16.02.07 Why did you sign the travel tax petition?

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Unless you have had your head buried in the sand for the last 6 weeks, you will have seen and quite probably signed the travel tax petition.

Did you sign the travel tax petition?
Over 1.5 million UK citizens have now signed the petition which will be closed to new signatures on 20th February.

The petition is a plea to "scrap the planned vehicle tracking and road pricing policy" which the Department for Transport is proposing as a solution to congestion on UK roads. Every vehicle would be tracked via satellite and motorists would pay tax depending on how far they travel, at what time and on which roads. This new travel tax would probably take the place of vehicle tax discs and fuel tax (so petrol and diesel would be much cheaper).

We are delighted that the British public is getting so involved in this issue. However, for this petition to be a success, it should not just dismiss this travel tax idea outright. Instead, it should spark a debate into the pros and cons of this tax. If the proposed system is a bad idea then how do you think motoring should be taxed in the future? Let's all have our say and see if we can come up with a better solution. You tell us:
Do you support the concept of paying tax according to when and where you drive?

  • Could this new road tax system work?
  • Do you have a better idea of how to tax motoring?

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To make the people who use the roads most there should only be a tax on the fuel. That way, unless they are stealing the fuel, drivers using the roads most would pay the most.

Posted by David Foster, 14th March 2007 4:55pm

i have seen some silly comments about there are trains enough for everybody and we should all use them, which simply is untrue. take the cambridge to london half the people who commute form there have to stand all the way, surly thats not right. yes add more carrages so every one can sit but you can't add to many because trains have to be a certain distance apart when tavlling at speed. it is also more expensive to travel by train not to mention loud and unfriendly.
People need to start sharing there rides more to work there are to many single drives on the road, to many cars in one house hold.
You could easily have a family of four with children still living at home above 17 and all four people will have a car and quite offen 4-6 cars in this one house hold this is a big problem.
whemn i lived in bermuda in the 90's there was and is to this day a law which allows only one car per house hold and if you wanted transport then you would have to buy a moped, motorcycle or take the bus.
More pople should bike into work i took my license for motorbike last year to get form work and back.

i would also like to Know where all the road tax money has gone to improve roads and service if there are so many cars where is all the money and why do we not have better road systems.

there are also far to many trucks on the roads that should be using frate trains.

Posted by Wayne Reffell, 14th March 2007 6:58pm

for people who work for a living a car should not be seen as a luxuary especially for people who work shifts i rely on my car for work as the public transport is unable to get me to work on a morning shift

Posted by Andrew Bailey, 15th March 2007 10:51am

You must have realised that there are some of us who would actually benefit from such a scheme? My wife, in her beloved Mini, does only 800 miles PER YEAR! I do more like 2,000, but suppose that I also would end up on the right side of the deal. You may correctly deduce from this that we are both around 80 years old and therefore OAP's. Everyone is inclined to vote in their own interests - even those voting against this scheme are doing so out of self-interest. Of course, being a Government undertaking, it will take so many years to get under way that we will not be around to take advantage of it!

Posted by Anthony Silvester, 15th March 2007 11:50am

One consequence of road pricing by distance would be the popularity of the shortest routes for any given journey. This would mean that in rural areas such as Norfolk, all the single track inter-village 'roads' would become congested. Rat running would spread to the countryside in an attempt for drivers to find the shortest routes.

Posted by Frank Baldry, 15th March 2007 4:48pm

scrap all the fancy idea's and put all motoring costs on the price of petrol (ie road tax, fuel tax and insurance then we all pay the same for driving, if necessary you can load less experienced drivers as necessary. )

Posted by Gerry Muffett, 15th March 2007 5:23pm

I live in the sticks. We have 2 buses per day. No other transport infrastructure.

How, then, can those who live in rural areas; of which there are millions(!), possibly compare with those who live in a city. To be taxed per mile will surely mean that for example a 20 mile round trip to the supermarket will, over the course of a period of time cost me significantly more than my urban friends. Irrespective of my financial status - whether I'm rich or poor, this can in no way be a fair tax. Also, where's all this extra money going? Will it be like the airline 'environmental tax' of which not a penny is going to the envorinment. Mr. Brown, I wouldn't mind so much if I knew the money was going into the roads, environment, or to putting on more buses for me and my 'lazy' friends to carry bags of shopping home on, but the fact of the matter - and I think you'll agree - is that normal life in such areas cannot be conducted without the ownership and reasonable use of a car. Not everyone lives in London!

Posted by A Greave, 15th March 2007 11:49pm

I have read all the blogs with interest,and as one who has used public transport,but now require a car because it takes longer and costs more to travel to work and as a Public health officer could not do my work without one.
The only problem I see with comments made about disabled blue badges is that active members of a family use the badge when they should not do so-this I have seen many times and it does give badge holders a bad name.I have also seen the commments regarding Mrs Thatcher,however since the Labour Government has been in power taxes have gone up some 40% I have less disposable income now than previously.I agree that something must be done about reducing emmission and paying for fuel as you use it is the best idea-also all Governemnt officials should give up their large vehicles and more products should go my rail than by large trucks,and bring back the rail car transports for the long journeys.

Posted by Michael Jeffery Jones, 16th March 2007 9:18am

Terence, never has a truer word been spoken. It was a sad day for all when we became 'Blairs Britain'.

Posted by Matthew Wylde, 16th March 2007 12:07pm

I have never felt the desire or need to get involved in anything like this before but I'm amazed at how naive so many comments are.

Life is very different for each and every one of us... yes, granted, there are some of us who use our cars on short runs where we may have been able to walk.... but other costs have soared in recent years too meaning that people like myself DO make more thought as to whether the car was appropriate or not.

I have a regional job but do not have a company car.... I am only able to claim 28p per mile from the company which are a not-for-profit organisation. Not ALL of us will just be "putting it through expenses" and will bare any extras ourselves.

I am a single parent as well as being a carer for my elderly mother who lives with me and get no support from ANYWHERE..... I depend on my job.....which depends on my car.

Maybe some of our large corporations should look at transferring several staff to more local bases - as I'm sure we all cross each others paths on the daily trek to work.

I also agree with a more flexible and trusting attitude from employers in terms of occassional home working.

Unfortunately gone are the days when we were born, married, bred, worked, retired and died in the same community.

British business needs are very demanding on their staff and we are not all on a 9-5 shift in one set base either..... we MUST have the flexibilty of single user car use just to cope with these demands.

A little more of a realistic and open minded view would be appreciated by others- we are all unique, with different views and experiences..... isn't that what we strive to achieve in this country of ours?

Posted by Nikki Hardy, 16th March 2007 1:12pm

I'd like to be able to use Public transport more but round here it's almost impossible, and the roads are unfit for cars so impossible for bikes, just not safe.
I have to run a car for work, but we'v only the one car, me and my husband sharing as much as possible and John often using his bike as I have to have the car, we swapped to Diesel but unfortunatly the car has to be Big, I needed the boot space and the ability to take 5 big adults about ( Not a Chelsey Tractor but a saloon )
We'v searched and searched for an answere but untill the car companies develop more economical eco friendly vehicals and the government put money back into our public transport then I like many have my hands Tied, The knowledge is out there to solve this, and I would not object to being taxed if it was not so unjust , infact if the greedy manufacturers and the government wanted a solution they could find one, not by more taxes but by wize spending and better planning.
The same argument goes for our waste!

Posted by Sue Lane, 17th March 2007 6:21pm

REAL dedicated bus lanes, not just lines painted on the road, plus prority for buses equivalent to that given to trams would be a fast and eficient way to entice people out of cars and on to buses. Bring back the conducter to further increase efficiency. Many tram systems are proposed but the good old bus is far more flexible and would pay for itself in the long term. Most buses today run nearly empty except for pensioners on free passes.

Posted by Denys Armitage, 18th March 2007 5:21pm

I just want to say, I was one of those who did NOT get a response from Mr Bair, though I signed the petition. So I am inclined to agree with item 4002!
FIDDLED downwards.

Posted by Jjmcquire, 19th March 2007 12:46pm

Its all good and well people saying that increasing tax is a good thing for motorists who drive but please spare a thought for people like myslef who live in the remote Highlands and Islands of Scotland where there is no train, no bus, no other public transport and we need a car to get around as it is essential. Also for example to go to the local supermarket (well its a small co op!) is a 3 hr round trip on single track roads so we need a car here. So any increase in my tax to pay for something which is essential here is not good it's all good and well environmental do gooders saying increase car taxes but what about the likes of me?

Posted by Mairi Mcleod, 19th March 2007 5:58pm

I have a 2 litre volkswagon sharon. I do not use it to take my five children to school, nor do I use it for any short trips that are in walking distance as I dont mind walking, and I also never use public transport. I would not like to pay the travel tax as I think that I pay enough for the privilege of having my car now what with the road tax, insurance, petrol and the upkeep of the car such as mot and the service that I have done every year. Basically the car only goes out about twice a week once to do my weekly shop which I would not be able to get on a bus with nor be able to walk home with it as I have to cater for seven people and the other time is going out on a sunday. I think a lot of this arise because more and more people have 4x4s and big cars that people dont really need.

Posted by C. Perfect, 19th March 2007 9:23pm

A few weeks ago, I got a reply e-mail from Tony Blair...or rather his office! I read the mail with great interest, thought about what was said and considered it to be, like most of what Blair's Government says, as lies and misleading statements designed to pull the wool over our eyes. So I decided to reply to "Tony"! In the reply I stated that I thought that this was yet another stealth tax to hit the softest target of all, the poor over taxed motorist. I complained about the fuel duty, road fund licence and the congestion charge, not to mention speed cameras! Whilst in rant mode, I also had a moan about taking our Country to war with Iraq; a was that the vast majority did not want the UK to become involved in, however, good old Tony knew best and threw his hat in with Big George. I asked the question, If you cannot keep the streets safe in your own country, what on earth gives you the right to invade another country to bring them law and order? Then I got started on the issue of asylum seekers, and the fact that we are living on an already over-populated island and cannot take anymore people.
All this from the threat of yet another tax!!! Strangely Mr Blair's office hasn't replied. I wonder why......................

Posted by Brian Botham, 20th March 2007 5:56pm

I believe that the taxation on road vehicles is being deliberately segmented so that people just don't realise how much tax they are really paying. It's much easier to charge 89.9p. a litre (how the heck do you get 0.1p. change on a litre?? Answer: you don't - the garages are ripping off us motorists) and pay a high percentage of tax on that, PLUS the soon to be raised £175 a year road tax, PLUS the proposed mileage tax (it is nothing more nor less than that). For example, people would end up thinking something like they did for the M6 Toll Road: £4.50 - cheap to get there quicker. No it ain't! It's in addition to the tax you've already paid to build new roads through the tax disc bit, plus you're still paying tax on your fuel.

If you add up ALL the taxes on your journey you'll probably find you're paying out something like 50% plus in taxes - and that is already in place.

We need a good integrated transport system (See Yes Prime Minister episode for govt. views on that one - they haven't changed, it seems) but what do the government do? They de-regulate it so we're back to where we were in the 1850s with lots of companies vying but not correlating their timetables.

And of course we need to get lorries off the roads. I travel a lot by motorways and for the majority of the time it's wall to wall huge lorries blocking the inside lane - and on one occasion none of them would let me into that lane to exit the motorway where I needed to, adding on more than 30 miles and an hour to my journey. Big stuff needs to be made to go by rail; rail needs to be made to give reasonable rates instead of requiring a gilt edged mortgage to send the goods; fares on public transport need to be reasonable (in my local area a return journey of 1.8 miles costs £1.35 - bit extortionate, Stagecoach). And we need buses to get us to work on time - the earliest bus in my village is 7.15 a.m. which gets into the nearest city too late for me to actually get a job there. Either that or a mile walk up a very steep hill to the nearest bus.

But what do we do - and this is my main grouse of all - we behave like BAAAAA lambs, following the rest of the flock mindlessly, saying things like: well you just have to do it don't you. No we blooming well don't. We have to kick back and make a fuss and complain and scream and ....... I'm sure you'll think of a few other things.

Posted by Annecc, 20th March 2007 7:24pm

the road tax is a con as any brit knows we pay more than any eu country but G BROWN is a scot and if you look at the money he gices them it has to be paiyed for by guess who lets have a vote of no conveidance inhim and get english for england as they vote on us but we cant vote on them.

Posted by Roger Graham, 20th March 2007 8:53pm

I feel a change to road taxing should be to abolish the Road fund Licence and increase the tax paid on Fuel. This would be a totally fair scheme. The more you drive the more you pay. The more economical your car the less you pay.

Posted by Paul Edwards, 21st March 2007 8:33am

If the government would actually do something about the state of the roads then I might feel better about paying more. I've only been back to driving for a week or so but I have memorised about 30 potholes on my route from West Lothian to Edinburgh and back!

Maybe the government should actually be pouring the money into green cars and petrol, or dare I say it a 24 hour public (reliable) transport system! I understand that my car will be taxed but I would like the option of not using it at all!

Posted by A Ellis, 22nd March 2007 12:28pm

why is this goverment encouraging people from northern europe to travel here to work and then finding every way possible to tax us for co2 emisions

Posted by L Allard, 22nd March 2007 8:19pm

Big Brother Blair's control-freak regulation obsessed new labour takes another step towards a totally controlled Stalinist society. Sateliite tracking & monitoring of our every movement? We're already the most watched society in Europe if not the world: CCTV monitors us everywhere we walk now he wants to complete the piece by monitoring us everywhere we drive. The day Blair was elected was the end of personal freedom. The sooner the corrupt arrogant elected dictator & his cronies go the better.

Posted by Greg Lord, 23rd March 2007 5:26pm

I agree with earlier comments about Brown being Scottish thus favouring his own people at the expense of the English. After all the English voted Conservative in the last election - which is why England is the only UK country not to have it's own devolved parliament, 1 which would therefore be Conservative & not do as it's told by Tony & his cronies - & why we now have a government comprised almost entirely of Scots passing laws that are mandatory in England but not in Scotland where they have thir own parliament!! What is not widely appreciated is that TONY BLAIR IS ALSO SCOTTISH - he just lost his accent, in order probably to make himself more electable. Another of the many ways he has hoodwinked Britain.

Posted by Greg Lord, 23rd March 2007 5:41pm

I don't think that there is any one system that will be entirely fair. However I do think that Road Tax levied solely on the amount (and type) of fuel used is the fairest that can be devised.
Such a system gives people a number of choices, such as restricting the mileage that they cover, using the cheapest fuels, using more fuel efficient vehicles, and travelling at sensible speeds to conserve fuel.

Posted by John George Spencer Harry, 26th March 2007 10:13pm

The only thing i hate in this world are these missinformed green people, The global warming thing is bieng turned ito a scam. It must be like mana from heaven to blair and co.

Posted by D P Gregory, 27th March 2007 4:58pm

My wife works about 3 miles away from where we live. She can't drive so does rely on public transport. She catches a bus into the next village (which takes 30 minutes because it goes around all the streets in the area) she then waits at another open air bus stop (a bus stop with a sign, no cover to get out of the elements) for about 20 minutes for a connection. Eventually 1 hour 10 mins later she arrives at work.

It takes me 5 minutes to drive her to work. Sometimes the buses just don't turn up, making her wait a hour before another making her late for work. Sometimes they are full and the driver won't let her on.

My point being, if public transport was a) on time b) regular c) cheaper d)cleaner e) bus shelters instead of signs we might just get out of our cars and use them. Unfortunatley this isn't the case.

Secondly, taxing isn't the way forward, technology is the only way we will combat pollution. People who can afford to drive will, no matter how expensive it becomes, so the people who are on a lesser income are the only people that suffer.

Richard (it wouldn't allow me to put D**k!) Turpin comes to mind!

Posted by Neil_uk, 28th March 2007 4:30pm

The govenrment is abusing its power. I read some where that there was a certain number of votes needed in order for them to scrap the pay as you go plans. That number was reached, yet they will still go through with their plans.

We already have something that charges us by the mile... it's called petrol... The more you drive the more you need, its not rocket science. I guess they think that the 64% of the tax they get on petrol is not making them enough money.

Posted by Jack Movez, 28th March 2007 10:13pm

Why does the carbon footprint always relate to fuel consumption? Our Audi A8, highly taxed because its emissions are not so low is the only vehicle listed as 90% recyclable. "Green" cars (metal, not recyclable for much) run on highly toxic batteries which are piling up horrendous disposal problems for the future.

Fuel is burned unneccessarily in queues caused by bus lanes, asbestos dust is piling up from braking to accommodate traffic humps and CCTV cameras.

If there is a requirement to reduce the number of vehicles on the roads, grants for heavy industry to use canals and waterways as well as airships could cut significantly the number of lorries necessary for transporting non-perishable goods.

Public transport will never be a practical alternative to private cars as long as the routes do not correspond to where people actually want to go!

Posted by Mary Chennell, 29th March 2007 6:32pm

1) If cars were more environmentally friendly say like hybrid cars we could reduce petrol consumption by half or more! - but where are the government incentives to the manufacturers, etc.? Seems to me that the Government is thinking more about retaining all its tax income than helping the environment. Demonising cars as agents of global warming is being too simplistic by far - governments need to get their heads around the holistic approach needed, not look for ways to raise more taxes to 'offset' climate change!
2) I wholly support the posts from other contributors re: in many places the car is the only solution. I live in a rural area primarily because I can afford a decent home here but not in the city. I would happily eschew travel by car to work but this is impossible - its 16 miles to the train station, 20 miles to the nearest bus to the city and no local bus connections to either! In strict financial terms the car is the cheapest option.
3) I require a car in my job to travel between building sites, where feasible I do take public transport, but its often simply not possible.
4) And what about five years down the road when cars are contributing less to the carbon footprint? - will taxes be cut? - I don't think that's a realistic hope. Best fight tooth and nail against every tax now.
5) A couple of things that could very quickly reduce car carbon emissions - ban the 'dropping the kids off at school' runs and make them walk or if that's not feasible, arrange school buses. Savings on carbon emissions and congestion would be enormous - just look at the changes to the congestion on the roads during the school holidays!

Posted by Alan Hook, 29th March 2007 9:22pm

What I want to know is - WHEN are we motorists going to stand together and say to the Government "You're not doing all this stuff to us any more". We pay through the nose to buy our transport because public transport doesn't take us where we need to go, we pay through the nose to road-tax it, to insure it against all the pedestrians and cyclists, to fuel it (more money than ever is going to the taxman), we pay through the nose to stop anywhere and park it, to garage it, to maintain it, to prove to Government that it is maintained, we pay if we digress from the speed limit by more than a mile or so per hour, we pay if we spend too much time looking at the speedometer (and crash) and now we pay to keep victims of serious crime (serious criminals don't have to do this) if we happen to do slightly over the limit and get fined for speeding. Cyclists want us to pay for their insurance so that if they mess-up and get hit, we pay. What else is there that we motorists could be made to pay for ? Breathing ? ? ?

When are motorists ever going to be let off the hook ? ?

Posted by Rex Poulton, 31st March 2007 11:32am

As a road safety measure, I think all pedestrians (including joggers) and cyclists should be prohibited by law from using / wearing personal hifi headsets pushing loud music into their ears because this completely isolates them mentally and in sound, from all other road users - most especially the quiter vehicles which may be approaching from behind.
Some years ago, I did not realise an ambulance was on an emergency call behind me because I was enjoying in-car music and the flashing lights were obscured by the small size of my rear window. It was a lesson I learn quickly.
These days I notice too many people just amble about all over our roads oblivious to the traffic because they have personal stereo headsets on.

Posted by Rex Poulton, 31st March 2007 11:41am

I would not consider paying more tax. If the public transport alternative was available, I would use it. Where I live it is not. I am based north of Bristol and the traffic in the peak periods is heavy but my 15 minute each way commute by car (or motorcycle) turns into a nightmare of 1hr 30mins if I use public transport.

Posted by Mrb, 1st April 2007 2:58pm

When Tony takes the bus to his meetings, so will I. He is supposedly our leader so lead by example Tony. If the buses and trains are so great and perfectly clean and safe, lets see you use them day to day. Lead by example and get rid of the limos!! Road pricing is just another tax. Expensive to administer and allows endless streams of foreign trucks to travel without paying the tax.

A Bennetts in post number 31 has it right but hey, this tax is also about a few more 'jobs for the boys' isn't it. Currently one in four people in this country are employed in one form or another by the government or publicly funded organization. Nice way of keeping the unemployment figures down! Satallite system, little black box in every car, come on! This is expensive and easily cheatable lunacy. Oh and whats the carbon foot print of launching these extra satallites for the Galilaeo System and producing and distributing the little black boxes. I'll be interested to see who pays the most to get the contract to produce the black boxes and I'll put money on Capita being involved in the systems admistration.

Posted by B Lloyd-griffiths, 3rd April 2007 11:49am

im diabled live in the center ov leeds so what ever way i go i will be hit simplly becase ov were i live

Posted by John Roberts, 5th April 2007 8:30pm

On the street where I live the bus company withdrew the regular service and now if you need to get to town and back you need to call ring-n-ride, which for my mum don't honour her consessionary fare entitlement.

Posted by Myron, 9th April 2007 5:42pm

I do not agree with road pricing as I as a matter of principle consider tracking everyone's movements as an infringement on personal freedom, those that believe that any information gathered in this way would only be used for charging purposes are sticking thieer heads in the sand I can not see that in the fulnesss of time the police, security services, police or any other goverment department not making use of this information.
As to it being revenue neutral for that to happen it would have to generate the level of current revenue plus the cost of instalation, adminitration, maintainance, and charging, as with any other organisation the only way to raise money is from the consumer ie the motorist. At the end of the day to be "Revenue Neutral" would involve considerable extra cost to the Motorist.
I estimate that in my case could amount to anything up to £200 per week as I travel to work Off peak (NO Public transport available) but return at peak times (public transport available but I require my car for the following shift- so have to bring it home) This £200 represents 66% of my weekly net salary What am I supposed to live of and pay nessesary bills??

Posted by Edward Muiirhead, 10th April 2007 1:22pm

The truth is that government doesnt matter, and is no longer required today. The problem stems from the many naive british peolpe who still think they have some relevance, and spend time busting a gut trying to make these fools work better for us. The truth is the government lives in Fear, fear of loosing power, money and loosing control. The mind games, the compromises the cameras, the excuses and arbituary talk of action, are all signs of total incompetence and manufactured by suited marketing ministers to keep us interested and tied to that thin thread they still call democracy.
All we get from these loons is Ban, more bans, tax more tax, and more minority rights, these are all signs of weakness and fear, they fear we think they are not doing anything.
Their biggest fear is we ignore them, stop voting, stop paying silly fines. THey are on the back foot thats why they are so aggressive and controlling, time to get rid of them all, tell them to go away, never wote again, never pay a fine, live your life in peace and as you see fit, show the loons we can live without them. Don't be a whimp all your life.

Posted by Amodio Amato, 13th April 2007 12:57pm

What is the government thinking? They are already taxing the motorists enough. Now they want to tax people who need to drive every day for their living? Fair enough, when they make a new bridge or motorways, they can charge a toll until they recover the cost. But even then they should reduce the charge every year until they can finally scrap the charges. They should think about taxing motorists, after they have make the public transportation more safe, convenient, frequent, and cheap to use. Only then, they can complain that we are not using the public transportation enough. When I was in Japan, I did not feel a need to have a car. Because the public transportation net work was very good. You do not need a car to go anywhere in Japan.
I am sorry to leave you a message so late. I was ill and was not been checking the e-mail.
Hope the government gets our message and change their mind.

Posted by Mari Itoh, 19th April 2007 2:47pm

I live on a large estate 3 miles outside a major city , there is a bus stop at the end of my road a one miute walk so far so good eh !. Well actually no the buses run late every 20 mins until 9 then one an hour till 330 pm . If I were to catch a bus to work a 40.minute walk from my house it would require 3 changes and a 3.5 hr journey time If i drive and use a couple of congestion busting shortcuts it takes 10 mins and costs me 1.50 pounds including insurance tax and fuel and depreciation on my vehicle by bus nearly 5 pounds and free germs smelly buses crammed to the doors no seats dirty and noisy walk then ? fine on a summers day perhaps on a winters/rainy day would you put nearly an hour and a half on your day I think not buses cheaper on time more routes and cleaner then I would be happy to travel on one till then I will keep my car costing me £9 a week to commute Its all just a front god knows what its like if you live in the country

Posted by R Wallace, 19th April 2007 10:48pm

Quote "Posted by Carol Hayward-peel Teachers salaries as you know are set by the government. We have never had a high income and that is unlikely to change. We struggle to survive on what we earn as do many other middle income families. We rarely use our cars other than for getting to work. If the travel tax is introduced it is likely that we would both have to stop working as we would not be able to afford the cost of getting to work. Two more teachers leaving the profession."

You should get a job as a politician, or even a pensioner! You "struggle to survive on what we earn as do many other middle income families."

What a lod of b****** I have never read such c*** in all my life, god help the working class or disabled. Go give up your job and for starters you will get no money from the government, and if and when you can get money then you will know what it is like to live on a low income!

Get a life and live in the real world.

Disgusted.

Posted by Bob W, 26th April 2007 12:51am

I agree with David L, public transport would and should be the way forward. BUT has he ever used it? Any public transport in England is expensive to use, difficult to book cheap tickets due to complex ticketing arrangements, dirty, not very punctual, and totally inconvienient to required destinations.

Rush hour travel is just one example. The one time of the day to encourage people out of their cars and into public transport and what do you get? Inflated travel charges in order to screw as much money out of the general public as possible.

Ever tried to go on holiday with kids, carrying as much gear as we do now: tents, bikes, surfboards ,etc.

Until we get a cheap, convienient, reliable alternative, integrated with all forms of public transport, is it any wonder people stay in their cars.

Posted by Paul Mounsdon, 27th April 2007 2:40pm

This proposal is nothing to do with finding a solution to road congestion. It, like many other sinister plans is an excuse to track everyone wherever they go. In line with this will be the new passport and ID cards with IRFD chips which will track you out of your car transmitting the data for some distance.

Do you want a government that wants to know everything about you, where you go, when you go and how you go? Is that healthy in a democracy. Think about it. Blair has proposed that in 2012 the streets will be patrolled by foreign police with powers far greater than they have now. When the ID cards are made compulsory, if the idea isn't alarming enough, they have declared that they will make your details available to banks and businesses for a fee. So already your privacy has been compromised to the point where a police state or totalitarian regime would have a field day.

Do not sign or agree to such things as tracking for cars there are other solutions other than this further attack on your privacy and freedom, besides the idea that car tax and petrol tax will be abolished is ludicrous this travel charge will be on top of existing taxes.

Posted by Louis, 2nd May 2007 12:02am

Iv read all the comments on this blog, carn't you all see this is not about congestion or saving the enviroment. This is about the government MAKEING more money out of motorists, they know people carn't live and work without cars. The roads are a shambles public transport is a joke. you take your life in your own hands on the streets. The goverment will tax us all one way or another, we all know its going to happen. And we all know what ever scheme they come up with it will be a mess same as everything else. It wont bother polititions with thier expence accounts.

Posted by Peter Drury, 9th May 2007 12:03am

firstly i would like to say how much i strongly disagree with Una and David's comments to the extent that i would question which century they think they are living in!!! its a sign of the times and the developing world!

I also NEED my car, i work in a Wythenshawe, Manchester and travel from Derbyshire every weekday in rush hour. I have contemplated using public transport, but i would need a taxi to get to my nearest train station, then a 40 minute train journey to Manchester Piccadilly, then from Piccadilly to Manchester Airport, then from the Airport to a bus stop followed by a bus journey and a walk to work. All in all this would take me over double the length of time (even more so after i add on waiting time for public transport) it takes me to travel by car, now realistically i know what most people would choose in my position!

I have a sister who stands up on a train from Sheffield to Manchester to get home for the weekend to see her mum! she pays to stand up on a packed train for a good hours journey! where is the money going to improve these services?

in addition i have many friends who are small self employed business men and women (one is even a courier) who NEED their vehicles to visit clients, to price up jobs etc. My own partner is a cabinet maker and antique restorer, are you saying he would realistically get on a local bus with a long case to visit a client? I dont think so.

obviously it seems Una and David L have not even thought about all these things!!!!! They seriously believe it is fair and just to impose yet another tax on people when the Government's public spending on public services is nowhere to be seen. The money should not be squeezed out of the hard workers of this country, but from the Governments big pot!

Posted by Catherine Hanlon, 9th May 2007 9:16am

Cars are part of life today. We cannot turn the clock back. Public transport is not an option for a great many car users. They have items to transport - they have multiple journeys in a day - tight time schedules - or maybe, quite likely, there is no public transport.
Why another tax? The tax on fuel already makes us pay exactly in line with not only our mileage but for the type of vehicle we drive. If I drive 20mpg car for 25 thousand miles a year I pay a lot more towards road costs than someone who runs a Fiesta to the shops twice a week.
Why make it more complicated?
Am I paranoiac or is this tracking the thin end of the wedge toward State control of our every movement? Chips under the scalps at birth soon?

Posted by Roger Loat, 21st May 2007 8:02am

Any one who thinks that road pricing is good idea and that the government, will put that money back into the upkeep of the road network is living in dream world !!!!

We already pay way too much for road tax, the cost of petrol is mostly tax (85%) and yet this stealth taxation obsessed goverment wants us to put our hands even deeper into our pockets to pay EVEN MORE for using the roads.

I signed the no road pricing web site, but now I hear this lying/ coniving bunch of hypocrits are still going to make us have this road pricing farse, well thats democrocy for you....

If, and ONLY if the road tax was either reduced or abolished all togeather, would I support road pricing, because you can bet your last £ that this bunch of idiots in power, will arse it up, just like every other thing they have a hand in, it just "will not" work in this country to the same degree of effiecency that is does in France, where the money collected from tolls is channelled back into the road up keep, in this country it will be diverted to some other fund just the same was as all the tax thats currently collected from road tax/petrol costs is now, into keeping the troops in Iraq or giving hundreds of billions of pounds away to some third world dump, to keep them in AK47's, so they can them bomb the UK.... thats why the roads are full of pot holes, and we hear comments from certain quarters thats they keep them like this to slow down the traffic, what a load of hogwash.

You can keep your roads pricing, abolish or reduce tohe cost of road tax, and put the cost on a gallon of petrol, that way the people who do the most driving, and cause the most damage to the roads and the envirenment will be paying to put it right and not the people wh oonly cover smallish mileages a year.

Posted by Jez, 23rd May 2007 7:37pm

I agree with Jez. Look at the system we have currently. Only a small fraction of car related tax income is actually spent on the road system. We have roads that are so potholed it will take 20 years to put them right. Pothole and bump dodging has become a new game for me wherever I drive. If I reported every single one in my city to the council I would have a bible to present to them. It would probably take me a whole year of full time surveying to compile it! If they bring in road pricing this sure as hell isn't going to change. They'll still rake in all their tax from us and we'll still drive on the worst conditioned roads in europe.

Forget this road pricing. But don't stick any more on petrol, we already pay enough tax so that it is already a form of pay-as-you-drive right now.

Posted by Martin, 23rd May 2007 11:16pm

In the real world for a lot of us we need a car to travel to are places of work.
Like myself i work out of the town where I live in where there is no buses or trains that travel to where I work Plus I do shift work so I work all funny hours If there was public transport going to where I work i would use it as long the fair is cheaper then taking the car and i know by friends who work local its just as cheap using the car then paying bus/train fair. This counrty got a long way to get thing right, what we pay in road/fuel tax should be paying for better transport but no its going on other thing they are just ripping us of again.

Posted by Steve Glover, 26th May 2007 11:31pm

The whole point of the Tax is to encourage people to reduce the emissions that are currently being produced by you and your driving. Global warming is a massive and ever more current problem which needs to be addressed. Of course an introduction of a road Tax will mean that fuel Tax isn't decreased - the idea is to make it more expensive to drive so that you then use subsidised Public Transport, which works out cheaper, therefore reducing the amount of emissions produced. People who drive 4x4's etc are going to be hit hardest becuase they are the ones which produce the most emissions.
If you want a decent future for the next generation then we need to do something about Global warming - which is being done.

Posted by R.e, 27th June 2007 9:33am

Just anothe nail in the coffin of rip-off Britain

Posted by S Brompty, 17th July 2007 3:03am

Road tax is just a way of depriving the poor of the freedom of their own transport, the fairest way is to tax is on the annual mileage, this can be achieved by way of the documented mileage recorded every time you renew your MOT details of which are held by the DVLA, all new vehicles could be taxed at the average mileage rate until their first MOT. Why not leave the motorist alone and fine politicians who do not give direct answers to questions.

Posted by Roger, 24th July 2007 12:26am

Not only do people WANT to use their cars over public transport, mostly to avoid having to travel with the chavs, hoodies and drunks but so THEY can decide WHEN and WHERE to travel.

What most people are not mentioning is the millions of lorries and vans on the roads which are getting NO blame for congestion at all whilst often being the prime cause, as how many times have you seen it happen that a lorry or van stops somewhere and that's it nothing can get past it, particularly another lorry or van, result, a que.

So wake up you clean air greenies, short of taking everyone back to the dark ages your ideas won't work, EVER!

Posted by S Brompty, 25th July 2007 12:29am

its time all car owners .made provision to have their cars off the road when not in use, that would free a bit of space up.

Posted by Brian Walters, 29th July 2007 10:27am

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I got my drivers licence in November 2006. The only reason I decided to take lessons at the age of 27 was that public transport is far to expensive to carry on using.

I have used public transport all my life and 2 years ago I finally had had enough. The lateness, grubbiness being over packed, cancellation after cancellation need I go on....

People of the UK are the only non third world country I know of that actually has to work the hardest, pay more taxes than any other part of the world. Growing up through Thatcher and her poor excuse of a government watching my mum and dad struggle to keep a float while she did nothing to help the UK... Not one thing that woman did to help this county and none of the other before her or current.

I watched my mum and dad deprive them selves, couldn't save, couldn't go on holiday, couldn't even afford a car, nothing, while fat politicians lived in a land of luxury on my mother and fathers taxes. Then we joined the EU... WHY???? It's done us no favours, none at all. Now we've got some idiot in No: 10 who still sees fit that we host the 2012 games? And we seem to hand out more money to other deprived countries when we have are own problems.

So we can all sit on this website pounding at the key board telling each other moaning at each other, whilst at the end off the day what ever we do and say isn't going to make a bit of difference what so ever to rising taxes... The only people we can blame is ourselves... We vote for these people (Well I never have because I don't believe any government has ever kept a promise) to come into "POWER" yet we also can vote them out and replace them with someone just as bad or even worse.

This county use to have a very large empire (at the cost of other peoples lives and misery) and the people of the UK deserves what is happening now. Ever heard of the term "History repeats its self and "what goes around comes around?"

I give it a another year or 2 and will be at war with another part of the world taxes will be high, there will be a housing crash, will still have billions of people unemployed, sick, not enough schools, hospitals and so forth and yet we will still have a government and a worthless Royal Family that will be paying for, for the rest of time until the earth has had enough and decided to freeze us all to death. The richer gets richer and the poor keep paying them.... Need I say more?

Oh yes I forgot as I went off on a tangent.... I gave up pubic transport because for me and my partner is cost us £3000 a year to travel 50 miles a day to and from work. I brought a car in Aug 07 at the cost of £4500, tax was £35 for the year insurance group 5 and it's a diesel car. I filled the car up on Thursday when I brought it in Wales and drove all the way to the east coast, 400 miles I did in that one trip... I still had 3 quarters of a tank left when I got home so a large % of my brain tells me that I'm going to be better off... Even if the car goes wrong I would still be better off. Because I won't be wasting my life waiting for cancelled trains, over paying for a poor service, not having a seat...NOT HAVING A LIFE... Cars are getting better and better each year. There more reliable.. We may get stuck in q's now and again but I would rather be in a traffic jam then on a platform of a crumpled train station waiting for a sardine tin to take me home which takes an hour if it runs on time then it would in my 2002 used car which is better to me as a person and my life is just as important as the environment is.

SO YES I THINK I WILL SAVE MORE MONEY A YEAR THAN I WOULD PAYING FOR THE GOOD OLD PUBLIC TRANSPORT!

Posted by Daniel Jones, 7th August 2007 11:40pm

PS. I almost forgot to say that good old "Publice Trasport" might be subsidised but will it run 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 odd days of the year...Because the people out in the real world don't just work 9-5! Becuase we work our-selves into the ground to pay for this government I think some of us seem to forget the nurses, doctors, police and so forth that need transport to get to and from work at obseen times to look after the rest of the uk that doesn't work these life styles.

Posted by Daniel Jones, 7th August 2007 11:54pm

no to toll tax on all roads its just more money out of your wage packet,shortly
it will be a waste of time going to work, something needs to be done about the amount of cars on the road without tax and insurance.
that would more of a impact on congestion not to tax the people already using the roads legaly.

Posted by Michelle Lomas, 9th August 2007 5:39pm

Ican't afford a house close to where I work The public transport Can't get me to work for seven o'clock start. Apart from the fact that I would be changing buses quite a few times to cover the 24 miles. A very long day. Improve public transport and I'd use it. Alternatively drop the house prices, or pay me more so my family and I could live close to.

Posted by Phil Smith, 25th September 2007 11:07pm

If the government is aiming to price us onto public transport, (for all those noble reasons of pollution, global warming etc) what about starting with freight first?
When did you last see a goods train? It was the government, through Dr Beeching, who wrecked the rail freight network. Let them reinstate it first before laying all the blame and cost on the private motorist. Get the heavy goods off the road and back on the rails and the effect will be far more dramatic in terms of lower pollution; lesser congestion; reduced road repair bills; better, faster and safer road communication and probably lower cost freight movement than reducing my mileage by a few percent a year.

Posted by Roger Loat, 8th October 2007 2:01pm

Here are my points of view.
a: Make Public Transport easier and accessible for all including the Disabled and wheelchair bound.
b: Put Conductors/Guards on board Public Transport to ensure that the all users are not afflicted by rude ignorant individuals who swear/spit/drop litter/put their feet on the back or any part of the seating. In other words to Police journeys making them pleasant rather then listen and to observe hostile behaviour..
c: Force more freight off the roads and transport goods via trains to areas where smaller vehicles ie vans can distribute.
d: Build Flyovers (roads above roads) you do not require to waste more land this way.
e: You should still have the choice to use your own forms of transport especially if you've got children and animals along with many suitcases when you travel.

Posted by Ronald Parker, 7th December 2007 8:52pm

My friends and I often go camping and usually we have to take two cars to accommodate 4 adults and all of the equipment. Now we use a one 4x4 which accommodates 4 adults and all of the equipment. The fuel bills on trips are now a lot lower and so is our carbon footprint.

Posted by James Mansfield, 21st March 2008 4:35pm

I would like to know the costs for collecting the vehicle excise duty. I found on the web that in 1984-1985 this was £88 million and 4180 people employed. 20-25 years later I assume today this would be hundreds of millions.

What a waste of our money.

The tax should be collected via the fuel, the more you use the more you pay. And we'd be hundreds of millions better off...

AND the government can then stop wasting their time and our time on issues of how and by how much they will amend the vehicle excise duty rates, every year.

Additionally I saw during a visit to Australia that your car tax included 3rd party insurance. Minimum cover. If you wanted more cover, i.e. fully comp., fire and theft, etc you pay for an additional policy from an insurance broker.

Evolving from this idea, I think if 3rd party insurance should be paid via vehicle excise duty. The more you drive, the more risk you are and the more you pay.

This would reduce the amount of uninsured vehicles which I read on a government website was 2 million or 6% of the UK vehicle fleet.

While this way would not be completely fair for all it's better than the existing system.

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Posted by Latanya, 7th July 2009 5:18pm

have just received my road tax annual registration form. My car (SEAT AROSA small car - 5 years old) is £120. A friend of mine was forced to purchase a new a car; (because her old car could not be repaired) her road tax is £35. We both live in an area were public transport is virtually none existence and need our cars to travel to work and back. We do not work at the same place or area, so it is not possible to car share. My friend is finding the repayments of the car quite stressful. We both work with children with special needs (on low pay) but find and enjoy the job very much. She along with me is seriously thing of leaving the job due to financial constricts. Do the people who think that by forcing people to buy new cars or face paying higher road tax live in this REAL WORLD? The majority of people need their cars and they are not a luxury. I feel very angry and frustrated that - 1 - I have to pay more road tax for my car (because I am unable to afford a new one and cannot do without it. - 2 - The public transport is virtually none existent - 3 - I do not want to be forced to leave my job working with children with various special needs (autistic - downs syndrome - cerebral palsy)

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