16.10.08 Weak currency to blame for motorists paying 5p more at the pumps

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Is £1 a litre still too much for unleaded?


UK motorists are paying up to 5p more at the pumps because of the weakness of the pound against the dollar, PetrolPrices.com has discovered.

If the exchange rate was still $2 to the pound, petrol retailers would have room to drop the price of unleaded to just 95p a litre*. That would save the average motorist £10** a month.

However, as a result of the weaker pound UK retailers are paying as much as £6 more for a barrel of oil.

Britain buys its oil in dollars, but because our currency is worth less than in recent times, our pounds don't buy as much as they used to. £1 now buys $1.7, but just 3 months ago we could buy $2 with £1.

The Prime Minister Gordon Brown has today criticised petrol stations for not dropping their prices quickly enough in response to falling oil prices.

He said: "It is encouraging that we have seen petrol prices fall in the UK in recent days, with some supermarkets and retailers reducing their prices below £1 a litre. But I would like to see other retailers following that lead."

PetrolPrices.com supports his comments, but he appears to have overlooked the government's role in reducing fuel prices.

The exchange rate is effectively an assessment of the strength of the UK economy by the world markets. The government is playing a vital role in this with its response to the banking crises.

PetrolPrices.com is concerned that the full implications of the bailout plans won't become apparent until it's too late. Our currency is weakening as world markets lose faith in the strength of our economy, relative to the US. This means we pay more for fuel. We're getting a raw deal compared to Americans - not even accounting for our higher fuel taxes.

Nationalising the losses and privatising profits needs to be avoided at all costs to preserve a strong pound and cheaper fuel, but it seems that that's the route we're going down. If this keeps happening we could see massive inflation next year, sending the price at the pumps up again.

Do you think that the government needs to do more to preserve our currency? Do you think the pound will get weaker? Are you surprised that we pay more for fuel than the US even before tax?

*Based on: GBPUSD: 1.998, Oil: $145.16 (14/07/08) and GBPUSD: 1.7208, Oil: $73.5 (16/10/08)

**Based on 55 litre car filling up 4 times a month.

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What utter complete rubbish, claptrap and horse----. The big 4 will come up with any excuse in the book to keep on ripping British consumers off. Look at the currency exchange rate verses the dollar in May 2007 (Yes, May 2007!!) when the petroleum price on both sides of the Atlantic was the price is it today (it dropped to $67 a barrel today in London and New York) and see just how much more they are charging today. We should be paying no more than 89p a litre for unleaded and 95p a litre for diesel and even those prices are disgusting. Look how much the prices of diesel and unleaded have come down in recent days in France, Germany, the US and the rest of the world. With Gordon Brown with his absurd taxes on one side and the big 4 petroleum companies on the other, we continue to pay through the nose.

Posted by Don T, 16th October 2008 5:46pm

AGREED, RIP OFF BRITAIN!

Posted by Richard, 16th October 2008 5:56pm

im pleased some brits still make sense. I totally agree with you Don T britain is getting worse as the years keeps going forward on ripping the nation off. We should be only paying no more then 89p/L but as you said gordon Clown ow i mean gordon brown just thinks about his pocket and his MP's pockets. did you know that gordon clown gets paid 2million ayear for what he does which no one ever needs and his MP's get paid on average 500-1million per year why not give each and every one of them the min wage and help thoughs that need it.

Posted by Martin, 16th October 2008 6:38pm



It's time to end our addiction to oil and here's how we can do it:

A Twelve-Step Plan to End Oil Addiction (courtesy of The Oil Drum)

1. Stop deluding ourselves. The era of cheap, readily-available oil has ended. Prices may fluctuate, but the underlying trend is up, up, up. We have to get used to using less.

2. Demand that politicians take the issue seriously. Make it an election issue. Don't take 'we've got everything under control' as an answer.

3. Stop building new roads. They're a monumental waste of money, time and effort. They encourage, rather than ease, congestion, and besides, the growth in car travel that's used to justify them isn't going to happen anyway.

4. Divert that money and effort into measures that address the challenges of oil depletion and climate change.

5. Make a major investment in public transport. It needs to be better, faster, more comfortable, more regular, and more predictable. It needs to cater for everyone, not just peak-hour commuters — though they need a better service as well.

6. Make a major investment in broadband internet to allow more people to work from home, and change tax and business practices that discourage working from home. The more car trips we can avoid, the better.

7. Electrify transport where possible. We should be electrifying commuter rail where it is not already electric and using light rail (trams) in the cities. On the other end of the scale, electric bikes and scooters can make a big difference in our cities. And electric cars show promise, though there's a lot of questions to be answered yet.

8. Don't use cars unless there's no alternative. Take the bus. Take the train. Switch to a scooter. Walk or cycle - both your wallet and your doctor will thank you.

9. Deal with other aspects of our oil dependence. Agriculture, for example, is highly dependent on oil. We're going to need to change the way we grow and distribute food. Let's get to work on that now, not wait until supermarket shelves start to empty.

10. Stockpile or manufacture vital products currently imported from overseas. When oil runs short, will that still be possible? Let's take stock now and work out what we may need to start stockpiling or making (again) in the UK.

11. Think local. Ending our oil addiction isn't just up to central government, though it can play its part. Communities can work together to make themselves more resilient. Join or start a Transition Towns group in your local area.

12. Accept reality. The age of cheap oil is over. It's not coming back. As individuals and as a nation, we have to adapt.

Posted by Peak Oil, 16th October 2008 6:42pm

I bought diesel in France last week at the equivilent of 1£ per litre
Also in the UK there is no duty difference on Diesel so why is the cost now more than 10p higher when it is cheaper to produce
Lets all stop buying fuel for 2 days that will effect thier cash flow , and then see if we get there attention and price cuts

Posted by Stuart Green, 16th October 2008 6:52pm

I can see no reason for the differential between Unleaded and Diesel. It is, in my opinion, yet another way to hit the motorist in the pocket.
Has there been any official views as to why we pay 12p more per litre?
Also, why are the big HGV fleet boys with many hundreds of large diesels not complaining? Are they getting a rebate? Something is not right.

Posted by Bill Loudon, 16th October 2008 8:16pm

@6

Bill, google "Energy Trends BERR 30881 PDF".

Look at Chart 3.3 (Page 9).

That should tell you why diesel is more expensive. Since 2005, there's more demand for it.

Posted by Bandidoz, 17th October 2008 12:02am

Yesterday 16 Oct 2008, the Avg Wholesale Price of Petrol closed at 24.02p/litre.
This equates to 96.00p/litre avg Retail Price.

Avg Wholesale Price of Diesel closed at 33.64p/litre.
This equates to 107.00p/litre avg Retail Price.

The Market Gap between the two fuels is 9.62p/litre.
The Retail Gap is 11.00p/litre, brought about by VAT mathematics.

However this fuel has yet to reach the Retail Market, but retail prices will continue to fall.

Posted by Learjet, 17th October 2008 5:50am

Forget all the maths, science, all the 22's over 7's, exchange rates, economists, ecologists, any other ologist, ministers, rulers, Americans, Arabs, oil magnates, VAT, graphs, plots and plans, forget all the "boffins" who try to convince you that fuel is cheap, forget the calculator.
The facts are simple.

WE ARE BEING RIPPED OFF!!!!

Lobby your MP's, refuse to buy dearer petrol/diesel, travel the extra 5 or 10 miles to fill up if its cheaper elsewhere.
Refuse to buy expensive fuel.
Between us WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE..

re, No; 5, Stuart Green,
It would be great to organise a day off at the pumps in protest.

re No; 4 and 8. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? what are you waffling on about??
This site is to support each other in times of adversity, not to support the government or oil companies, if you would like to suck up to them, then I am sure they have their own sites where you would be more than welcome.

I am sure you will reply with yet more boring science and pretty mathematics to support your thesis, but guess what? don't care.
Now what I do care about, diesel is down to £110.9 ltr in the Midlands.
Happy motoring.

Posted by Steve M, 17th October 2008 11:50am

It's not about sucking up to the oil companies, it's about offering a rational explanation for what's really going on.

I guess even in the presence of overwhelming evidence to support a rational argument, people still prefer to "blame" someone. Yes, people will be morons with their heads stuck up their arses.

"travel the extra 5 or 10 miles to fill up if its cheaper elsewhere". How ridiculous is that? Spend £1 to save 20p? There you go. F**k simple maths, just drive around with your prejudices, wasting your time and money.

Posted by Bandidoz, 17th October 2008 1:40pm

Learjet, Bandidoz It is not worth trying to educate the ignorant. Leave them to their irrational actions and rantings. The more they drive around trying to find cheaper fuel - the more the petrol companies and supermarkets will profit. Don't answer their "why is" questions, they don't listen, they don't like the answers.

Posted by Realist, 17th October 2008 4:16pm

hi no4 peak oil even though your point is true will you please stop posting the same thing over and over we get the point. You have posted it so many times that it is now classed as spam. Im not sure about anyone else here but i for one is sick of hearing it.

Posted by Martin, 17th October 2008 6:14pm

petrol prices has not got any thing to do with the week pound,it is and always will be the govenment no matter what party..pure greed.and the oil companys could help more.. ..thanks to petrol prices .com for there help .

Posted by Martin Buswell, 18th October 2008 7:32am



Re: 12

Good morning Martin.

Pleased to see you're getting the point at last. ;-)

If it takes repetitive posts to educate the average neanderthal on this site that we are ALL about to face an imminent global energy problem, then I will continue to add my comments.

Until the next time...............

Posted by Peak Oil, 18th October 2008 11:42am

But you all seem to forget one thing, it takes up to 6 weeks to filter down, todays price of $67 a barrel wont be reflected at the pumps till november time.

Posted by Brisky, 18th October 2008 12:32pm

What makes people angry is speculation and pathetic reasons for high fuel prices, we can all appreciate driving our cars is not good for the enviroment but why people are allowed to profit from this (including our goverment) is beyond me. The eu have to reach enviroment co2 targets by 2000 and something so they assume making fuel expensive will deter us away to find alternative means, i disagree because if fuel was £10.00 a litre i would still neet to travel to my jobs (roofer btw) . If the enviroment was as important as they make out why encourage more oil pumping to help the enconemy.
Alot of people are getting very rich from this, including gas and electric companies, in my opinion when energy is a nessesity it should be offered by non profitable companies.

Posted by Terry Hall, 18th October 2008 7:06pm

having stumbled across this site and read a few posts. this peak oil guy is a bit annoying.

As an argumentative response i'd just like to say that saving the world doesn't appeal to me. I love motorsport and motor cars. this comment comes off the back of reading an article about making F1 more green. utter rubbish.

I am happy to pay my £200 a year road tax as i drive an older car but by doing so am happy in the knowledge that the goverment are not penalising me like the drivers of more modern cars (post 2001) but still churning out no more than 15 mpg in my barely passable emmisions test courteousy of remove the cat convertors from my car. and just to dent the world a little more the next car is going to be a 4.2 v8 again below 2001 and just to piddle you off peaky i also rerfuse to recycle!!

Posted by Neil D, 19th October 2008 10:57am

Hi no12

ive always got the point but because the world is ran on oil one persons comment will never change the world. automotive companys are taking steps to combate oil but as the world is ran on it, It will never stop getting used untill they eather find another product that is more profitable or 2 oil becomes to expensive to produce and is no longer profitable. All im getting at is if you post once it will still be read by everyone on here. Spamming a website just makes people glimps your post and pass it therefore try finding another way to get peoples attention or stop doing it. To be honist i will not be supprised if this website has lost members because of you.

Posted by Martin, 19th October 2008 1:56pm

Ref: no17 great post, i bet you had to kick start your other brain cell to write paragraph two.

Posted by Terry Hall, 19th October 2008 3:34pm

@17 -> Neil, campaigning about Peak Oil (and energy depletion) is usually not about "saving the world". The world doesn't want to be saved. It's more about having your own "Plan B" so you don't get affected so much by high energy costs.

@16 -> Terry, I quite agree about being annyoed by pathetic reasons for high fuel costs. The principal scapegoat being "speculation"; it only affects the price by 10 to 20%. I just wish the media would report it as "supply and demand". We choose to live in a market economy as opposed to one where people get rationed. The market economy provides us with great benefits when there's plenty to go around, but as soon as there are shortages a bidding war can emerge and the market economy is brutal and painful to those who can't afford it. The media also doesn't report what's going on elsewhere in the world where other countries in the world are suffering chronic energy shortages.

@14 -> Peak Oil. Some people just can't be educated. Don't alienate those who "get it" with subtle persuasion by trying to ram the message down everyone's throat. It doesn't work, and I'm speaking from experience.

Posted by Bandidoz, 20th October 2008 1:28pm

I have just come back from a trip to Germany, France and Belgium and all three of them sell diesel cheeper than petrol. I use diesel and I filled up in a little garage just outside Antwerp and it was 79p per litre.
They are a very small country with no oil of there own they have to buy it from somewhere else, so what is wrong with our lot.

Posted by James Peter Cresswell, 20th October 2008 4:18pm

The prices shown on the search are not correct many places are cheaper. Are the guys who give you the info playing games?

Posted by Bogland, 20th October 2008 7:17pm

My big moan is about the relative price of Diesel. How is this justified at 45p per gallon more than petrol ?

Posted by Steve Faulkner, 20th October 2008 7:37pm

just thought id let you know shell in newcastle is 97.9 not 99.9 which is shown on this website.

Posted by Martin, 20th October 2008 8:18pm

Petrol and Diesal prices are a rip off, that is a fact.
But what point is the're in moaning about the tax, becasue if the government reduced it, no doubt they would just stick it on something else.

Posted by Steve, 21st October 2008 7:33am

Our local Tesco have reduced prices to 97.9 unleaded and 109.9 diesel to match Morrisons and Asda but they are doing that offer where you get 5p off per litre when you spend £50 in store. This is running till 14th December. I'm already saving £9 on a tank full compared with 6 weeks ago.

Posted by Alistair, 21st October 2008 11:05am

re Bandidoz
You know, when a person has an opinion it just might be right in parts, you are not above people on this site. Your snobbery is laughable. I have a feeling that people in your area hide when they see you coming, you have the flattest greenest lawn, and that you are in the front row at church hall meetings, or most probably chairing them, my head is not up my arse as yours is surely up to the shoulders in sloppy grey matter called a brain cell.
I have a mental picture of you walking into the local post office, carrying a brown shopping bag, to complain about something, wearing your freshly ironed shirt and pressed tie and sporting a comb over.
Why should I pay £117.9 ltr when I can drive 5.3 miles and fill my 75 ltr tank at just £109.9 ltr?
Does not saving around £5 or £6 on a full tank justify this?
Can you open you blinkered eyes and work that out for me?
Also, if it costs you over a pound to drive a few miles you might need to have your vehicle serviced as you are wasting black gold and most probably polluting a few thousand people too, including the ones in your cave.
You will come back with your usual smart arse comment, but hey, I will save money where possible so I can enjoy my life and not waste it like yours.
peak oil, you bore me. (yawn)
To everybody else, happy motoring.

Posted by Steve M, 21st October 2008 12:43pm

LOL don't bother with the conjecture! It's nothing about snobbery, Steve. Just pointing out the obvious and a few things people often overlook.

If your car does 32mpg that's about 7mpl (miles per litre), so 6 litres (about £6) would get you 40 miles. So 5 miles doesn't eat much out of that. However, if you could earn £30/hour, and the trip takes 10 minutes, then that's effectively cost you £5. So it's predominantly a question of "how much is your time worth".

BTW, there is approximately 10kWh of energy in a litre of petroleum. A human being can sustain about 100W of continuous energy output. So a litre of petroleum does the equivalent work to 100 men for an hour. At £5 per hour for minimum wage, 10kWh of work is worth £500.

So, for the amount of work it does, petrol is still very cheap.

Posted by Bandidoz, 21st October 2008 2:18pm

Yes the £ is down from its record highs against the US$ but we are still paying too much, the oil companies and retailers are always much quicker in reacting to rising world oil prices than when they fall - that's why either way their profits go up!

With further price falls the best advice would seem to be to only buy the fuel you need for next next 2 or 3 days rather than filling the tank, by doing this you will get a better mpg too!

Posted by Bill Perrett, 21st October 2008 2:28pm

Just to let people know that unleaded petrol is 95.9 @ Shell Whitemare pool in Gateshead.

Posted by Simon Fleming, 21st October 2008 3:20pm

hi bandidoz,
I will be blunt, you are much better than me at using posh maths to explain how much better off we are than we should be.
I can't imagine tiling a bathroom with petrolium so the work to fuel ratio has me quite confused.
Can you enlighten me in pigeon english how/why us brits pay more for fuel even though we buy for far far less?
Is it because of a greedy government or am I totally missing the point?
How is it that when oil prices go up this is reflected immediatly at the pumps, but when it falls it "suddenly" takes six weeks to reflect its worth and filter through?
Any way, I appreciate the banter, it is uplifting in these bleak times.
The floor is yours dear Bandidoz.

Posted by Steve M, 21st October 2008 5:23pm

Hi Steve

"How is it that when oil prices go up this is reflected immediatly at the pumps, but when it falls it "suddenly" takes six weeks to reflect its worth and filter through?"

Short answer is - I don't know; I don't buy and deliver petroleum for the forecourts. I suspect they buy oil "ahead" using futures trading, if you look at the futures prices (e.g. NYMEX) for 3 months ahead, it's different to the "spot" price for today that gets reported.

The futures prices change differently to the spot prices, and I suspect this plays a large part of why the price changes take different amounts of time to filter through.

Posted by Bandidoz, 21st October 2008 5:54pm

ok so my post, #17 was a bit left of field. i don't presume to know everything but my post was just a culmination of all the idiocricy of save the planet that is being forced down my throat at the mo F1 thing, Council recycling now 4 diff containers etc etc.

I love cars. i love driving, it for me is more than just getting from a to b. we are always going to be penalised for it as they find more ways to make money, be it the gov't or the oil industry. i found this out when my sister divorced and her hubby worked for an oil company, think it read salary almost £100k bonus + 250k share options £1.5m. company was Nor Oil or something. sorry that was heading off topic.

back to it, i see adverts for honda and toyota hybrids and how they save on tax and charges as they are helping in the fight. the manufacture of the prius pollutes they world 8 times more than the production of a mondeo. due to the coal used to produce the hydrogen and the manufacture methods of the batteries and the mileage the car parts take before becoming a driveable car.

yet we the petrol guys get killed for using the stuff, and the tax and the cong. charges.

Posted by Neil D, 21st October 2008 8:41pm

hi Bandidoz,
I appreciate the honest answer, if the forecasted future price is so wide of the mark that an immediate rise at the pump is unavoidable then surely the same applies in reverse.
If the forecasted price was far to high, which was/is one of the contributors to the hike in fuel charges, then shouldn't the companies be totally honest when the base price falls sharply and reflect this the next day in the motorists pocket.
Or am I so wide of the mark that this is not just another way for fat cats to have the profits and the cream?
It is a shame that people are having such wide ranging discussions instead of coming together and sticking up the proverbial two fingers to sheer profit making companies.

Posted by Steve M, 23rd October 2008 11:15am

"if the forecasted future price is so wide of the mark that an immediate rise at the pump is unavoidable then surely the same applies in reverse. "

That's what I'm trying to find out - I suspect that the same *doesn't* apply in reverse, and am keeping an eye on futures prices for the time being. I won't have any kind of results until the prices rise again.

Posted by Bandidoz, 23rd October 2008 3:00pm

Bringing the situation up to date; oil now costs $70 a barrel (£42) whereas at it's peak of $147 (£73) which is almost half. Add to that the record quarterly profits recently announced by BP and Shell then we can see that UK motorists are being well and truly ripped off. Alistair Darling this morning called for forecourt prices to be dropped. "I want to see that reduction passed on to the pumps as quickly as possible ... because people are entitled to see the benefit of that falling price reflected in what they actually pay when they fill up the car." Quote from Yahoo news. Given that Shell's profits are £6 billion for the quarter when oil prices were over $100, I think it's time for the oil companies to put some of this huge profit back into the motorists pockets.

Posted by Chris Bovill, 30th October 2008 9:20am

petrol at 94p per liter and a barrel of oil now down to $56 per barrel. why is the price of fuel so high when the barrel price is so low

Posted by Peter Henderson, 12th November 2008 6:52pm

The greatest cost when we purchase fuel is the absolute rip off taxes imposed by the government. All very well for Darling / Brown wanting the fuel Companies to cut the pump cost but how about them reducing the various taxes? For example with petrol around 90p / gallon the government takes roughly 47p in fuel duty plus 13p in VAT, total of 60p in tax for every single gallon we put in our cars. The petrol companies take 23p and the retailer 7p.
Doesn't take a genius to work out who are the number 1 rip oiff merchants!!!

Posted by Brian Neil, 24th November 2008 8:08am

Peak oil Your comments are typical of someone in the southern belt where you have all the commuter perks. Work from home OH yes management and office worker- what about the bakers or manuals workers- You sound like you would have robots and pay off these people GET REAL and live in the Real world where people have to go in to workplace.

Posted by Peter R, 25th November 2008 7:15am

Unfortunatley we have a Governing party who pertain to being Labour when they are not. No way can this Labour party be classed as socialist. They are in fact "The Stuff You Mate I am going To Pinch Loads For MY Retirement Party" Brown and Darling keep spouting Fair Play but the long suffering brit has yet to see it happen. We are paying therough the nose to keep idle Jonny foreigner in comforts

Posted by Ivan Burrows, 25th November 2008 1:39pm

Today I paid 90.99 for a litre of unleaded = long may it last and go even further down!!
Mamy B

Posted by Pauline Mary Baggio, 25th November 2008 3:48pm

so now its the weak pound thats stopping fuel prices from dropping.really,wasnt we all told when prices were higher that it was the weak dollar that was responsible!,yes .well the way labour policys are going the pound will not be worth the paper its written on.

Posted by David Mellor, 25th November 2008 6:37pm

I don't think the weak currency is as much to blame as the general public of Great Britain.
In our town of Oswestry we have two fuel stations. The Shell station is always between 2 to 5 pence cheaper, per litre than th B.P., Yet customers are buying from B.P. Why? If all the customers bought from Shell, the B.P. would have to drive their price down to compete.
Why do people patronise the most expensive fuel station? Surely this would be the least people could do themselves to help the situation.

Posted by Allan Chambers, 5th December 2008 3:37pm

What I find difficult to understand is why are prices of fuel still so high. Oil dropped to $40 a barrel but lets say that they are $45 and had a peak of $145. When they were at their peak the $ 2 was worth £1 and now $1.5 is worth £1. As a diesel driver, the most I paid for diesel was just over the £1.20 mark, so let's say £1.20

Quick calculation:

oil £/$ diesel forex new diesel price
$145 $2 120 72.5 49.65517241
$45 $1.5 30


Why if you take the aboe into acount is diesel still above a £ a litre? Above are general numbers and in reality the numbers are slightly different but even so, The price for a liter of diesel should be closer to the £0.60 mark instead of the £1 mark.

Who o who can explain, am I missing something obvious?

Posted by Danny Bakker, 8th December 2008 12:37pm

Danny
You have forgotten about Duty and VAT. Duty = 52.35 pence, VAT on Duty = 7.85 pence - so that is more than 60 pence per litre before you even pay for the product, distribution charges, profit for the retailer and VAT on those elements.
Without huge tax cuts, 60 pence per litre is impossible.

Posted by Oiler, 8th December 2008 12:53pm

@45, true, I was always under the impression that this was a % but it isn't. Cheers for clearing it up.

(so it was the obvious :-))

Posted by Danny Bakker, 10th December 2008 11:55am
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