24.08.06 Would you opt for biodiesel?

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Biodiesel is a type of fuel created from plants (e.g. rapeseed, soybean and sunflower) that can be used in modified diesel car engines instead of diesel. Benefits include:

It is cheap to produce.
It is cheaper to buy than diesel.
It can be grown anywhere in the world.
It is more environmentally friendly as it produces low or no CO2 emissions.
Biodiesel production could have a positive effect on our ailing agricultural industry.

Even sunflower oil off a supermarket shelf can be used as a biodiesel. Some diesel engines (do not try this without very thorough research!) are believed to be able to run on biodiesel without any modification.

So why do car manufacturers not produce cars which run on biodiesel? The fuel has been here for decades if not centuries! Yet we continue to rely on oil from underground which is environmentally damaging and costs an arm and a leg for UK motorists.

If biodiesel is so amazing, then why have governments not supported it more? Why have car manufacturers not made biodiesel compatible engines? Why is it not readily available on the forecourts?

Biodiesel has become a really hot topic. The consumer feels hugely let down by corporations with vested interests and ineffective government backing for these cleaner fuels.

Would you use biodiesel if it were available locally?
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Do you currently use biodiesel in your vehicle?
Are you making great savings on your fuel costs?
Do you refine your own biodiesel from waste vegetable oil?

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I have an 04 Nissan Navara, it has covered 110k miles and has been main dealer serviced every 6k miles. I also make a small amount of bio diesel. I have used BD at 30 to 50% for the last 10k miles. 3 months ago it wouldn't start and nobody could carry out diagnostics except Nissan so it was taken to a dealer. They said the pump was at fault. A new one is £2600 + vat. I sourced a used one, but 2 weeks later the engine began to rattle and knock.Back to the dealer. They said the pump and injectors were at fault. They said it was the BD doing this, but didn't know how or why.
I ran a 53 Peugeot 206, 03 Seat Alhambra, 01 Golf on 30 - 50% no probs.
I now run 56 Shogun Sport at 30%.

Posted by Steve Mykyta, 31st August 2008 8:13pm

I have a '96 Peugeot 106 been running it on 50/50 for a few months now with no problems until 2 weeks ago. Started running a bit rough/odd thought it must be the fuel filter and went back to derv as a precaution. Couldnt be arsed to change the filter, and after a few days on derv the roughess/odd running went away(?) Did some research, and found i have a lucas fuel pump. Some sites say they last a few hundred miles on veg then BOOM! (oops breathe sigh of relief) maybe i caught it in time?

Back to the drawing board.........

Posted by Big Lewis, 1st September 2008 8:53pm

Hi. I drive a 1996 Peugeot 306 Dturbo and i have done plenty of research on biodiesel. I used to run my car on it throughout most of 2007 until quite recently.

I ran my car on B100, or 100% biodiesel during the warmer months, and B50, or 50% biodiesel mixed with 50% regular diesel during the winter. This is because biodiesel can gel at low temperatures unless mixed with a specialist antifreeze, or regular diesel containing antifreeze.

Back then biodiesel wasn't really heard of at all and was very cheap compared to normal diesel. I used to pay 85p a litre at first. Problem is now everyone has heard of biodiesel the demand, suppliers of biodiesel struggle to keep up, and as a result the price has now increased so much it's not really worth trying to get some around Preston (Lancs). It's now 115p a litre for biodiesel round me, and regular diesel is 119p a litre. Not to mention the fact that cars running biodiesel (as a rule) have to have the fuel filters changed more often.

I did notice the engine seemed to run a little smoother on biodiesel due to the higher lubrication properties of biodiesel, compared to running on regular diesel alone.

Is it worth it? Yes and no, it all depends on what price you can source biodiesel for near you.

As for compatibility, a quick search on google usually brings up lots of info on which cars will run on biodiesel or not.

Posted by Richard Aindow, 5th September 2008 2:35pm

Commenter 299 -

I have looked into the problem with Lucas pumps and Veg Oil and Biodiesel. The lucas pump can run fine on properly made biodiesel( from veg oil that has been refined and titrated to make it "thinner" more like regular diesel).

The problems start when you try running a lucas pump on unrefined VEG OIL (the stuff you cook with). The lucas pump just can't cope with this type of oil at all, even if you mix it with regular diesel. If you want to run on pure veg oil then get your fuel pump changed for a BOSCH pump (found on the citroen saxo diesels), these can cope fine with the thicker properties of veg oil.

I'm a member of a site called pug306.net have a look on there for my articles on biodiesel. :)

Posted by Richard Aindow, 5th September 2008 2:41pm

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I have a 51 plate vauxhall zafira 2.0DTi I tried using biodeisel,buying it from a local dealer that sells it from the pump (not a garage forcourt). It seemed to work fine at 50/50 but after the third time of using,the car wouldnt run. It wouldnt rev and poured out huge amounts of white smoke. I had the tank drained,and fresh deisel put in,also changed the filters. Did i buy bad stock? isnt it compatible? I still dont know. I went to Morrisons yesterday and they are now selling it on the pumps but im too wary to try it again.Please let me know if you are running a zafira on biodeisel.

Posted by Dave Goodyear, 16th September 2008 5:20pm

Hi

we have an 04 toyota landcruiser and have been using bio-diesel in our vehicle (50/50) mixture as advised and as a result our car has just cost us £3600.00 to have repaired.

We have had to have the fuel pump reconditioned, 4 new fuel injectors, fuel rail, new filters again plus labour costs involved and recovery from our house as the vehicle would not get to the garage.

I have spoken to the supplier and he said that he would not contribute to the costs as he didn't feel that his product is at fault.

We brought our car from a main toyota dealer and have it serviced every year and never had a problem with it until we started using bio-diesel.

Has anybody else had such problems?

£3600.00 is alot of money in todays climate.

I was told by one the guys who works at the plant to get speak to the owner as they are insured against these type of problems, i asked the owner for his insurance details and he said to write in directly to him and he would forward onto the relevant people.

Posted by Mrs Rogers, 17th September 2008 1:12pm

I run a small Driving school in Bolton Lancashire. I have just started to run my Toyota Auris 2.0 D-4D on B30 Biodiesel and up to now I have had smoother, quieter performance from it with no noticable change in fuel economy.

The only negative is that it takes a little longer for the engine to fire up when it is colder in the mornings, but i am quite happy to continue using it as long as the starting issue does not get worse as we get into winter temperatures.

I checked with Toyota before using it and they sent me an e-mail of their company statment wihich states that they support the use of Bio fuels in the cars they produce and providing the fuel is manufactured to the current standards then the warranty will always be honoured.

Steve Swinton
Castle Hill School of Motoring
Bolton.

Posted by Steve Swinton, 25th September 2008 5:20pm

Hi there i use pure sunflower oil in my 306. I did several tests and am about to modify the heater circuit to stay on longer while the car runs to enable cold starting. My family used sunflower oil 25 years ago on the farm in south africa and still do today.
Car manufacturers and government as terified to loose their large kickbacks from large oil concerns!

Posted by Mark, 2nd October 2008 11:01am

bio-diesel is the fututre....you can make it at home!

Posted by Adam, 22nd October 2008 2:06pm

i don't drive, as i'm only 16 but i can't imagine uising biodiesel because its rubbish

Posted by Cameron Patrick, 4th November 2008 10:23am

Am in process of purchasing a Vauxhall Signum 3.0V6 Diesel. I hear it is an Isuzu engine, same one from Saabs. Its low mileage so should nt be too gunked up but was wondering if anyone knew of any reason not to put Biodiesel in it. We run our work vehicle off it as we have our own processor, so I understand about mixing with fossil to start off, but would love some reassurance.

Posted by Martin Craggs, 5th November 2008 6:26pm

I am using the B30 biodiesel from Morrisons. It's the same price as regular diesel, and has no effect on the car, other than a slight loss in performance.

I drive a 2001 Vauxhall Vectra 2.0 DTi, with no problems.

Biodiesel becomes an issue with the newer common-rail engines, as they're more picky about the fuel they are using.

And havign seen the inside of my engine and fuel lines after a few months of use, I can also say that alot of the gunk that diesel leaves in the lines is now gone.

I'm not going back for regular diesel, unless the cost of Bio starts rising.

Posted by Dan Howarth, 11th November 2008 10:39am

I have a 2004 Mondeo TDci and thought that I would try with a mix. Until this time the car ran perfectly. Within a few days of adding bio I encountered problems with the fuel pump. Had a nice repair bill and as I am not sur if it was due to bio I have reverted to straight diesel. Great pity because I can get hold of well made bio!!! Ah well, the dream of saving was nice while it lasted.

Posted by Graham Kirkup, 14th November 2008 9:30pm

I run a Renault Scenic 1.9DCI year 2005.I have been running it on B100 (100%) biodiesel for about 2 months (3000miles) and up to now its running superb.I make my own bio from my home made processor 100litres at a time.I use WVO .
I was told by a bio producer that this vehicle is suitable for bio and this info he told me came from Renault.He has the same vehicle as me and its 2 years old and has run on bio for all its life.He says Renault have confirmed that the warranty is still ok if running on bio.I would be interested to hear from any Renault bio users.

Posted by Paul Stanley, 14th November 2008 10:23pm

311 - speak to Renault, I'd be amazed if they will honour your warranty running on B100.

Don't think I anti bio cause I make and run on B100. My now wife's car has done about 6-7000 miles on the stuff and doesn't seem any different now than the day I started it on the stuff. That said the fuel economy and performance are less. My wife runs a '54 Picasso HDI, which is a common rail 1.6 / 16valve / 110 ps engine as found in the Ford Focus tdci.

I'd be interested to know if anyone is running a Ford Duratorq 2.4 tdci on B100 or similar. I have just heard about Land Rover dealership running one for the last 26k miles and the engine is wrecked (its the same engine as per the new Land Rover Defender). I aware of one running on B30 ish but at present its not done very many miles.

Posted by Wayne, 19th November 2008 12:34pm

Well done Morrisons for taking the initiative to launch UK-sourced B30 Bio diesel. Now a lot more people can have the chance to instantly cut their vehicle's dependency on foreign imported oil by 30%, at no extra cost.

Where can I get Morrisons biodiesel? Here is a list of all branches selling bio-diesel by the end of November 2008, kindly provided by their fuel director upon request:-
ABERDEEN,Grampian,AB24 5AR
AIRDRIE,Lanarkshire,ML6 9JL
ALLOA,Clackmananshire,FK10 1RY
ANNIESLAND,Glasgow,G13 1JD
AYR,Strathclyde,KA7 2HT
BARRY,Wales,CF63 4BA
BASINGSTOKE,Hampshire,RG21 1SD
BEVERLEY,East Yorkshire,HU17 8XE
BIDEFORD2,North Devon,EX39 2LG
BILSTON,West Midlands,WV14 0DZ
BINLEY,West Midlands,CV3 2XA
BOLTON ATLAS,Lancashire,BL1 4EU
BOROUGHBRIDGE,North Yorkshire,YO51 9HS
BOUNDARY RD,Cheshire,WA10 2PX
BRAMPTON,South Yorkshire,S73 0TB
BREDBURY,Manchester,SK6 2BR
BRIDGWATER2,Somerset,TA6 3LN
BRIDLINGTON,East Yorkshire,YO16 4SJ
BROMSGROVE,Worcestershire,B 60 3DX
BURTON,Staffordshire,DE14 2AR
CAMDEN,London,NW1 8AA
CANVEY ISLAND,Essex,SS8 OPT
CARDIFF TYGLAS,Cardiff,CF4 5EB
CARLISLE,Cumbria,CA3 0QZ
CARMARTHEN,Carmarthen,SA31 2NF
CHEADLE HEATH,Cheshire,SK3 0RJ
CHESTERFIELD,Derbyshire,S40 3BQ
CHINGFORD,Essex,E4 9AA
CLACTON,Essex,CO16 9SB
CORBY,Northamptonshire,NN18 9NR
COVENTRY,West Midlands,CV5 8BX
COWGATE,Co Durham,NE4 9SZ
CREWE,Cheshire,CW1 3AW
DERBY,Derbyshire,DE21 4RY
DONCASTER,South Yorkshire,DN5 8XG
DOXFORD PK,Tyne and Wear,SR3 2NE
DUMBARTON ,Strathclyde,G82 1QZ
DUMFRIES,Dumfries & Galloway,DG1 2SH
EASTWOOD (NOTTS),Nottinghamshire,NG16 3NT
ECCLES ,Lancashire,M30 0FH
ELLESMERE PORT,Ellesmere Port,L65 6RW
FISHPONDS,S.Gloucestershire,BS16 3US
GLASTONBURY,Somerset,BA6 9ED
GLENROTHES ,Fife,KY7 5PR
GRANTON,,EH5 1SA
GRAVESEND,Kent,DA11 8AB
GREENOCK, ,PA1 1HX
GYLE, ,EH12 9JU
HALFWAY,South Yorkshire,S20 8GN
HAVERFORDWEST,Pembrokeshire,SA61 2EX
HAWICK,Roxburghshire,TD9 9NQ
HEYWOOD,Lancashire,OL10 4PU
HILLSBOROUGH,South Yorkshire,S6 2GY
HUDDERSFIELD,West Yorkshire,HD5 8QW
HUNSLET,West Yorkshire,LS10 2AP
IPSWICH,Suffolk,IP1 5AS
JARROW,Newcastle-upon-Tyne,NE32 3LQ
KILLINGWORTH,Newcastle-upon-Tyne,NE12 0YT
KIRKSTALL,West Yorkshire,LS5 3RP
LEICESTER,Leicestershire,LE22 7LT
LEOMINSTER,Hereford & Worcester,HR6 8RN
MALVERN,Hereford & Worcester,WR14 1TZ
MIDDLESBRO,Teesside,TS3 7RP
MILTON KEYNES,Bedfordshire,MK4 4DD
MORLEY,West Yorkshire,LS27 9BG
MORPETH,Newcastle-upon-Tyne,NE61 1ST
MORTON PK,Co Durham,DL1 4PJ
NANTWICH,Cheshire,CW5 5SP
NELSON,Lancashire,BB9 7UZ
NEWCAS u LYME,Staffordshire,ST5 9AL
NEWCASTLE UNDER LYME,Staffordshire,ST5 3YH
NEWTOWN,Powys Wales,SY21 1DF
NORTHAMPTON,Northamptonshire,NN1 1HB
NORTHAMPTON2,Northants,NN3 6AA
OLDHAM,Lancashire,OL9 7LD
PECKHAM,London,SE15 1SF
PERTH,Perthshire,PH1 6XD
PINCHBECK,Lincolnshire,PE11 3UG
PLYMSTOCK,Devon,PL9 7BH
PORTOBELLO ROAD,Edinburgh,EH7 6QB
QUEENSBURY,London,NW9 6RN
READING,Berkshire,RG2 0HB
REDCAR PETRO,Cleveland,TS10 3ED
ROGERSTONE,Wales,NP10 9SA
ROTHERHAM,South Yorkshire,S66 0YZ
RUBERY,Birmingham,B 45 9NY
SHEFFIELD MEADOWHEAD,South Yorkshire,S 8 7OE
SHREWSBURY,Shropshire,SY1 4DL
SMALL HEATH,West Midlands,B10 0XA
ST ALBANS,Hertfordshire,AL1 4SU
STEVENSTON,Strathclyde,KA20 5UQ
STEWARTFIELD,East Kilbride,G 74 4TT
STOCKTON,Stockton-on-Tees,TS17 7BP
STOKE,Staffordshire,ST1 5NY
STRATFORD UPON AVON,Warwickshire,CV37 9DA
SWINTON,Greater Manchester,M 27 1AA
TAMWORTH,Staffordshire,B77 2NY
TAUNTON,Somerset,TA1 1DX
TEWKESBURY,Gloucestershire,GL20 8BN
THAMESMEAD,London,SE28 8RE
THORNBURY,West Yorkshire,BD3 7HZ
TOTTON,Hampshire,SO40 8AD
TYNEMOUTH,Tynemouth,NE29 9QR
UP HATHERLEY,Gloucestershire,GL51 5BW
VICTORIA,West Yorkshire,BD8 9BN
WALDERSLADE,Kent,ME5 7PQ
WALSALL,West Midlands,WS2 9BZ
WARMINSTER,Wiltshire,BA12 9NT
WARRINGTON,Cheshire,WA4 6RN
WEDNESBURY,,WS10 7HD
WINSFORD,Cheshire,CW7 3BS
WITHAM,Essex,CM8 1AA
YEOVIL 2,Somerset,BA20 2AU

Posted by Phil, 25th November 2008 9:18pm

Phil,

firstly thanks for posting the list of Morrison stores with B30. I wonder if you are in contact with their fuel director could you possibly find out if they have had / know of any problems from customers using this fuel when clearly most manufacturers only warranty their cars upto 5% (B5) ?

Personally I doubt it.

Posted by Wayne, 25th November 2008 9:56pm

Hi,

I'm running a 1999 V plate Ford Focus td estate on a 50/50 mix of Mineral & Biodiesel. I had to change my fuel filter after about 1 month (£15.00 and 10 minutes work), and experienced no problems until yesterday, when the fuel pump packed up. My local garage reckons this is a not uncommon problem with the Focus, and not necessarily to do with the biodiesel. Could anyone comment on this..?

Regards
Bob Mcleish

Posted by Bob Mcleish, 5th December 2008 3:04pm

how long / how many miles have you done on the mix since the fuel filter replacement?
Bearing in mind my Citreon Picasso have the same engine and I suspect the same pump, mine has done 7000 miles on 100% bio with no problems so I'd doubt the fuel has anything to do with it unless its a very poor quality fuel? Where have you been sourcing the fuel and how confident of its quality are you?

Posted by Wayne Powers, 9th December 2008 1:26pm

Response to 325 - probably has the vp-44 pump which is prone to failing on diesel let alone bio. Saying that, we have a Focus TDDI on B50 (burnt throughalmost 600 litres of bio) with no problems except low power on higher blends.

Posted by James Jenkins, 12th December 2008 5:06pm

Hello all,
i'm thinking of buying either a 95-98'ish Ford Maverick,2.7D, or a 94-98'ish Jeep Cherokee 2.5 td, and want to use bio in it. But not sure and want some advice. Also if i use this can i top up with normal deisel in an emergency, not that i would want to as i'm pretty prepared in journey planning etc so would work out where i could get bio from when i travel.
Any help would be fantastic
Cheers guys,hope to hear from anyone soon

Posted by Lawrie Flood, 11th January 2009 11:33pm

I am in the process of building a processor to make biodiesel other than the initial cost of £500 to £800 to build it you can produce biodiesel for about 15p to 20p per litre, if you get friendly with your local chip shop owner to supply you with the used raw veg oil (there you go you are already recycling waste material - careful they dont use hydrogenised veg oil), it may take a week to produce 125 ltrs properly and it doesnt take up to much time but with the addition of a couple of chemicles (harmful ones) and some testing you end up with biodiesel and another waste material that can be used to make soap.
So far i have found VW Audi Seat and Skoda between 1996 and 2004 should be OK with 100% biodiesel ( must always check your model with manufaturer) but my Vauxhall Corsa CDTi 1.3 can only take a maximum of 5% biodiesel but my wifes Fabia will be Okay with 100%. Two main problems i forsee is firstly Temperature as biodiesel approaches -15 deg C it gets thicker then is solid below this but in cold weather just use more normal diesel in the mix. The second problem is that biodiesel is corrosive and can attack the older cars rubber hoses, newer cars use a safer composite material, it can also clean your fuel tank injectors etc meaning you have to replace your fuel filters more often especially when you first start using the biodiesel, it also means you risk breaking down more often due to fuel starvation because of clogged fuel filters because of dirt or congealed fuel due to the cold weather. There are pros and cons but i feel its going to be worth it for the savings alone let alone the peace of mind ill be doing my bit for the environment (recycling waste veg oil, using a fuel which produces a lot less CO2, and using a fuel from a mainly renewable source - plant oil) So why is Morrisons now selling B30 (30% Biodiesel) for the same price as normal Diesel? As their customers will end up paying more ie the cost of extra filters

Posted by Steve Morris, 12th February 2009 11:59pm

as i'am new to this bio diesel, can anyone answer the following please, i have a standard vw 1.9 TD type 4 on a 1997 year, do i need any mods to run on bio diesel from a service station and if so what mods are needed, many thanks

Posted by Daniel Carrington, 16th February 2009 7:31pm

Steve / Daniel,

hopefully some of this will be of interest to you. I bought rather a processor rather than trying to make but the results potentially should be the same. However in addition to the processor I've spent quite a bit on fitering of the waste oil and dry washing and final filtering / polishing of the bio diesel. My now wifes car has done over 7000 miles on pure diesel for the most part and circa 50/50 at the start of the winter. The fuel filter never needed changing although at about 5000 miles I did as a matter of course and wish I hadn't bothered as it was expensive and didn't need it.
Things to consider with the winter months is the temperature and I doubt without alot of practise in perfecting the fuel will you get anywhere near -15C without problems or additives.
I reckon the VW 1.9 you mention will be one of the best cars for running on bio, but like any its the quality of the fuel that will cause the problems more than anything else. My wifes car was a common rail diesel (same as the 1.6 tdci as found in the ford focus), I've also used circa 30% bio in the new land rover defender (common rail engine - manufacturer warns about not using more than 5% - go on pull the other one - are they really producing cars that are going to struggle to operate in europe when 30% bio is common in places like the czech repub? and often >5% in other parts?).

Posted by Wayne P, 17th February 2009 2:12pm

Be careful of rip-off garages, its so easy to get a blocked fuel filter (an inexpensive fix) the garage can then just rip you off for all sorts of unecessary repairs (which they may not even carry out). Its just their word against yours! And remember they are the EXPERTS (I dont think).
Particularly the £3,600 repair bill (303). Sounds suspicious, I would have asked for the damaged parts back and a full written report from the engineer.

Posted by C Freeman, 23rd February 2009 2:40pm

I have a 2007 Ford Fiesta 1.6 TDCI, I want to start using biodiesel.
is it recommended to use home made bio?

Posted by Suraj, 2nd March 2009 2:03pm

I guess this is obvious. It doesn't really matter where the bio is made, home brew or otherwise - its all down to quality.
I produce homebrew for myself and wife and although I stand to be corrected I would suggest its of a very high quality (wasn't to start with).
If the quality is right I would suggest your fiesta like my wifes 1.6hdi Picassao(common rail - very similar to your 1.6tdci) will run fine 50/50 and even upto 100% during the warmer months. After several months of not making any my wifes will be going back onto 100% very soon (already done about 7k miles on 100%).

Posted by Wayne , 10th March 2009 9:28am

I'm ready to start making bio but am little scared on the how much lye to use on WVO and SVO. what would be the best way to produce high quality bio?

Posted by Suraj, 17th March 2009 11:50am

I have a Ford Fiesta 1.6 tdci 2007 and put it onto b100 home made bio right from the first tank. Now on 62000km and still happy. However, the diesel filter is most expensive and not so simple to replace. I only put the best bio I produce in this car.

I have a 1997 Toyota Landcruiser vx 1hdft bought 2nd hand with 230000miles on the clock and it has been running on b100 since then. Now on 330000miles and still very happy. Even the bio I produced over the years with the not so good results went into this tank. Diesel filter is not expensive and easy to replace.

Posted by Hannes Le Grange, 26th March 2009 7:00am

We are a Commercial Removals Company based in Bristol. 'McKeown Business Moves Ltd. We started to refine waste cooking oil into bio diesel 2 years ago and now run our entire fleet on it and now sell it to the public.
If the Bio Diesel is refined correctly it will have no adverse effects on the motor or pumps. The only downside is that you have to change the fuel filter more often, particularly in the winter and it is better to mix bio diesel with fossil diesel in the winter as bio diesel waxes up at higher temperatures.
From reading enteries here I see that some people have had problems when using Bio diesel in their vehicles.
There has been a surge in people making bio diesel and selling it. In my experience the problems people have suffered is a result of the bio diesel being made incorrectly.
Bio Diesel is not fat, it is not pure vegetable oil. To make BIO DIESEL Vegetable oil is put through a chemical reaction process which takes out the harmful elements which may cause pumps to fail and filters to block etc.
When it isnt done correctly you will get problems.
We have no problems with any of the 14 vehicles in our fleet, ranging from LGV's to small cars, because we make in correctly!

Posted by Andrew Mckeown, 6th May 2009 2:06pm

Andrew.
I couldn't agree more !
Not only is there alot of misconception still over what bio diesel really is but I believe there's alot of poor quality fuel out there. I make a small amount for myself and believe what I now produce is of a very good quality (it's wasn't to start with) and although I've not done huge mileage on it my wifes car has now covered in excess of 10,000 miles on pure bio with no percievable difference and she's got a 1.6 common rail engine as found in the Ford Focus 1.6 tdci. The fuel filter was changed once after 4-5k miles on bio because I thought I shoud rather than needed to and to behonest I think it was wasted money.

Posted by Wayne Powers, 14th May 2009 8:57am

hi there im looking at buying a vauxhall signum 3.0 v6 diesel, i have read up about the car and it says it has a common rail engine and fuel system, would i be able to run it on bio diesel?? or is there anywhere i could find out if i can run it on bio?? many thanks Lee

Posted by Lee, 16th May 2009 10:36pm

Lee,

the fact its common rail doesn't really have any bearing on the issue so long as its good quality fuel and the temperature isn't too low for it to thicken (you'll then require additives). I've run a common rail on b100 and others I know plus 327 above (Andrew) - the fiesta 1.6tdci is a common rail.
that said I've heard Vauxhalls do shows problems with bio-diesel. I don't know what problems or why or if there's even any truth in what I heard? - sorry can't help really. There's loads on the internet however so I'm sure you'll find something......

Posted by Wayne, 27th May 2009 7:46am

Hi All

Just thought I would add my experience. So here we go... I decided to try Bio fuel last November ('08). I bought an old car (Citroen Xsara '98), a 2nd hand 120 litre machine (£800 - GR120 Golden Ray) and got started. I've learnt the following:

Most machines for less than 3k new are amateur in construction and produce 2nd rate diesel - ok for an old banger.

Many machines out there rely on a water wash process once the oil has been converted (using methoxide). This doesn't remove all traces of Glycerol, Soaps etc. To achieve better diesel (suitable for modern cars) modifications are needed. This is likely to add another £900 - £1000 to costs.

Chemicals need to be bought in bulk to be cost efficient. 205 litres at a time Methanol, 25KG per go Potassium Hydroxide and 25KG of Resin dry wash = nearly £500.

You also need to calculate the never advertised costs of processing your oil such as, electricity. A typical machine uses an immersion tank type element, which remains on for 5 1/2hours plus a pump that runs for 4 hours. Plus 200 litres of water (if metered) and a chunk of time approximately 4 hours intervention for 120 litres. Not sure after all this whether it's worth it, although it is an absolute pleasure to drive duty free!

Anyone know anything about ethanol producers or production?

Posted by Nathan Robertson, 27th May 2009 10:46am

Nathan,

interesting. you're right about the electricity although I'm a little surprised it takes 5.5 hrs for just 120ltrs. I have a 6 kw heater and it takes less than 3 hrs to heat 400 ltr? that equates to about £2.70 (0.675p / ltr - not alot).

Not sure where you are located but have a look on the net for Tennants distribution. they seem there or there about for cost on meth and pot.

£500 for the dry wash !! how many litres is that good for?
have you considered Eco2pure (filtertechnik)
I reckon is works out at £50 for 15kg which is good for circa 2500 - 3500 ltrs
after a few media changes it might work out cheaper? - good results too.

Posted by Wayne, 28th May 2009 7:56am

i have used 100% "recycled" biodiesel (produced in Rochdale, Lancashire BIOFLO) in my VW Caravelle 2002 2.5tdi with no problems at all (down a touch on power & mpg only issue.) Best bit was 100% reduction on emissions (verified with MOT emissions test)
Have also used 100% Rapeseed based pure Biodiesel (produced in UK) this stuff was awsome as good as BP & Shell performance diesel. But lost touch with supplier when They went into liquidation.
Now using Morrison B30 Biodiesel - this seems to be happy medium. Quality assured and points too. Would expect 20% reduction in emissions - will verify at next MOT.

Posted by Bob Bevan, 15th June 2009 12:51pm

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I am just off the telephone to Peugeot UK Coustomer Support.
I enquired about the use of biodeisel in my 2005 Reg 407 HDI.
I was informed that the use of BioDeisel up to B30 would be fine to use.
At the moment only B10 is available in the UK.
Weather i decide to use the fuel is another matter.
Hope this helps.

Posted by Thomas Spencer, 21st July 2009 5:34pm

Thomas,

just thought you might like to know that alot of the Morrisons stores sell B30, and if the bio is of a decent quality you'll find it runs just fine on B100 - except perhaps if/when it gets really cold during the winter.

Posted by Wayne, 24th July 2009 1:55pm

I have 2 landrover discovery's 300tdi's both running on my homemade bio
one of them has done in excess of 40,000 miles, no problems so far , changed filters fairly soon after going on to the bio at the start, in winter i blend the bio with roughly 10 -15% mineral diesel to ease any starting problems. Engine power would be a faction down but very very little, slighly less miles per gallon, exhaust smoke greatly reduced and well price what do i say 15p a litre you have to be insane not to use it

Posted by William Kennedy, 26th July 2009 7:28pm

Will(iam) ?

I'm a little intrigued how you make your bio so cheap (or have you rounded every thing down)?
also if you don't mind me asking how do you make it (home made equipment, filtering etc) and where do you get your oil from and where abouts are you based? - I reckon the best I'm doing is about 25p / ltr.

Posted by Wayne Powers, 27th July 2009 8:51am

I would like to run my 2002 2.0 zifira on 50 50 cooking oil and diesel could come one advise me on how to do it properly and what do i need to do to convert it or can i put it strait in my car

Posted by Niall Walker, 22nd August 2009 10:42pm

I have a 2007 cherokee 2.8crd will this vehicle run on straight oil mixed with regular derv? or will i have to find a regular bio derv producer?

Posted by Steve Wallace, 1st September 2009 12:55pm

Good evening. The best way out is always through.
I am from Taiwan and learning to read in English, give please true I wrote the following sentence: "Reynard finished cart in 1994 and immediately second relatively named lola from the weekend, bom mastercard mosaik."

With best wishes :(, Stuart.

Posted by Stuart, 5th September 2009 2:07pm

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Hi.
I have just bought a Mercededs 270 cdi onn a04 plate could any one tell me if it could be run on biofuel.
Cheers.
Gazza.

Posted by G Shephard, 17th September 2009 2:32pm

Ii have run home made bio diesel made fome used veg oil in a p reg laguna and a peugoet 406 t reg for a year no problem at all apart from a fuel filter change after a month and plan to run it 100 % bio this winter as i add a winer additive tha stays liquid at - 22 in my freezer

Posted by David Howell, 18th September 2009 9:13pm

i use 50 - 100% biodiesel in T reg Audi A4 Tdi and it currently costs me 95p / litre. I am doing it to help planet not to save money.

Posted by David Kells, 20th September 2009 6:46am

hi
can i run my brand new berlingo 1.6 hdi on 100% veg oil or do you think 50/50 would be best
thank you

Posted by Peter Walsh, 25th September 2009 10:27am

hi peter it will run on 50/50 on an hdi engine but all brand new cars it will affect your warranty you need to find out if your make of car will let you run a percentage of bio with out affecting your warranty .if your car breaks down and you are running bio diesel and even if it has nothing to do with running bio diesel they might still use this as a excuse not to fix your car under warranty .I personally wouldnt use bio in a brand new car for this reason but you can ask the dealer if the manafacturer agrees with a percentage. saying that i am running 100 percent bio diesel in a 04 plate hdi engine and running great but make sure you add a winter additive coldflow 350 at a rate of at least 200ml to 50ltrs of bio diesel if running neat if mixing with pump diesel no need to add this

Posted by David Howell, 25th September 2009 10:47am

hi peter if you meant veg oil instead of bio diesel 100% no dont do it will ruin you engine and you will have wasted all that money

Posted by David Howell, 25th September 2009 10:52am

hi david
Are you running 100 percent bio diesel or 100% veg oil
Thank you pete

Posted by Peter Walsh, 25th September 2009 12:05pm

hi peter i brought a processer a year ago for £900 to process used veg oil to biodiesel with the methonal and pottasiom hydroxide it costs me about 40p per ltr and yes i do use it neat a saving of 70p per ltr from the pump diesel and have winterised it to about -20 .bio diesel is a lot thinner than new veg oil and diesel cars run great on it but not sure on brand new cars as they have loads of sensers on them but been told even new cars shouldn,t have a problem at 50/50. veg oil i think will cause you alsorts of problems as it is thicker and may block your injecters be more sluggish so unless you get your car converted by a specialist i wouldnt do it. also you are allowed to make 2500 ltrs a year of bio diesel before you pay tax i make about 150ltrs a month so well in the limit hope that helps ,Dave

Posted by David Howell, 25th September 2009 4:39pm

Well i have read it all and i have been running my berlingo 1.6 hdi for 25.000 mile from new on 75% tesco diesel and 25% tesco veg oil all ok i think
been in for a service

Posted by Peter, 28th September 2009 1:06pm

343
i use 50 - 100% biodiesel in T reg Audi A4 Tdi and it currently costs me 95p / litre. I am doing it to help planet not to save money.

Do you think you are saving the planet if you do you are mad we are just a tiny country of less than 60 million .

Take a look at north and south america,china,india,pakistan and the rest of the world first.Us in the uk and europe live in a dream world we can not change a thing without the rest of the world helping us.

Posted by Peter, 11th October 2009 11:33am

with the diesel vauxhalls 2.0 and 2.2dti they do not like it will not run on it at all

when filling up with tesco diesel mine does not like it and tescos has a biodiesel content

Posted by Steve Sanderson, 30th October 2009 10:18pm

I WOULD THINK THOUSAND OF VAUXHALL DIESEL CARS AND VANS FILL UP AT TESCO EVERY DAY FINE
ITS NOT THE DIESEL IT MUST BE YOUR ENGINE OR PUMP
AND TESCO DONT US BIODIESEL

Posted by Peter, 3rd November 2009 11:40am

TESCO DONT USE BIODIESEL

Posted by Peter, 3rd November 2009 12:47pm

I have been making Bio Diesel from home for the last 18 months, formed a little collective of like minded soles who all benefit from end product. They each process their own oil so are entitled to their 2500 ltrs p.a., tax free fuel allowance. We run 300 TD Mercs, Disco's, Jeeps, and Transit vans, all on 100% in the summer and 75/80% in the winter. The fuel is processed to a european standard. If your engine runs on fossil fuels it will run on bio diesel, they have to be taught, and you do need to change your fuel filter after 4 / 6 weeks. This is a pure fuel which is why you have to change your filter, as so much muck comes out of your fuel sysytem once you start using it. To many people have car faults, and blame the fuel for something that was about to go anyway. The savings to your family budget, and the planet are fantastic, so research your car, or change it to a model with a proven history, and look into forming a collective, and start paying about 25p per litre, whilst cutting your emissions to almost zero. Interested in more info? send me a line.

Posted by Brian Butler, 24th November 2009 4:41pm

...Anyone making their own biodiesel need any used veg oil ? I have just over 800 litres of good quality used oil reada to process for sale. Included are 2X 600 litre Intermediate Bulk Containers (IBC's) all for £250.
Phone 07542 760657. NE England. Buyer to collect.

Posted by Jasper Rhodes, 4th January 2010 3:16pm

I have was using Morrisons 30% bio every other tank for my Pergeot 307 HDI initially no problems and the car seemed to run better on it. Quieter, more perky performance and better MPG. However, the car seemed a bit sluggish end of Nov Dec. In late december I filled my tank with 30% biodiesel and 20 miles down the road it cut out anti polution warning light came on and the car would start but would cut out again and again. I put the car in for a diagnostic in a local Pergeot Garage who told me the damage was done by fuel contamination. After 10 days unvestigation I have a bill for £3.500 to repair the damage done. Morrisons say it's not their fuel. Beware!!

Posted by Robert Clive Thomas, 15th January 2010 8:41pm

an anyone tel;l me if they know of 2.5 turbo diesel Ford Transits year 1997 will run on biodiesel
Thanks

Posted by David Jones, 23rd January 2010 9:41pm

Robert,

Sorry to hear the bad (and expensive news) however I do wonder whether someone might have taken advantage of your situation ie used the fuel as an excuse. my wifes citreon 1.6 hdi (16v 110ps) has now covered 18k miles on pure home made bio. bear in mind also that the psa engines (which I believe includes the peugeot 307) carry a warranty to run 30% bio ?

Posted by Wayne , 25th January 2010 9:11pm

The DLD-416 motor also known as the DV6 is the same motor used in Ford Fiesta, Focus, Citroen, Pegeot and Volvo. Ford names it a tdci and the French hdi. All one and the same. My Fiesta 1.6tdci has just passed the 100K km service running on pure home B100 from day one. The only problems were from the drive-by-wire throttle electrical system, and that seems to be a general problem and not related to any fuel used.

Posted by Hannes, 26th January 2010 6:46pm

Hannes

you've just confirmed what I thought about my wifes picasso 1.6 hdi being the same as my mates focus 1.6 tdci.
it would also appear that me being chuffed that my wifes car now having done 18k miles on home made B100 is no big deal - certainly when compared to your 100k km on B100 - well done, you are a super star!

Posted by Wayne, 27th January 2010 8:59am

hi
I also thought it was great for Morrisons to take the initiative and have been filling up with Bio since they sold it, but to my dismay last week the bio diesel pumps at both the Coventry Sites were tagged out of order.
yesterday I found out why. i was told hat Morrisons have decided to discontinue the Bio Diesel the reason is that the government have cancelled the tax incentive and it would now rise to the same price as normal fossil diesel, there fore the decision has been made to discontinue the product.

every turn that enables the consumer to act for the safety of the planet once agian comes down to money tax back for Morrisons and the Government.

another true picture of the money grabbing politicians we allow to run our country. I would rather waste a vote in the election than vote any of the so called politicians and their parties in to power, they say what the electorate wants to hear to get in then do a 180 degree to line and feather their own nests financially whilst stitching up the electorate with high taxes and costs of living, high fuel prices.

Posted by Karen Windsor, 3rd February 2010 8:31am

Hi there
i have been reading alot of conflicting reports on here regarding "bio-diesel", i am intending to make "proper" bio-diesel via processing WVO or SVO into FAME / RME (bio diesel) that meets the EN14214:2009 standard. However, what is still not clear to me is the compatibility with the elastomer seals on some fuel pumps and injector systems. I have a 06 Mondeo 2.0 TDCi with DELPHI injectors and pump. Even DELPHI's engineering / techincal department cannot decide / confirm whether the pump / injector seals are compatible with the bio diesel EN 14214 standard. i intend to run B100 after purging the fuel system of any mineral crud. I see people on here running TDCi's on a good grade of fuel without any problems, but others are not so fortunate. Can anyone shed any light on this, before i start to fill up??

Posted by Richard, 5th February 2010 5:23pm

Richard

If it is the puma engine then I'm not sure bit if its the one produced by psa group as per the ford 1.6 tdci then psa warranty it for 30% and I'm sure 100% is fine?

Posted by Wayne P, 6th February 2010 8:31pm

I have a 08 plate Leon FR as a company car. Our site fuel is only 5% bio which I was using for 2 years. For the last year the car would completely cut out when driving (around roundabouts, motorways etc) with my child in the car. It was in the garage over 20 times and in the end I refused to drive it. Someone with a brain then diagnosed Piston failures due to the bio. These were changed 6 months ago and I now run on clean diesel. Now the expensive part, the car last week needed a new turbo and DPF system as the bio killed it. The car stunk of exhaust fumes.

Posted by Nicky, 12th February 2010 11:48am

Nicky,

I'm saying this can't be due to the bio diesel but I'd be interested to know where you're getting ' clean' diesel from as I think you'll find all diesel sold at forecourts as part of a goverment legislation includes at 5% bio anyway (might be 2.5% can't remember), therefore I suspect it was the quality of the fuel and not the bio otherwise sure all Leon FR 's would be in the same position? - oh and golfs because they've got the same engine I believe?

Posted by Wayne, 18th February 2010 7:46am

typical labour govt bio fuel costs 20p to maufacture costs of chemical additives electricity ect they add 36p per litre duty (if your stupid enough to tell them you are using bio fuel) they didnt tell us about the expenses for moats and 2nd mortgages did they FUNNY that an mp lying surely not!!!!! yet if you were to say not pay tax or sign on while working it straight to jail or big fine!!! they where goingbto put up the tax to make it the same as normal diesel jus like they keep hiking up lpg tax but hey theres an election soon ps i jua spoke to a woman at apple fuels glasgow cars older than 15yrs wont work the worst that happens is dirt from the tank wil clog up the fuel filter !!! simply buy new one or clean it!! £14 if you make your own £62 if you buy it OR £120 FOR GORDON BROWNS RIP OFF DIESEL!! AFTER ALL THE BANK BAIL OUTS AND WARS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN ARENT CHEAP

Posted by Paul Ewing, 4th March 2010 1:32pm

hello i have a nissan terrano 54 Reg 2.7 TDI can this vehicle run on biodiesel,has anybody had any problems whilst running on this fuel.

thanks Rob

Posted by Robert Watson, 27th March 2010 2:26pm

hello i have a nissan terrano 54 Reg 2.7 TDI can this vehicle run on biodiesel,has anybody had any problems whilst running on this fuel.

thanks Rob

Posted by Robert Watson, 27th March 2010 2:28pm
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