you or I have been given a cheque for 2 grand so that we could look for work, not on your nellie, and I would guess that the S.S. then had to fork out for the road tax and insurance as well.
3 A referendum to ask the voters should we hold a general election immiediatly, this gov doesn't believe in referendum's so dont hold your breath.

Posted by Mac, 21st March 2008 9:29pm

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Posted by Mac, 21st March 2008 9:44pm

Mac' comments 2912.

You should put you'r post in the papers mate, that is one of the reasons we are the highest taxed in Europe, so that every Tom, Rick and Mohamed can come over and take advantage of the freebies on offer.
Thanks for you'r tip post 2913.

Brian

Posted by Labour Conned, 22nd March 2008 11:04am

Why does everybody seem surprised at the price increases on fuel? Successive governments have treated the motorist with contempt and raised fuel prices to pay for their inability to control the nation's finances. While we have a government that can spend BILLIONS bailing out Northern Rock, fighting an illegal war, and simultaneously allowing its MPs to claim thousands of pounds a year for furnishing a secong home, we can expect nothing better. Blair and Brown have shafted us for long enough. I am a pensioner who drives a Motability car. I cannot get the full use out of it a £5 per gallon. All together in the New Labour anthem "Things can only get better".

Posted by Tony Rose, 22nd March 2008 2:03pm

why dont we as a country stand up to this bully boy government, before they crush the working class into the floor. its us that keep this country going, yet its us they keep hammering with their stealth taxes etc etc. were spending billions on a war we cant win, with money we havent got. anybody from eastern europe can come and live here, and claim money for everything they want. its ridiculous, and i think our fore fathers would turn in their graves if they could see the state this country is in now. and if this government award people with greener cars,eg diesels, lower annual tax. then why then are those same cleaner burning diesels hit so hard at the pumps?????????????

Posted by Stephen Phillips, 22nd March 2008 5:41pm

Its all well and good trying to look after the planet and reduce emmissions but making it difficult for people to earn a livng by increasing their travel costs is not the way to solve the issue. Its a cheap excuse to line the governments coffers; yet again! I'd love to be able to afford a new 'green' car but its just not a possibility, that is why so many people are driving cars with higher emissions. Why penalise the people that havent got a choice in what they drive?

Posted by Samantha Blunt, 23rd March 2008 4:16pm

The Chancellor could save almost £1 billion by bringing MP's expenses into line with current industry practices that are required by auditors. Why should we pay even more fuel tax to (effectively) keep MP's on their gravy train paid for by extremely questionable (many would say corrupt) personal expense practices.
Those of us who do not have the option of public transport, which in any case is a shambles, are steadily running into financial difficulties. We must all vote with our feet and put Labour into oblivion at thje next election

Posted by Bryan Stephenson, 23rd March 2008 8:16pm

Does Guy Fawkes have any living relatives who would be willing to help the cause?

Posted by Ron Iouk, 24th March 2008 4:13pm

I object to the comments made ealier about changing our lives to suit less oil consumption. If i didnt know any better id say you were from the goverment trying to ruin our comments like you have done our financial lives.

We live in a fast moving technological society now. We HAVE the technology to make 1 tank (52 litres 11.4 gallons) (astra size) last 2000miles! Yes 2000 miles.

But the oil companies will not release the technology because low and behold it wouldnt be so in demand anymore would it? and that means it wont cost as much so ultimately thats less profit.

We need another oliver cromwell to put the house of the privaliged back to the house of COMMONS.

Goodbye Labour, Goodbye Conservitive Hello somebody different for once.

Posted by Chris Burton, 25th March 2008 6:29am

Why are we in Britain so consummed with oil prices? It affects almost everything we purchase as supplies to our everday living.

Lets think of alternatives to living a cleaner life, without the burdens/constraints which the govt, continually inflict upon us. Lets empower ourselves to look beyond our own understanding and realise that we can live and consume less, thus the govt, will not be n the driving seat of supply and demand!

Posted by Summer Plait, 25th March 2008 5:46pm

How can this government price the motorist of the road without offering a clean, safe, reliable, practical, competitive alternative. This is just highway robbery and should be legally challenged.

Posted by Emma Back, 26th March 2008 11:56pm

So far to date what has happend petrol has gone up the 2p has been staggered for a few months in the clear hope we will have forgotten but does anyone ever read these comments and the peoples views does it get to this goverment, all I can see since this budget is everything going up & up my salary staying the same so those well off people that can afford to pay will continue to live well those that have been affected by the abolishion of the 10p tax banding will make those earing less than £15,000 a year worse off by about £2 or £3 and I do wages!!!!! so the least well paid will be worse off and those earning over will be better off, I will never vote for Labour again I am waiting for the May council elections hopefully that message will become clear...

Posted by Ann.fryer@tillomed.co.uk, 27th March 2008 12:27pm

The price of petrol/diesel will keep on rocketing simply to pay the family allowance of immigrants who claim to have several children back home in their country. YES they CAN claim for children not resident in this country and the money (ours) go's into their country's economy!!!

Posted by Catherine Punter, 27th March 2008 4:00pm

This Government has played fast & lose with increased taxation on fuel. They justify the increases on the basis that it will reduce consumption and help reduce CO2 emissions. They seem to miss the fact that most of our food is moved around the country on diesel fueled trucks and therefore the increased tax is adding to all our living costs even if we don't own a vehicle. The UK is now "enjoying" the highest fuel costs in Europe and this is eventually going to have an impact upon our productive competitiveness.

Posted by Patrick Loaring, 27th March 2008 4:56pm

I am currently working in saudi arabia,Its a struggle to get three pounds worth of fuel in to the tank of my car,its so cheap.
When they increased the price by less than a penny,there was such an outcry.The king ordered a reduction in price .the best way to attack the fuel companies is to stop buying fuel from one oil company,say we all start with BP.

Posted by Dave Clegg, 28th March 2008 6:53am

I am what would be classed as an undecided voter and to my mind we can't trust any of them but the numerous comments on these pages advocating voting this government out as soon as possible quite frankly amazes me.
The tories have pledged NOT to cut ANY taxes for at least the first 4 years of
a tory government and by then they'll have wasted any surplus they have on a new war or some new factual (though fictitious) reason why we should all subscribe to the global warming guilt trip.
A fuel duty regulator should be implemented to stabilize fuel prices and as for the rate of inflation being 2.5% why have all prices in shops increased well into double figure percentages since Christmas? I'll have whatever drugs they are on please.

Posted by Gavin Punter, 29th March 2008 6:02pm

If you don't like it learn to walk, or use public transport. It is not a requirement to own a car. Good Luck to the Chancellor, rather him than the opposition.

Posted by Simon James, 30th March 2008 6:47pm

encourage the motorist to change to diesel , traditionally much cheaper than petrol , then realise that you are losing revenue because of this price difference , then make diesel much more expensive . great plan . out of touch with the real world , or are they just thieves in suits ?

Posted by Richard Andrew Swannell, 30th March 2008 7:52pm

ladies and gentlement
forget about voting out this poor shoudy government.
as you will probably vote another in its place lets not forget what the tory did to the working man too back in the 80s/90s.

i we still had the coal mine's we would NOT have a energy crisis in the UK, if the torys nationaised and controlled the North Sea oil reserves instead of biding them out to american oil copanies there would NOT be an energy crisis.

do you really think that Fuel crisis and oil prices will return to normal if you vote a new government in? no they won't each Government that we had have been useless but we still vote one of the same two in.

what i suggest is get on you feet off your arses stop watching bellenders and the other trash that is on the box and march ,fight for your belief.
we are all here reading this lets make a stance start by haveing a national go slow day on this Friday 4/04/08 then do it every Friday till they get the message

contact PeoplePower AT live DOT co DOT uk

for further Info

Posted by Mark, 31st March 2008 6:02pm

I run a hotel and the trouble is - all our costs go up - fuel, food, alcohol, heating etc but no one wants to pay higher prices for the hotel room. Add the VAT into the mix and any smaller hotels and guests houses simply won't be able to survive.

Posted by Andy, 1st April 2008 1:54pm

The government claws back more tax with every price hike emposed by OPEC and so over the last year alone there is much more than 2p per ltr going into the bottomless pit.As any fuel price rise contributes to raising the price of essential goods such as food, then they ought to be LOWERING the tax now and not starving out the the very people who who work hard to maintain their never ending and ever growing EXPENSES.

Posted by John Faulkner, 4th April 2008 8:01pm

One way or another the oil is running out, low emmision cars still burn the stuff. I think that the general public would accept the high taxation if they could see that the money was being spent directly on developing public transport, new renewable sources of energy, new technology to use the new energy sources etc. Instead we keep seeing our hard earned quickly stolen, tax money spent chasing round the globe trying to police it. Surely it's time charity started at home, we are just about to enter a seriously hard economic period of time.

Posted by Mark Edwards, 7th April 2008 12:15pm

Motorists are voters too, let's not forget that when we vote in the May local elections, this will be our chance for us all to give Broon a bloody nose and give him a sample of what he's going to get when we get the general election.

Posted by Labour Conned, 9th April 2008 10:50am

Vat should be cut on UK fuel forecourts. There is no alternative as yet to petrol and diesel. How come Portugal cuts it's VAT on fuel as oil prices rise?


There is no point saving the earth if it means makinf people poor. How is it so many Chinese are taking to cars rather than pushbikes?

Posted by Vincent Ludovico, 18th April 2008 9:53am

five years ago Petrol was 79.9p a litre now it's over £1, it's all tax, I'd like to see the mp's pay for there own petrol without claiming on there expensis.

Posted by C, 18th April 2008 12:11pm

**************** 200% TAX on Fuel *******************

Now here is a different slant on Fuel duty.

Why is not more hype put on the actual Tax Rate - Is this legal or legalised extortion ???

Household Fuel - 8%
Food - 8%
General items - 17.5%

***** FUEL - 200% ***** (approx)

Posted by Rocco De Lucca, 29th April 2008 1:16pm

We can only hope that due to the excellent results at the local elections that Gordon Brown and associates (believe me we have a property sales called this, maybe it is them branching out to keep themselves in jobs) they will start to consider the damage that they have caused to the economy and will lower the price of fuel, but don't hold your breath. The labour leader of Sunderland council was voted out, but I don't know what the rest of the results were. In case you have not guessed, yes I live in Sunderland.

Posted by Mac, 3rd May 2008 9:23pm

No matter how much we moan and complain the government will never listen to us , as long as they can comfortably afford to live they have not a care in the world for us - THE PEOPLE THAT PAY THEIR WAGES , so we need to take a leaf from the french or indeed anyother country and BRING THIS COUNTRY TO ITS KNEES, WE ALL NEED TO UNITE AND STRIKE IF WE DONT WORK THE GOVERNMENT DONT GET PAID SIMPLE AS THAT , BLOCK UP ALL THE ROADS , SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN AND TAKE AWAY THEIR PLEASURES , we need to show this government who is in charge, not stand back and be pushed around .

Posted by Philip Monument, 4th May 2008 9:22pm

This has got to be the most money grabbing regime ever to get into power! How they can begin to justify their new road tax system I will Never know! So, in future, you will pay up to £450 a year to be allowed to take your environmentally unfriendly motor onto a public highway regardless of how much it is used ( I do 6000 miles a year) but lower emission vehicles can buzz around for next to nothing and clock up 20000 miles in a year! Which of us is the cause of more pollution? I say scrap the whole road tax system and put it onto fuel prices ( within a reasonable amount) and that way everyone pays a fair price for their amount of pollution and road use - EVERYONE including the road tax dodgers who I'm sure are going to get even greater in their numbers in future.

Posted by David Williams, 5th May 2008 5:17pm

I HAVE JUST HAD TO SELL UP BECAUSE OF HIGH FUEL PRICES, I USED TO TRANSPORT FRUIT AND VEG TO MARKET BUT MY CUSTOMERS WILL NOT PAY HIGHER COSTS, I EMPLOY 3 DRIVERS WHO HAVE NOW LOST THERE JOBS!!!!! HOW MANY MORE ARE GOING TO GO UNDER BECAUSE OF THIS FUEL PRICE RISE, MY TRANSPORT BUISINESS IS NOT WORTH MUCH NOW AND I AM FINDING IT HARD TO GET A BUYER, WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO HELP ME NOW???? MR BROWN??? I DONT THINK SO. LATEST AT MY GARAGE £1.31.9 A LITRE FOR DIESEL,GONE UP 22P A LITRE IN 2 WEEKS(THATS RIGHT 22P A LITRE NOT GALLON)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Michail Saunders, 12th May 2008 2:22pm

hi, just returned from spain, road fuel is approximately the same price in euros as it is here in sterling, and without wanting to state the obvious I think the chancelor is taking enough already in duty and should actually reduce it.
robert

Posted by Robert Wilds, 19th May 2008 12:10pm

Why do we ALL forget that we are the Goverments employers! We pay their wages, we elect, therfore they work for us.

Its the same when the NHS is discussed, it's NOT FREE for us who work, all of us who work pay into it! LETS ALL WAKE UP....

I am the HR manager of a Transport company and I am absolutley petrified as to what may happen to it if something is not done now! We are at crisis point, any profit we may have made has been wiped out with the fuel surcharges. The Goverment MUST act now. The haulage industry will collapse if it doesn't.
We have seen numerous companies go bust recently and the affect it is having on the employers and employees health is nothing short of disgusting.

I drive a car too so I scream from that corner also.

The French wouldn't stand for it and we shouldn't...

Posted by Donna Hartley, 26th May 2008 12:51pm

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what a country we live in, i was once proud to be british not anymore im sick and tired of going to work, only to have more and more of my wages taken off me in taxes now the government want to put 2p on petrol.
when are we as a nation going to stand up for ourselves and say enough is enough? it wont be long before myself and probably "YOU" will be unemployed. then where will the government get the money to give themselves another pay rise (above inflation of course),

Posted by Robert Thornley, 4th June 2008 7:12pm

I agree that something must be done to counter climate change and reduce road congestion, traffic accidents and social exclusion. What I hate is the goverment taxing us to death and no improvements in sustainable transport being done. With all that cash, the following must be done:
1) lower the cost of rail / bus tickets
2) Every large city to have a good tram system
3) Beeching in reverse policy. I would not mind high taxes if I saw railway lines being re-opened, especially those most needed trunk routes eg Woodhead,Waverley , Skipton-Colne, Hull-Market Weighton- York and those with a regeneration power Spen Valley, Wealden link, Penrith-Keswick
4) Freight being moved onto Rails/ Canals. Instead of hundreds of lorry miles, trunks visit their local goods yards to collect freight.
These would help

Posted by Christopher Simpson, 4th June 2008 9:43pm

Watch the PR and spin they'll try and give when they drop this impending extra 2p (surely they'll have to?) they'll tell us how they've listened and understand!

My gripe with this is that the additional VAT we're paying from this time last year has already paid this 2p many times over, so what are they giving back, more tax is being paid, don't let them fool us. Fuel Tax has gone up and the VAT amount has gone up. In short this is clearly a 'LOSE LOSE' situation.

Posted by Colin Wilde, 3rd July 2008 9:45am

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Its a good while since I have posted here but the events in the world financial markets and the melt down of free market capitalism as we all know it took me back to Peak oils warnings that I remember reading earlier this year. I have to say I thought that maybe they were a bit alarmist but the world is lurching from one crisis to the next and if anything things could soon be a whole lot worse. It all makes fuel prices look insignificant looking at events unfolding now.

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