Why did you sign the travel tax petition?

3982 Comments | Add Comment | Blog entry posted 16th February, 2007

Unless you have had your head buried in the sand for the last 6 weeks, you will have seen and quite probably signed the travel tax petition.

{poll=16}Over 1.5 million UK citizens have now signed the petition which will be closed to new signatures on 20th February.

The petition is a plea to “scrap the planned vehicle tracking and road pricing policy” which the Department for Transport is proposing as a solution to congestion on UK roads. Every vehicle would be tracked via satellite and motorists would pay tax depending on how far they travel, at what time and on which roads. This new travel tax would probably take the place of vehicle tax discs and fuel tax (so petrol and diesel would be much cheaper).

We are delighted that the British public is getting so involved in this issue. However, for this petition to be a success, it should not just dismiss this travel tax idea outright. Instead, it should spark a debate into the pros and cons of this tax. If the proposed system is a bad idea then how do you think motoring should be taxed in the future? Let’s all have our say and see if we can come up with a better solution. You tell us:
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Newton September 9, 2009

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How are you doing.
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Rachelle September 8, 2009

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Hi everyone. The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness, can be trained to do most things.
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Tate September 5, 2009

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I love guest books, keep up the good work!.
I am from Czech and also now am reading in English, give true I wrote the following sentence: "Married stores will notably convert a park with sizable stage church without winning the bill to the point."

Thank you so much for your future answers :D. Tate.

Kathleen Turner August 7, 2009

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have just received my road tax annual registration form. My car (SEAT AROSA small car - 5 years old) is £120. A friend of mine was forced to purchase a new a car; (because her old car could not be repaired) her road tax is £35. We both live in an area were public transport is virtually none existence and need our cars to travel to work and back. We do not work at the same place or area, so it is not possible to car share. My friend is finding the repayments of the car quite stressful. We both work with children with special needs (on low pay) but find and enjoy the job very much. She along with me is seriously thing of leaving the job due to financial constricts. Do the people who think that by forcing people to buy new cars or face paying higher road tax live in this REAL WORLD? The majority of people need their cars and they are not a luxury. I feel very angry and frustrated that - 1 - I have to pay more road tax for my car (because I am unable to afford a new one and cannot do without it. - 2 - The public transport is virtually none existent - 3 - I do not want to be forced to leave my job working with children with various special needs (autistic - downs syndrome - cerebral palsy)

Latanya July 7, 2009

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How are you. I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.
I am from Islands and too bad know English, give true I wrote the following sentence: "The world wide web makes the playing field much more level."

Thanks :-). Latanya.

Paul Borroughs December 17, 2008

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I would like to know the costs for collecting the vehicle excise duty. I found on the web that in 1984-1985 this was £88 million and 4180 people employed. 20-25 years later I assume today this would be hundreds of millions.

What a waste of our money.

The tax should be collected via the fuel, the more you use the more you pay. And we'd be hundreds of millions better off...

AND the government can then stop wasting their time and our time on issues of how and by how much they will amend the vehicle excise duty rates, every year.

Additionally I saw during a visit to Australia that your car tax included 3rd party insurance. Minimum cover. If you wanted more cover, i.e. fully comp., fire and theft, etc you pay for an additional policy from an insurance broker.

Evolving from this idea, I think if 3rd party insurance should be paid via vehicle excise duty. The more you drive, the more risk you are and the more you pay.

This would reduce the amount of uninsured vehicles which I read on a government website was 2 million or 6% of the UK vehicle fleet.

While this way would not be completely fair for all it's better than the existing system.

James Mansfield March 21, 2008

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My friends and I often go camping and usually we have to take two cars to accommodate 4 adults and all of the equipment. Now we use a one 4x4 which accommodates 4 adults and all of the equipment. The fuel bills on trips are now a lot lower and so is our carbon footprint.

Ronald Parker December 7, 2007

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Here are my points of view.
a: Make Public Transport easier and accessible for all including the Disabled and wheelchair bound.
b: Put Conductors/Guards on board Public Transport to ensure that the all users are not afflicted by rude ignorant individuals who swear/spit/drop litter/put their feet on the back or any part of the seating. In other words to Police journeys making them pleasant rather then listen and to observe hostile behaviour..
c: Force more freight off the roads and transport goods via trains to areas where smaller vehicles ie vans can distribute.
d: Build Flyovers (roads above roads) you do not require to waste more land this way.
e: You should still have the choice to use your own forms of transport especially if you've got children and animals along with many suitcases when you travel.

Roger Loat October 8, 2007

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If the government is aiming to price us onto public transport, (for all those noble reasons of pollution, global warming etc) what about starting with freight first?
When did you last see a goods train? It was the government, through Dr Beeching, who wrecked the rail freight network. Let them reinstate it first before laying all the blame and cost on the private motorist. Get the heavy goods off the road and back on the rails and the effect will be far more dramatic in terms of lower pollution; lesser congestion; reduced road repair bills; better, faster and safer road communication and probably lower cost freight movement than reducing my mileage by a few percent a year.

Phil Smith September 25, 2007

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Ican't afford a house close to where I work The public transport Can't get me to work for seven o'clock start. Apart from the fact that I would be changing buses quite a few times to cover the 24 miles. A very long day. Improve public transport and I'd use it. Alternatively drop the house prices, or pay me more so my family and I could live close to.

Michelle Lomas August 9, 2007

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no to toll tax on all roads its just more money out of your wage packet,shortly
it will be a waste of time going to work, something needs to be done about the amount of cars on the road without tax and insurance.
that would more of a impact on congestion not to tax the people already using the roads legaly.

Daniel Jones August 7, 2007

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PS. I almost forgot to say that good old "Publice Trasport" might be subsidised but will it run 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 odd days of the year...Because the people out in the real world don't just work 9-5! Becuase we work our-selves into the ground to pay for this government I think some of us seem to forget the nurses, doctors, police and so forth that need transport to get to and from work at obseen times to look after the rest of the uk that doesn't work these life styles.

Daniel Jones August 7, 2007

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I got my drivers licence in November 2006. The only reason I decided to take lessons at the age of 27 was that public transport is far to expensive to carry on using.

I have used public transport all my life and 2 years ago I finally had had enough. The lateness, grubbiness being over packed, cancellation after cancellation need I go on....

People of the UK are the only non third world country I know of that actually has to work the hardest, pay more taxes than any other part of the world. Growing up through Thatcher and her poor excuse of a government watching my mum and dad struggle to keep a float while she did nothing to help the UK... Not one thing that woman did to help this county and none of the other before her or current.

I watched my mum and dad deprive them selves, couldn't save, couldn't go on holiday, couldn't even afford a car, nothing, while fat politicians lived in a land of luxury on my mother and fathers taxes. Then we joined the EU... WHY???? It's done us no favours, none at all. Now we've got some idiot in No: 10 who still sees fit that we host the 2012 games? And we seem to hand out more money to other deprived countries when we have are own problems.

So we can all sit on this website pounding at the key board telling each other moaning at each other, whilst at the end off the day what ever we do and say isn't going to make a bit of difference what so ever to rising taxes... The only people we can blame is ourselves... We vote for these people (Well I never have because I don't believe any government has ever kept a promise) to come into "POWER" yet we also can vote them out and replace them with someone just as bad or even worse.

This county use to have a very large empire (at the cost of other peoples lives and misery) and the people of the UK deserves what is happening now. Ever heard of the term "History repeats its self and "what goes around comes around?"

I give it a another year or 2 and will be at war with another part of the world taxes will be high, there will be a housing crash, will still have billions of people unemployed, sick, not enough schools, hospitals and so forth and yet we will still have a government and a worthless Royal Family that will be paying for, for the rest of time until the earth has had enough and decided to freeze us all to death. The richer gets richer and the poor keep paying them.... Need I say more?

Oh yes I forgot as I went off on a tangent.... I gave up pubic transport because for me and my partner is cost us £3000 a year to travel 50 miles a day to and from work. I brought a car in Aug 07 at the cost of £4500, tax was £35 for the year insurance group 5 and it's a diesel car. I filled the car up on Thursday when I brought it in Wales and drove all the way to the east coast, 400 miles I did in that one trip... I still had 3 quarters of a tank left when I got home so a large % of my brain tells me that I'm going to be better off... Even if the car goes wrong I would still be better off. Because I won’t be wasting my life waiting for cancelled trains, over paying for a poor service, not having a seat...NOT HAVING A LIFE... Cars are getting better and better each year. There more reliable.. We may get stuck in q's now and again but I would rather be in a traffic jam then on a platform of a crumpled train station waiting for a sardine tin to take me home which takes an hour if it runs on time then it would in my 2002 used car which is better to me as a person and my life is just as important as the environment is.

SO YES I THINK I WILL SAVE MORE MONEY A YEAR THAN I WOULD PAYING FOR THE GOOD OLD PUBLIC TRANSPORT!

Brian Walters July 29, 2007

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its time all car owners .made provision to have their cars off the road when not in use, that would free a bit of space up.

S Brompty July 25, 2007

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Not only do people WANT to use their cars over public transport, mostly to avoid having to travel with the chavs, hoodies and drunks but so THEY can decide WHEN and WHERE to travel.

What most people are not mentioning is the millions of lorries and vans on the roads which are getting NO blame for congestion at all whilst often being the prime cause, as how many times have you seen it happen that a lorry or van stops somewhere and that's it nothing can get past it, particularly another lorry or van, result, a que.

So wake up you clean air greenies, short of taking everyone back to the dark ages your ideas won't work, EVER!

Roger July 24, 2007

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Road tax is just a way of depriving the poor of the freedom of their own transport, the fairest way is to tax is on the annual mileage, this can be achieved by way of the documented mileage recorded every time you renew your MOT details of which are held by the DVLA, all new vehicles could be taxed at the average mileage rate until their first MOT. Why not leave the motorist alone and fine politicians who do not give direct answers to questions.

R.e June 27, 2007

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The whole point of the Tax is to encourage people to reduce the emissions that are currently being produced by you and your driving. Global warming is a massive and ever more current problem which needs to be addressed. Of course an introduction of a road Tax will mean that fuel Tax isn't decreased - the idea is to make it more expensive to drive so that you then use subsidised Public Transport, which works out cheaper, therefore reducing the amount of emissions produced. People who drive 4x4's etc are going to be hit hardest becuase they are the ones which produce the most emissions.
If you want a decent future for the next generation then we need to do something about Global warming - which is being done.

Steve Glover May 26, 2007

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In the real world for a lot of us we need a car to travel to are places of work.
Like myself i work out of the town where I live in where there is no buses or trains that travel to where I work Plus I do shift work so I work all funny hours If there was public transport going to where I work i would use it as long the fair is cheaper then taking the car and i know by friends who work local its just as cheap using the car then paying bus/train fair. This counrty got a long way to get thing right, what we pay in road/fuel tax should be paying for better transport but no its going on other thing they are just ripping us of again.

Martin May 23, 2007

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I agree with Jez. Look at the system we have currently. Only a small fraction of car related tax income is actually spent on the road system. We have roads that are so potholed it will take 20 years to put them right. Pothole and bump dodging has become a new game for me wherever I drive. If I reported every single one in my city to the council I would have a bible to present to them. It would probably take me a whole year of full time surveying to compile it! If they bring in road pricing this sure as hell isn't going to change. They'll still rake in all their tax from us and we'll still drive on the worst conditioned roads in europe.

Forget this road pricing. But don't stick any more on petrol, we already pay enough tax so that it is already a form of pay-as-you-drive right now.

Jez May 23, 2007

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Any one who thinks that road pricing is good idea and that the government, will put that money back into the upkeep of the road network is living in dream world !!!!

We already pay way too much for road tax, the cost of petrol is mostly tax (85%) and yet this stealth taxation obsessed goverment wants us to put our hands even deeper into our pockets to pay EVEN MORE for using the roads.

I signed the no road pricing web site, but now I hear this lying/ coniving bunch of hypocrits are still going to make us have this road pricing farse, well thats democrocy for you....

If, and ONLY if the road tax was either reduced or abolished all togeather, would I support road pricing, because you can bet your last £ that this bunch of idiots in power, will arse it up, just like every other thing they have a hand in, it just "will not" work in this country to the same degree of effiecency that is does in France, where the money collected from tolls is channelled back into the road up keep, in this country it will be diverted to some other fund just the same was as all the tax thats currently collected from road tax/petrol costs is now, into keeping the troops in Iraq or giving hundreds of billions of pounds away to some third world dump, to keep them in AK47's, so they can them bomb the UK.... thats why the roads are full of pot holes, and we hear comments from certain quarters thats they keep them like this to slow down the traffic, what a load of hogwash.

You can keep your roads pricing, abolish or reduce tohe cost of road tax, and put the cost on a gallon of petrol, that way the people who do the most driving, and cause the most damage to the roads and the envirenment will be paying to put it right and not the people wh oonly cover smallish mileages a year.

Roger Loat May 21, 2007

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Cars are part of life today. We cannot turn the clock back. Public transport is not an option for a great many car users. They have items to transport - they have multiple journeys in a day - tight time schedules - or maybe, quite likely, there is no public transport.
Why another tax? The tax on fuel already makes us pay exactly in line with not only our mileage but for the type of vehicle we drive. If I drive 20mpg car for 25 thousand miles a year I pay a lot more towards road costs than someone who runs a Fiesta to the shops twice a week.
Why make it more complicated?
Am I paranoiac or is this tracking the thin end of the wedge toward State control of our every movement? Chips under the scalps at birth soon?

Catherine Hanlon May 9, 2007

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firstly i would like to say how much i strongly disagree with Una and David's comments to the extent that i would question which century they think they are living in!!! its a sign of the times and the developing world!

I also NEED my car, i work in a Wythenshawe, Manchester and travel from Derbyshire every weekday in rush hour. I have contemplated using public transport, but i would need a taxi to get to my nearest train station, then a 40 minute train journey to Manchester Piccadilly, then from Piccadilly to Manchester Airport, then from the Airport to a bus stop followed by a bus journey and a walk to work. All in all this would take me over double the length of time (even more so after i add on waiting time for public transport) it takes me to travel by car, now realistically i know what most people would choose in my position!

I have a sister who stands up on a train from Sheffield to Manchester to get home for the weekend to see her mum! she pays to stand up on a packed train for a good hours journey! where is the money going to improve these services?

in addition i have many friends who are small self employed business men and women (one is even a courier) who NEED their vehicles to visit clients, to price up jobs etc. My own partner is a cabinet maker and antique restorer, are you saying he would realistically get on a local bus with a long case to visit a client? I dont think so.

obviously it seems Una and David L have not even thought about all these things!!!!! They seriously believe it is fair and just to impose yet another tax on people when the Government's public spending on public services is nowhere to be seen. The money should not be squeezed out of the hard workers of this country, but from the Governments big pot!

Peter Drury May 9, 2007

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Iv read all the comments on this blog, carn't you all see this is not about congestion or saving the enviroment. This is about the government MAKEING more money out of motorists, they know people carn't live and work without cars. The roads are a shambles public transport is a joke. you take your life in your own hands on the streets. The goverment will tax us all one way or another, we all know its going to happen. And we all know what ever scheme they come up with it will be a mess same as everything else. It wont bother polititions with thier expence accounts.

Louis May 2, 2007

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This proposal is nothing to do with finding a solution to road congestion. It, like many other sinister plans is an excuse to track everyone wherever they go. In line with this will be the new passport and ID cards with IRFD chips which will track you out of your car transmitting the data for some distance.

Do you want a government that wants to know everything about you, where you go, when you go and how you go? Is that healthy in a democracy. Think about it. Blair has proposed that in 2012 the streets will be patrolled by foreign police with powers far greater than they have now. When the ID cards are made compulsory, if the idea isn't alarming enough, they have declared that they will make your details available to banks and businesses for a fee. So already your privacy has been compromised to the point where a police state or totalitarian regime would have a field day.

Do not sign or agree to such things as tracking for cars there are other solutions other than this further attack on your privacy and freedom, besides the idea that car tax and petrol tax will be abolished is ludicrous this travel charge will be on top of existing taxes.

Paul Mounsdon April 27, 2007

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I agree with David L, public transport would and should be the way forward. BUT has he ever used it? Any public transport in England is expensive to use, difficult to book cheap tickets due to complex ticketing arrangements, dirty, not very punctual, and totally inconvienient to required destinations.

Rush hour travel is just one example. The one time of the day to encourage people out of their cars and into public transport and what do you get? Inflated travel charges in order to screw as much money out of the general public as possible.

Ever tried to go on holiday with kids, carrying as much gear as we do now: tents, bikes, surfboards ,etc.

Until we get a cheap, convienient, reliable alternative, integrated with all forms of public transport, is it any wonder people stay in their cars.

Bob W April 26, 2007

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Quote "Posted by Carol Hayward-peel Teachers salaries as you know are set by the government. We have never had a high income and that is unlikely to change. We struggle to survive on what we earn as do many other middle income families. We rarely use our cars other than for getting to work. If the travel tax is introduced it is likely that we would both have to stop working as we would not be able to afford the cost of getting to work. Two more teachers leaving the profession."

You should get a job as a politician, or even a pensioner! You "struggle to survive on what we earn as do many other middle income families."

What a lod of b****** I have never read such c*** in all my life, god help the working class or disabled. Go give up your job and for starters you will get no money from the government, and if and when you can get money then you will know what it is like to live on a low income!

Get a life and live in the real world.

Disgusted.

R Wallace April 19, 2007

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I live on a large estate 3 miles outside a major city , there is a bus stop at the end of my road a one miute walk so far so good eh !. Well actually no the buses run late every 20 mins until 9 then one an hour till 330 pm . If I were to catch a bus to work a 40.minute walk from my house it would require 3 changes and a 3.5 hr journey time If i drive and use a couple of congestion busting shortcuts it takes 10 mins and costs me 1.50 pounds including insurance tax and fuel and depreciation on my vehicle by bus nearly 5 pounds and free germs smelly buses crammed to the doors no seats dirty and noisy walk then ? fine on a summers day perhaps on a winters/rainy day would you put nearly an hour and a half on your day I think not buses cheaper on time more routes and cleaner then I would be happy to travel on one till then I will keep my car costing me £9 a week to commute Its all just a front god knows what its like if you live in the country

Mari Itoh April 19, 2007

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What is the government thinking? They are already taxing the motorists enough. Now they want to tax people who need to drive every day for their living? Fair enough, when they make a new bridge or motorways, they can charge a toll until they recover the cost. But even then they should reduce the charge every year until they can finally scrap the charges. They should think about taxing motorists, after they have make the public transportation more safe, convenient, frequent, and cheap to use. Only then, they can complain that we are not using the public transportation enough. When I was in Japan, I did not feel a need to have a car. Because the public transportation net work was very good. You do not need a car to go anywhere in Japan.
I am sorry to leave you a message so late. I was ill and was not been checking the e-mail.
Hope the government gets our message and change their mind.

Amodio Amato April 13, 2007

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The truth is that government doesnt matter, and is no longer required today. The problem stems from the many naive british peolpe who still think they have some relevance, and spend time busting a gut trying to make these fools work better for us. The truth is the government lives in Fear, fear of loosing power, money and loosing control. The mind games, the compromises the cameras, the excuses and arbituary talk of action, are all signs of total incompetence and manufactured by suited marketing ministers to keep us interested and tied to that thin thread they still call democracy.
All we get from these loons is Ban, more bans, tax more tax, and more minority rights, these are all signs of weakness and fear, they fear we think they are not doing anything.
Their biggest fear is we ignore them, stop voting, stop paying silly fines. THey are on the back foot thats why they are so aggressive and controlling, time to get rid of them all, tell them to go away, never wote again, never pay a fine, live your life in peace and as you see fit, show the loons we can live without them. Don't be a whimp all your life.

Edward Muiirhead April 10, 2007

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I do not agree with road pricing as I as a matter of principle consider tracking everyone's movements as an infringement on personal freedom, those that believe that any information gathered in this way would only be used for charging purposes are sticking thieer heads in the sand I can not see that in the fulnesss of time the police, security services, police or any other goverment department not making use of this information.
As to it being revenue neutral for that to happen it would have to generate the level of current revenue plus the cost of instalation, adminitration, maintainance, and charging, as with any other organisation the only way to raise money is from the consumer ie the motorist. At the end of the day to be "Revenue Neutral" would involve considerable extra cost to the Motorist.
I estimate that in my case could amount to anything up to £200 per week as I travel to work Off peak (NO Public transport available) but return at peak times (public transport available but I require my car for the following shift- so have to bring it home) This £200 represents 66% of my weekly net salary What am I supposed to live of and pay nessesary bills??

Myron April 9, 2007

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On the street where I live the bus company withdrew the regular service and now if you need to get to town and back you need to call ring-n-ride, which for my mum don't honour her consessionary fare entitlement.

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