Five things you didn’t know about speed cameras

By Josh Elliott
News entry dated 30th Aug 2017

Speed cameras have become a fixture on our roads, from major motorways to minor country routes. Many of us will have been caught by one somewhere, whether by a camera that we didn’t realise existed or thanks to a surprise mobile camera in a van.

(Credit – Amanda Slater)

Five surprising speeding facts

Here at PetrolPrices, we’re well aware that there are plenty of myths about speed cameras and speeding fines. As such, to shed some light on the issue, here are five things you might not know about speed cameras and the fines that they generate.

1. Speeding fines now start at £100

Most people know that speeding fines have increased. They now cost £100 as a standard, rather than £60. However, many people are unaware that there is a new way to calculate speeding fines. They can now be based on up to 175% of your weekly income – meaning that fines can actually be significantly higher than £100.

This means that someone earning £30,000 a year (or £577 a week) could face a maximum fine of up to £866 for a speeding offence. The new guidelines advise that these higher rate fines should be used for more serious offenders, rather than (for example) someone doing 32 in a 30mph zone. More serious offences are known as Band C offences. They apply to anyone doing ‘well in excess’ of the limit on a particular road.

2. HADECS cameras work all the time

HADECS cameras are the ones put up by Highways England. They are the most cutting edge technology of the speed camera world. HADECS cameras are seen on motorways such as the M1, M6, M25 and M62 and they are in operation all of the time. There are different styles of these cameras, many of which are smaller than traditional cameras. Some use a radar system that takes just 0.2 milliseconds to register your speed – and your number plate.

3. Radar detection vans only work on one lane

Mobile speed cameras – or radar detection vans – are usually operated by the local police force. They tend to be used in accident blackspots. For police to use mobile cameras, there needs to be a sign up to alert motorists that they are present. Mobile speed cameras only work on one lane. However, this doesn’t have to be the lane they are closest to.

Mobile speed cameras also only work on a straight section of road. They have a range up to two miles but can’t see around bends or over hills.

4. You can sue the police for writing to you about speeding

If you have one of those people in your area who decides to invest in a speed camera, and starts snapping photos or footage with it, don’t immediately panic if they record you. If you receive a letter from the police based on evidence from that camera, you can actually sue the police for using an untrained camera operator. Not everyone can be a speed camera operator – only those from designated authorities like the police or Highways England can legally fulfil the role.

5. Traffic light cameras are multi-functional

Traffic light cameras do more than just watch for red light offences. As original traffic light camera models were replaced, new multi-functional models were installed. The new models mean that you can get a speeding ticket from a traffic light camera even if you didn’t skip the light.

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Were you aware of the recent changes in speed camera technology and how they could affect you? Are speed camera detection systems now essential for driving on the UK’s roads? Share your views by leaving a comment below.

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Dave
Dave

If they are installed for safety then I have no complaints, but how about they use any and all the money raised from fines to fix and maintain the roads! The roads in the uk are terrible and just as dangerous as a speeding driver!!!

Rose
Rose

Well said Dave are roads are the worse in the counrty

Nixoff Swiftly
Nixoff Swiftly

I agree babeeeeeeeeeeee

Paul
Paul

Police and Highways England have no control how money collected in fines is used, but maybe you could have you MP have No 11 reconsider how this money is used

Jezza
Jezza

Paul, can I ask you please if average speed can be monitored across more than one motorway? (I.e. from a camera on the M25 to a camera on the M20) I can’t find this information anywhere else.

Norman
Norman

The day the government opens up accounts for each of the major activities ie, Road, NHS, Defence we shall never see improvement you ask for

Sue Kincaid
Sue Kincaid

Hear, hear!

Peter
Peter

The “Road Fund Tax” or tax disc as was, is for that purpose. That is why it was started and why it IS called “Road Fund” even though the Chancelor of the Exchequer will now deny that. He and other recent Chancelors are all Cheats (Liars) when they deny it’s purpose, they want the money for anything else, and do not spend it on it’s primary purpose i.e. Roads including New Roads. The same applies to the speeding fine money, it just goes into the Pot.

A35
A35

Any statistics to back up road state v speeding accidents or is this just a gut feeling?

MARCUS GARVEY
MARCUS GARVEY
It’s no longer about speed, it’s for the local filthy institutions method to rip off drivers and for the government to say that the institutions such as the council and that the police have to raise more money to cover what they have taken back to line their bloody Swiss bank accounts. We pay road tax, and the government fail to give us proper roads, now they spy on us to get more money. In Dorset, there are so many speed cameras, it is unreal, and Dorset county council cannot afford to maintain all of them, what a waste of… Read more »
John Williamson
John Williamson

The best cameras, are the average speed cameras. These do tend to stop the idiots who think they are so smart, slowing down for a normal camera then speeding up after leaving the marked area. I have seen these installed at the beginning of a small village and again at the end, a matter of four hundred yards. This really slowed down to the legal speed limit traffic travelling through on the main A road.

Dave
Dave

A lot of speed limits are too low. No wonder that people break them. Cameras are just money making machines. Speeding is over-rated as a main cause of accidents although it is usually involved. More common causes are driver inattention or error, misjudgment, impatiece, using a mobile ‘phone etc.

Edward Erith
Edward Erith
Well said Dave. The speed limit from 1903 to 1920 was 20mph and then raised in 1935 to 30mph (in built up areas) a fairly arbitrary figure and extremely unpopular at the time. How can a ruling made over 80 years ago have any bearing on todays vehicle and road technology and speed limits? – in any possible way! The motor cars back then were extremely unreliable, they had primitive breaking systems, tyres, suspension and steering. The roads were poorer and there were more obstacles likely to cause accidents on the road. Road engineering, better cars, better brakes, better steering,… Read more »
Mick
Mick
Just one important point you missed Edward, the manner of pedestrians crossing our so called safer roads. Years ago kids were taught to use the green X code, what do they use these days? Don’t deny it I’ll bet it’s happened to you at least once. We’ve got the iPhone code, lug plugs in volume at max and updating statuses on the go what they’ve had for breakfast, posting the latest the picture from aunt fanny’s 98th birthday party and the 16 generations that attended. Off the footpath straight in front of a car. Oh he’ll stop, well hopefully he… Read more »
Cat
Cat

I did try to give this several thumbs up but, it wouldn’t let me!
Nobody (seemingly under the age of 30) looks at anything other than their phone these days! I rarely see anyone even give a cursory glance before they step off the curb anymore; they are the ones that need fining!

Bernie
Bernie

Also those drivers returning to their parked cars, often illegally, step out and open the driver’s door into the traffic flow, instead of waiting until the road is clear.

Geoff
Geoff

That’s true. Many more people stop into the road assuming that the motorist will allow for them nowadays. Virtually unknown a few years ago.

Ian
Ian
What a load of self-righteous nonsense. What HASN’T changed is people’s reaction times. A car travelling a 30 is covering 50 feet per second. If your reaction time (the time to observe a problem, decide what to do about it, get your foot on the brake and actually start slowing down) is excellent, it’ll be 0,5 seconds. So you’ve travelled 25 feet (8 metres) before anything changes. At 40, it’s 33 feet (10 metres), and another 30 or 40 feet to get down to a ‘safe’ collision speed of 10 mph.. So if you’re doing 40 in a 30 cos… Read more »
Edward Erith
Edward Erith
Thanks for the self righteous reply Ian. You miss the point. I don’t advocate speeding stupidly, I question the entire validity of the system. In 1935, it was pretty much a loosely made up number, but based . So, If you don’t think our technology and safety has improved then get back into your cave, there is no possible comparison to the technology used back then to that used now. Bad driving is what causes accidents, drink driving, drug driving, mobile phone driving these things kill. And of course it means slowing down in areas where you need to slow… Read more »
Edward Erith
Edward Erith

It missed a bit I had in parenthesis.
In 1935, it was pretty much a loosely made up number, but based
” on the technology of the time “

Eman
Eman

All fair comments, however what has not changed is the human body, and higher speed limits in an area with a lot of pedestrians would result in more serious injuries and a lwer survival rate. The difference between 30mph and 40mph over a ten mile trip is only 5 minutes, and less if you ever drop below 40, for traffic lights, roundabouts, bends, junctions, level crossings, cyclists, buses, pedestrian crossings, road works, giving way to Emergency vehicles, or slowing down just to admire a pretty girl on the pavement.

lento
lento

I think you are dead on. Common sense is the thing!

Keith
Keith
Firstly well said, thinking time/reaction time hasn’t changed. Secondly you sadly miss part of the equation, so far as I am aware (please correct me if I am wrong), stopping distance is built up of two elements, thinking/reaction time/distance (which hasn’t changed over the years), and braking time/distance (which has reduced hugely). Hence if it hasn’t changed over the years, the good ole Highway Code should be updated to reflect this. Thirdly, the profusion of speed cameras, red light cameras, bus lane cameras, etc make it so difficult to watch what you should be watching, i.e. other traffic and pedestrians,… Read more »
David Adams
David Adams

“… the profusion of speed cameras, red light cameras, bus lane cameras, etc make it so difficult to watch what you should be watching, i.e. other traffic and pedestrians, cyclists etc when you are constantly looking at your speedometer to make sure you are not even slightly over the limit.”
Agreed. When every driver’s watching his or her speedometer s/he’s not watching the road. It’s better (and more accurate) when I’m using my satnav, which at least on top of my dashboard, and therefore visible when I’m watching the road ahead.

Dennis West
Dennis West

I have 2 items installed to keep me alive while driving, a head-up display (£30 Amazon) and self discipline. Mind you I am 76 and not a member of the youth ‘I will do as I dam well like and sod everybody else’ generation. Also around Worksop, North Nottinghamshire, to stop speeding the roads are so badly repaired and pot holed they would ruin the suspension of a Challenger 2 main battle tank. Go any faster than 30 MPH for long and your car will be a wreck in no time.

Fred
Fred

Why do you have a satnav in view? I thought the idea of one was to “talk” you through directions! Watching a satnav is just teh same as looking at a mobile phone. Put satnavs out of sight.

Dennis West
Dennis West

I don’t have a sat nav. I did not have one in 1968 when I passed my test and still managed to find where I was going. When they make one that has local knowledge and common sense built in I might look into it. I have driven in Germany, France, Spain, Belgium, Holland, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and UAE without one. No problem.

RaY MOTT
RaY MOTT

But not everyone is driving a vehicle with the latest techonology – there is still the odd moggy without a servo out there so worst case has to be catered for – I am also Croydon resident and find the 20 mph a pain – understand outside a school/care home etc – in fact in some cases think even slower may be appropriate – but virtually a whole borough?

Bill Hansen
Bill Hansen

Think of the poor drivers in Edinburgh. The council, always been anti car, is introducing 20mph throughout the WHOLE TOWN. One thing is to catch the speedsters on main roads. Go onto the side streets and plnty of money could be had especially at night. Sometimes you wonder if policing is a 8 to 5 job.

D.Nelson-Wills
D.Nelson-Wills

Not just Edinburgh – we also have the “Green-Party plague” of 20 everywhere here – BRIGHTON! There is no such thing as a “rush-hour” in Brighton and Hove now – just a “2-hour crawl” at the start and end of each day!!!

Ray Sellars
Ray Sellars

Keith, a missing element to everyone’s calculations are the road conditions at the time. Weather, lack of maintenance etc. We seem to have a lot of mathematicians, but not a lot of ‘reality’ !!

Chris
Chris
You started off well finished talking dribble, you should not be looking, taking notice of cameras, Just drive properly. If you do that cameras do not matter. I often get angry drivers following me as I do go between 28-30 or less if needed (through tight gaps). Everyone is in a hurry when I have proven many times speeding does not save you time in traffic. You just catch the car in front a little bit quicker. Cameras are only what you call a cash cow due to people breaking the law. The simple answer is DO NOT speed. If… Read more »
Keith
Keith

Ian: I agree with the sentiment of your message. However, you have made a mistake about the conversion from mph to ft/s.
30 mph is exactly equal to 44 ft/s. The conversion can be done as follows; Multiply speed in mph by 5280 ( which is the number of feet in a mile) then divide the result by 3600 (which is the number of seconds in an hour).
Incidentally, I am not the same ‘Keith’ who has also contributed to discussions here.

michel
michel

30 mph is 44 feet per second, not 50, so all of your figures are more than 10% out. Having said that, I agree with most of what you say, and object only to those limits imposed and reduced solely as fund raising exercises; ie the National speed limit, and lower ones in inappropriate areas.

D.Nelson-Wills
D.Nelson-Wills

Ian, you are WRONG!! a car (or any vehicle) travelling at 30mph actually covers 44 feet-per-second – a difference of 6 feet-per-second (or 2 yards-per-second or approximately 1.75 metres-per-second). You need to check your maths…

DMR
DMR
Ian I was a Traffic Cop. A well trained driver will understand what’s going on ahead of him/her long before they need to react. By your judgement there is no such thing as a safe speed, so we should all give up driving. None of the road crashes I attended (a lot) could be entirely blamed on speed. It was always bad driving that caused the crash, the speed merely exacerbated the injury/fatality incidence. I will also add that the Highway Code reaction times, braking and stopping distances were conducted in the 50”s/60’s in a Ford Anglia complete with drum… Read more »
John
John

30 mph is 44 feet per second. Back to school. I think you had better check all your quoted figures. And there is no need for the 3rd form bad language.

Mike
Mike

Actually I was taught the 60 mph was 88 feet per second so I’e just saved 6 ft.

Rick
Rick

Actually, it’s 44 feet per second at 30Mph

Ray Sellars
Ray Sellars
As Edward says, ‘a self righteous reply’… I’ve raced motorcycles for 12 years and at 59 years old guess what ?? No speeding related points on my licence and yet I still have ‘fun’ on my bike and in my car. The speed restrictions in a lot of areas are imposed by the ‘NIMBY’s, who would want their village to be as it was in rural England, back in the 50s. Your comments on technologies astound me and as Edward says, maybe your cave is the best place to stay, away from the road network. What are your thoughts on… Read more »
KRMorben
KRMorben

This will be unpopular, I know but…Cars are indeed much better than in 1935. Better brakes, ABS etc. etc. However, the person driving it is exactly the same model as the 1935 model, but with more distractions – the radio, CD multichanger, phone, GPS, etc. As the tagline says ”It’s 30 for a reason”

Fletch
Fletch

The fact is a simple one. Hit somebody 30 mph & 80% chance they will survive. Hit them over that limit & there is a 80% chance they will not.
ABS does not slow a vehicle quicker, it allows the vehicle to manoeuvre while under heavy braking to avoid the hazard.

Dennis West
Dennis West

Not quite true. Hit a person, especially a child, at 30MPH with an ordinary car like BMW and the body will in most cases slide up the bonnet, hit the windscreen and fall to one side. 80% chance, as you say, of getting away with a broken leg or pelvis but alive. Now take the case of a 4X4 like a Land Rover. The body will be pushed forward and by the time vehicle stops the body is underneath, head crushed by the sump or gearbox….dead! One reason I hate 4X4s.

Anthony Murray
Anthony Murray

Edward, you’ve put nearly all accidents down to driver error. Surely that’s a good enough reason not to increase the speed limits??? You have a confused logic!

Ray Sellars
Ray Sellars

Were the roads poorer ??/ Can’t believe that !! 😉

COLIN AVERN
COLIN AVERN

Come to CROYDON. SURREY the local council has all but main roads reduçed to 20mph in force 24hrs a day its crazy putting more traffic back on the main roads

DMR
DMR
I don’t mean to be critical, but unless drivers take an advanced driving course many speed limits now are entirely appropriate. In my opinion drivers should be restricted by a power to weight measurement to the cars they are allowed to drive after they pass their DSA basic driving test. Progression to secondary standards (I hate the term advance driving) should allow a better power to weight ratio car to be driven until at the top standard, say RoSPA Gold, any car can be driven. As it is, a learner can take a driving test in a Ferrari, pass, and… Read more »
whiskymike
whiskymike

Recently in Wolverhampton a man was killed by a speeding driver and the coroner suggested there should be a lower limit of 40 rather than 60 mph however the driver concerned was actually 16. He should not have been behind the wheel at all, so the speed limit is irrelevant. He ws unlicensed period

Lisa
Lisa

Just yesterday on the m11 at 70mph cars were speeding by me at a frightening speed and bobbing and flashing me for sticking to the limit. I was in a suzuki ignis. These we men in mercs range rovers and bmws. Oh and one in a porche. Fact is they were scaring me too thinking I was doing something wrong.

C Gilbert
C Gilbert

regardless of whether you were doing 70 or not if you were in the middle lane and not overtaking, then you were doing something wrong and that’s why they were flashing you!

Tony
Tony

Are there 3 lanes on the M11, a lot is just dual carriageway, in which case overtaking at 70 you may not be able to pull in fast enough for the Mercs, BMW’s and Porche’s

Charlie H
Charlie H
If you drive now through Europe – and especially in Austria and increasingly in Germany – the motorway police are prosecuting – instant fines – if you don’t keep ‘well to the right in normal driving’ – which is of course a requirement in the UK driving code (except it’s to the left of course!). There has been a noticeable increase in signs – in English – ordering you to keep right – especially on the newly completed Austrian sections, of which there have been many recently. Be a middle lane hogger at your peril – if the inside lane… Read more »
whiskymike
whiskymike

I recently visited Germany where driving standard seem far higher.
There were NO speed bumps, NO potholes and NO speed limits on M ways In addition ALL trucks are limited to the inside lane with NO overtaking and no trucks allowed at week ends

Herr Denis
Herr Denis
Driving standard higher in Germany?? You obviously haven’t been there in the last 20 years. Over half the Autobahn kilometres now have a 130 kph limit or lower. And such poorly-designed drainage that they regularly flood in rainstorms and cause aquaplaning. There are plenty of speed bumps (‘Geschwindigkeitshoecker’) and chicanes in cities and towns, and money is so tight that there are plenty of potholes. Trucks can’t use the outside lane on the Autobahn, but they are allowed to overtake in the middle lane, just as in the UK. They are mostly not allowed on the road on Sundays (Saturday… Read more »
Chris
Chris

That’s because they do not have a highway code. Their one is all law. No loops. They pass the theory, then learn to drive, it includes motorways and night driving, and filtering traffic that British really suck at.

PTR
PTR

perhaps you were sitting in the outside lanes and refusing to give way to faster traffic, that’s an offense too. I drive a Merc, haven’t been booked for anything since 1974 and get really annoyed by selfish slow drivers.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Well said PTR, I have a 500 SL and there are SO many slow drivers around!!

Chris
Chris

Slow or legal?

David Adams
David Adams

Exactly. When I’m driving at 70 mph in the outside lane, and overtaking traffic in the middle lane, I’d love to allow those wishing to drive at 80 mph or 90 mph past, but it’s often not possible to move over, or to drive faster myself, but that’s not legal. It’s a crazy law that forces you to break one law to obey another.

Mike
Mike

Middle lane?

Darkie
Darkie

Was it because you were stuck in the middle lane? None of those drivers ever use the inside lane.

Neddy
Neddy

And the worst of them all, “Driving too close”.

John
John

Speeding either is the cause or isn’t make your mind up Dave?????!!!!!

George
George

It’s not the speed limit that is too slow, it is the driver who HAS to go too fast! Tootle off to another country where the speed limits are higher or non-existent … perhaps Antarctica would be best for you!

Keith Simpson
Keith Simpson

Unfortunately accidents are mostly caused by distractions, not speed. An average speed limit causes drivers to contantly take their eyes off the road where they should be in order to check their speedometer. I would have said that is a serious distraction & as such is going to cause more accidents than any it prevents.

Daniel
Daniel

Quite right Keith. Common sense.

Michael
Michael

I am very concerned about so called jaywalking. In urban area in particular pedestrians seem to cross the road anywhere they wish even if there is a pedestrian crossing nearby! Jaywalking, plus the plethora of signs and lights everywhere, adds up to a driving environment which is conducive to distraction.
I have also noticed that many drivers don’t seem to know how to use their indicators on roundabouts any more.

George Gray
George Gray

Most cars are now fitted as standard with cruise control, or speed limiting devices, which should be set to the speed limit on the road you are travelling on.

Toby Frank
Toby Frank

Cruise control does not guarantee constant speed. Your vehicle may speed up if the road begins a downhill section. Also, it can be a cause of accidents in wet conditions.

C Gilbert
C Gilbert

problem is Keith that distractions occurring at higher speeds can be even more dangerous…. no speed limits would just encourage speeding and more accidents with fatalities

Keith Simpson
Keith Simpson

Indeed distractions at the higher speeds on motorways will cause more serious accidents, including the distraction caused by trying to observe an average speed limit.

I never said no speed limits but speed limits should be more in tune with road conditions which vary, for example in France 130km [80mph] on motorways reduces to 110 when it is raining. Where a speed limit is lower than the road conditions would allow then you end up needing to check your speedometer more frequently but especially in an average speed limit zone that is constantly monitoring your speed.

Terry
Terry
Don’t forget that it is illegal to use any form of speed camera alert in France. Also, they delight in hiding the cameras to make it virtually impossible to ‘find’ them. I was on the E40 southbound towards Dunkirk a couple of years ago when the traffic slowed to a crawl. As we passed one of those green upside down dustbins the French use at the start of offslips, I happened to glance in my door mirror to find I was looking straight into a camera lens! The speed camera was inside the bin which had a hole cut in… Read more »
Terry
Terry

I disagree. Unless you are on an empty road, everybody else is attempting to keep to the same limit and it is a fair bet that some of them are using cruise control. So check what speed everybody else is doing and simply keep to the same speed!

Cat
Cat

That used to be in The Highway Code as ‘keeping up with the flow of the traffic’ and I believe allowed a little speeding!

Chris
Chris

That is untrue. You are the flow of traffic. You have quoted a part out of context. You need to keep to the flow when merging. If you speed you are breaking the law and therefore all flowing with you are. If you keep to the limit you are correcting the flow 😉

michel
michel

If everyone is breaking the law, then the law is probably wrong.

Peter
Peter

you’ve hit the nail on the head

Pete
Pete

So Keith, you don’t normally check your speedo while you’re driving then?

Allan
Allan

Al,
I agree, they work fairly well on Motorways etc apart from the odd idiot who knows better, and in reply to another correspondent regarding keeping to the limit and checking the speedo regularly my solution if you have it fitted is to use cruise control it works every time, same in built up areas as well, most cruise will still operate at 30 mph, anything less it will kick out.

Barrie
Barrie

Adaptive cruise control in VW Golf is superb, main reason I bought the car plus speed limiter in town traffic.

Johnno
Johnno

You might not think that way if you’re unlucky enough to have to drive the A9 in Scotland.
Due to the Scottish governments refusal to upgrade this road over many decades it has become one of the country’s most dangerous roads with countless head on crashes as cars stuck behind convoys of lorries try to overtake them.
The answer it seems was to install average speed cameras along the entire length of this road rather than spend money making it safer !! Raising money in fines is clearly a priority in Scotland.

Glenn Arnold
Glenn Arnold

I have to laugh to myself on motorways when I see SPECS or similar cameras, particularly at roadworks, and people driving near me who approach the cameras at the correct speed, only to accelerate furiously away as soon as they pass the camera. I can imagine the shock on their faces when they open the official looking envelope which drops through their letterbox a few days later!

Charlie
Charlie

Who invited the enemy on here?

Sandy
Sandy

Cheapest way to avoid speeding fines is not to speed! Then there is no need to buy the Drivesmart or any other similar device and you will not get fined – simple.

Chrissy
Chrissy

Since you can now get a fine for 1 mark above the speed limit I think you can easily be caught out when you are not intentionally speeding I would like to say I never speed but that would be making me a liar as I looked down at my speedo after overtaking OMG it was on 61. let those that have never sinned cast the first stone I believe there would be no stones thrown.

Keith
Keith

Interesting, where can you get a fine for 1 “mark” (?) over the speed limit ?
Most times it’s 10% over and some.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

I got a £100 fine for doing 46 in a 40 zone, money grabbing is what it’s about, nothing to do with safety at all. My wife spoke to a policeman who admitted they get sent out with targets to reach.

Lisa
Lisa

I’ve been told that too

Brassed off
Brassed off

Speed cameras is there to make money, absolutely little to do with safety, which is why they are usually sited at the bottom of a hill, hardly ever at the top where they can be seen before you get to the top.

Ian Whittles
Ian Whittles

If you had been doing 40 instead of 46 you would be £100 better off,maybe just maybe it will slow you down next time

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Ian=self righteous dipstick

David
David

Dear Maboza. A friend of a friend had your problem.
Solved it with crab cream, concentrated dettol mixed with Phenol, applied daily for 30 days.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

David=5hithead

Jon Sellars
Jon Sellars

I had 3 points for doing 35 in a 30mph zone. No excuse but it was a dual carriageway and a dry sunny day. I measured the lines and argued I could have been doing 31mph. They wrote back and said yes but that is still above 30mph…

Pajero
Pajero

If that 30 mph dual carriageway did not have lights mounted on lampposts no more than 200 yards apart then the speed limit was un-enforceable under Section 82.1 of the Road Traffic Act, 1984. In that case you can sue the police authority for issuing a false and pernicious document (i.e. the Notice of Intended Prosecution), have any endorsement wiped off your license and claim monetary compensation for the distress caused.

george
george

It not 10% anymore,They are being much more aggressive with the ticketing and its just around 3mph over the limit now,I have seen the new M3 Hadecs cameras just installed flashing constantly!!

Paul
Paul

They are testing them. Surrey does use the 10% + 2 rule. 1st hand knowledge

Norman
Norman

Surrey might but Yorkshire do NOT as I was caught doing 34 in a 30 limit. 30+10%+2equals 35 on a mobile device but a few months earlier I was doing 35 on the same road and an unmarked car pulled me aside and after explaining I was watching the road rather than the speedometer he let me off surely this proves that the cameras are cash cows!!!

RaY MOTT
RaY MOTT

10% +2 is not intended as the formula for speeding , it is to allow for the margin of error in Speedos

Ian
Ian

No it isn’t Ray. Car speedometers are not allowed to under-read AT ALL. Mass produced car speedometers are permitted to OVER-read by up to 10% + 2.5 MPH but no under-read is permitted. The 10%+2 guideline is so that the police and the camera partnerships can get away with sloppy calibration and poor operating procedure whilst still standing half a chance of making the charge “stick” in court.

george
george

They are live right now so you will get a ticket if you get caught

Paul
Paul

I am personally involved in the nationwide role out of Hadecs3 along with other interesting things. So know all the little details when and where and by how much the speed limit threshold is set.

Jane
Jane

What about the M25 near Chorleywood? Seems to flash regularly and also I’d heard that it makes a lot of money! 😉

Scottie
Scottie

But it’s not a RULE, it’s a guideline

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Paul=enemy 5hithead

Jay
Jay

Would you care to leave an even vaguely articulate and helpful comment?

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Jay as in Jay Silverheels?

Norma Sheppard
Norma Sheppard

How would Maboza and the anti camera brigade react if someone they loved was killed by a speeding motorist? Approximately FIVE people EVERY day are killed on our roads many more injured so how could we stop the carnage? Would stopping drivers who don’t like to adhere to the laws of this land be a better option but how do we do it?

Ian
Ian

It would depend if that person was killed BECAUSE the motoris was speeding or for some other reason. We need to get away from this hysterical “speed kills” mindset and actually look at the REAL, primary cause of each accident. Even the government has stopped peddling it’s “one third lie” these days. Exceeding the speed limit is the primary causal factor in only about 5-7% of accidents.

Peter
Peter

What if its not a speeding motorist is that ok? There not all related to speed.

Pensoner
Pensoner

Teach ALL road users how to use the roads & pavements,it is not allways the driver at fault,many pedestrians just step off the pavement without even looking to see if it`s safe to do so,they just expect the driver to stop & some cyclists also need to abide by the rules of the road.

John
John
The speed camera at the junction of the Ring Road and Unthank Road in Norwich clocked me at 31 miles an hour even though my speedometer showed 29 miles an hour. At the time I was being passed on the inside as I was slowing down to turn right into Unthank Road. Cost me £60 and 3 points. First time in 61 years of driving. My solicitor said it would cost more to appeal than to pay the fine so I paid. She did not charge for the advice. Please, not comments about getting my speedometer calibrated, I have had… Read more »
Badger
Badger

You managed to take an accurate look at your speedo the very second you saw the camera flash? Very unlikely

Paul
Paul

Clearly your either a liar or your speedometer is faulty. There is only one force area in the UK that does not apply the 10%+2 (10% +3 in a 20 zone) rule and that is Avon and Somerset

Steven Marshall
Steven Marshall

Paul,
What is the legal status of this rule ? that I understood to be in place to mitigate any speedo error.

Is it a legal consideration to have this rule in place ? or can authorities just dismiss it ?
Or was it never actually a rule, just guidance !

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

It’s the Chief Constable’s decision as to what prosecution threshold they use, if any.

Marcus
Marcus

i agree with you on the Avon and Somerset. was driving on the Britol patch of the m5 about 6.30 when the road was clear.. apparently the variable speed was on at 60 and i must have missed it so i was doing 68 in a normally 70 zone. i got a ticket the next day. the variable signs are worse

Jon
Jon

Royal Parks Constabulary don’t apply the 10% +2.

Norman
Norman

NOT true as Yorkshire don’t apply this rule

Gavin Rider
Gavin Rider

Well he is the one who got the fine and he has stated the speed that he was “clocked at” by the camera, so the reading on his speedometer is actually irrelevant, isn’t it?

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

Sussex operates 10% + 3 for speed offence purposes.

Brian Fraser
Brian Fraser

I am sure the law is your speedo can over read but not under read your speed so if you got done because your speedo was slower than the speed you were doing you shouldn’t be liable

Ian
Ian

@Brian, the first part of that is true. Unfortunately the second part isn’t. You just risk getting prosecuted for having a defective vehicle AS WELL AS speeding.

Gen
Gen

Did you consider that, approaching a junction, you should maybe have been going considerably slower to allow fir the hazard? To approach at the top speed allowed was perhaps not the best driving decision.

Dennis Wood
Dennis Wood

So you slow down at every junction just in case then?

Russ
Russ

Unfortunately only by police. The safety car partnerships and alike due to falling numbers have lowered to threshold to catch more people and lowered speeds to make them too low so it makes more money for council’s as they keep the money from the classes taken. I got done for 2mph over and some are 1mph over so not stupid speeding like people make out

Tony
Tony

It’s worse in the states, a trip to San Antonio on the interstate saw a speed limit of 17mph, reducing to 13 mph. An american colleague, said its speed trap, the town is short of funds, sure enough, a motorcycle cop was waiting behind a tree 1/2 mile further on.

Barrie
Barrie

In Wells, Somerset 32 in 30 limit was enough as I know to my cost!

Jon
Jon

Many “forces” used to use the Association of Chief Police Officers guidelines, 10% + 2m.p.h. to allow for inaccurate speedometers and grace. Today speedos are accurate and the “forces of revenue” are strong young Jedi, they no longer use A.C.P.O. guidelines. Royal Parks are the place for a ticket, they don’t mind you mowing down cyclist and joggers, it’s the deer they’re protecting.

Kieran
Kieran

Scotland. There is zero tolerance North of the border if its “manned” and not automated cameras IE I.E. if the officer can pull you over the policy says they should.

Adrian
Adrian

Try roade in Northants, I have seen a ticket for 31 in a 30 area

Rob
Rob

The standard penalty is 10%+1, so you have to be doing 78mph on a motorway to get nicked.

David
David

Try being a stranger and having to use the A30 in Surrey when the M3 is closed and try not to get a ticket. It’s almost like they keep messing with the speed limits so they can get you with a speed camera.

RaY MOTT
RaY MOTT

There is a junction in Reigate I think at the bottom of a really steep hill – with 4 cameras – trap or what? – Also if they invested the money on the road surface instead…

Dave
Dave

I agree, but can you put your hand on heart & say you have NEVER accidentally exceeded the speed limit??

Paul S
Paul S

Sandy, so i take it that your eyes are totally fixed to your speedometer????

Mark
Mark

Hmmmmm!!

guvner
guvner

hows life in your ivory tower thesedays ?

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

P155 off Sandy you pc dipstick

Ellerton
Ellerton

Maboza, If you can’t say anything constructive – butt out !!!

Nixoff Swiftly
Nixoff Swiftly

Ellerton, got any gleenogs?

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Ellerton go and have your manure bags emptied, they are full to the brim!!

Jay
Jay

Mabiza: again: if you can’t respond with at least a modicum of respect and articulation, best not to bother to respond at all. These pejorative comments add nothing to a reasoned discussion such as others are having here, and show no-one but you in a poor light.

Gonzalez
Gonzalez
The problem with speed cameras is that they are generally unable to take into account different conditions, and on the motorways often seem to get switched on unnecessarily for a bit of rain or snow or because there was an accident/queue at some point somewhere in the next 10 miles. Different times of day, different weather, different cars, even different drivers make a huge difference to what is a safe speed. Sometimes it is perfectly safe to drive in excess of the speed limits but equally sometimes it is NOT safe to drive at the speed limit. Unfortunately we need… Read more »
Paul
Paul

If you a not willing to comply with very well though our English laws, Gonzalez please leave our nice country and return your country.

Jay
Jay

Paul, Gonzales may be a foreigner but he knows how to spell. You don’t

Tony
Tony

Paul
Where are the well thought out limits in this country, the vast majority of limits are arbitrary and unfit for purpose, As Keith Simpson said in an earlier contribution, the french system of different limits for different conditions would be far superior, S perhaps change the limits for traffic density as well, and average speed of 50 on and empty matorway, with no workers in evidence is ludicrous.

Scottie
Scottie

That’s exactly what Gonzalez stated!

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Jay=Bonehead

RaY MOTT
RaY MOTT

Why do some people have to be so bigoted – what relevance is race? I am a professional commercial driver – whilst I comply with the law I wholeheartedly agree with the point Gozalez is making. Would love to know how you know their nationality and immigration status!

Dennis Wood
Dennis Wood

“thought out” not “though our”

Dave
Dave

Dear Racist,
Please return back to your country of origin ;
Africa !
You Neanderthal .

Homo Erectus
Homo Erectus

Hmmm, agreed the first comment was racial profiling based on a given name and stupid, however Neanderthal’s have never been found in Africa, the first bones were discovered in the Neander Valley in Germany hence the name given.

Brian
Brian

Can we have speed cameras which measure idiots entering a motorway from a slip road at 35mph? Also when will somebody invent a ‘lane hogging’ camera?

Alasdair
Alasdair

It’s not just 35mph. I have found the vast majority do not accelerate to match the speed of traffic already on the road. This selfish attitude usually triggers a sea of brake lights, lane changing, reduced traffic flow and increased emissions when the other traffic once again accelerates back up to speed.

Ironically, the perpetrator behaves in this way to save fuel and emissions yet causes many other vehicles to need to change speed.

Human beings, eh?

Pensioner
Pensioner

Not human beings just bad drivers.

Gbenga
Gbenga

Brian, in the olden days, the so-called slip roads used to be called “Acceleration” & “Deceleration” lanes. Political Correctness changed that. The words “Slip Road” does not connote the use of the lanes, hence you see people doing very low speed and stiull abuse you if you try to overtake them and join the MW.

D.Nelson-Wills
D.Nelson-Wills

For what its worth, there is a MINIMUM speed limit on motorways – and it applies to “Slip Roads/Acceleration Lanes too – it is 45mph; check the latest edition of The Highway Code!

Also, maybe start to practise “IPGSA”, as per the IAM: Information-Position-Gears-Speed-Acceleration; it will help you to be a much safer driver 🙂

Andrew
Andrew

Suggest that there is a fine for under-speed / inconsiderate driving. Driving at 40mph over the limit will likely lead to a ban or large fine. Driving 40mph below should lead to a competency test and points. Both upper and lower should be adjusted for weather conditions, but on clear days with dry roads and perfect visibility there is no excuse for 20-30mph on a 60mph road.

Paul
Paul

Police can actually fine for driving will below the limit – Obstructive Driving – Unfortunately would be difficult to enforce on cameras as you would need manual intervention to eliminate all offences that could be considered ‘No fault’ – conjestion etc.

Bongo Bill
Bongo Bill

Pretty hard when traffic police numbers dropped by almost a third since 2010.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Good! One thing we don’t need is more traffic cops!!

Ben
Ben
> Unfortunately would be difficult to enforce on cameras as you would need manual intervention to eliminate all offences that could be considered ‘No fault’ – conjestion etc. Not really. You’d need manual checks to catch some odder causes, but things like congestion would actually be relatively easy to deal with based on ANPR and calculation of times etc. Assuming we’re talking about smarter cameras than your average fixed-point (which they’d have to be). Not that I think rolling out _more_cameras is in any way a good idea, but it’s really not that difficult a challenge to address, particularly if… Read more »
John Penny
John Penny

I don’t think there are any minimum speeds in this country are there? Saw them in the States though, to my surprise.

Gary M
Gary M

Yes, they are on circular shaped signs with a blue background. They are usually found in tunnels where their aim is to keep traffic moving in a steady manner e.g. not creating a need to change lanes or a backlog.

Mike Stryk
Mike Stryk

Oh dear! How did we ever survive the mass outbreak of death before big brother started fining us up the Ying Yang? Don’t forget, if you get zapped, your insurance company will want to cash in on the action too. They’ll slap a hefty chunk on top of your premium and trouser it for no reason at all.

If any politician were brave enough to push through a ban, they’d be a national hero. Except amongst those that believe ordinary folks can’t live without being robot controlled and watched.

Paul
Paul

As soon as somebody close to you is killed, you will very quickly change your tune

Gavin
Gavin
Dangerous drivers who cause fatal accidents may well be exceeding the speed limit while they are driving dangerously. That does not mean that everyone who exceeds a nominal speed limit set by the local authority (often in response to a powerful local lobbyist or residents’ pressure group) is driving dangerously. There are now thousands of arbitrarily set speed limit reductions in the UK which bear no relationship to the safety of driving at a particular speed on that section of road. It is no longer possible to drive according to the road and traffic conditions, as I was taught to,… Read more »
Ilma
Ilma
You are quite correct Gavin, limits are entirely arbitrary and often the result of non-driver pressure groups/campaigns. The reality is that it’s not speed per-se that’s dangerous, but inappropriate speed. Fundamentally, driving is an equation with inputs and outputs . The inputs are all the road, traffic & weather conditions etc. where continual observation is key, and a principal output is your speed. The notion that speed is an input to the driving equation is absurd, as that communicates the idea that the speed limit guarantees safety. The motorway limit is 70mph, but at night in thick fog and rain,… Read more »
Daniel
Daniel

How eloquently put, and so sensible.

Pensioner
Pensioner

I fully agree with you on this BUT the problem is too many drivers seem to have lost their grey matter & should not even be driving as you need to be able to think & act on the changing situation as you drive & far too many just seem unable to do that.

Daniel
Daniel

Well spoken Gavin.

Barry freeman
Barry freeman

So 30 is safe and you are captain conscience
but 32 makes you public enemy no 1 ?
Ignorance is bliss isnt it ?

Frank
Frank

I saw a sign whilst in Norfolk the other day…….a speed limit is not a target …. it made me think

DMR
DMR

A speed limit is not a target but the Highway Code tells us all to drive to the speed limit where is is safe to do so in order to not to frustrate other drivers.

So in fact, a speed limit is indeed a target.

I’ll considered road signs erected by local authorities with no understanding of driving protocol are yet another unnecessary distraction.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

I like to exceed the target on a quite country road, like to see how fast I can go round bends.

Grumpy old git
Grumpy old git
Scottie
Scottie

Quiet, you useless lump of !$£””%$%$ )(&*^+%.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Beam me up snotty

TonyFisk
TonyFisk

Quite country roads. Avoiding the VERY country roads and shunning entirely the EXCEEDINGLY country roads, then?

Dave
Dave

What do you think about black & white thinking Paul ?
Could shades of grey exist ?

Daniel
Daniel

Oh, no I won’t!

Leigh
Leigh
Those running so called Safety Partnerships reckon that mobile cameras are a more effective means of controlling speed than fixed ones. What they really mean is they are a more effective way of raising money. Drivers see a fixed camera and slow down NO FINE. If mobile cameras are so effective why don’t they operate a night shift? Fixed cameras work 24/7. Pedestrian casualties seem to be the main focus of cameras, yet there is no responsibilty on pedestrians themselves, many think it is up to the motorist to avoid them, not the other way round. What is needed is… Read more »
Robert Bracegirdle
Robert Bracegirdle

I found a speed trap 20 years ago on Carter Bar at 0100hrs.

D.Nelson-Wills
D.Nelson-Wills

Sadly, we are the ONLY country in Europe (No, NOT the EU!!) that does not have a law against jay-walking…
We might also need a law requiring all pedestrians to demonstrate that they have some regard for their actions (it used to be called “common sense” before the days of this fastidious “Political Correctness” oxymoron…

Neil
Neil

They do! I was caught by a hand held gun three o’clock in the morning near Heathrow, after overtaking a bad driver who was wandering from lane to lane, stopping for no reason and appeared drunk. He was not pulled over!

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

Some police forces operate speed cameras at night. Some cameras do not come within the remit of Partnerships so do not have to operate with those guidelines.

sue lloyd
sue lloyd

This was extremely enlightening, I had wondered what all these new cameras were doing, now I know. I wasn’t aware of the new charges either, OUCH.
I agree with Sandy, but speed limits are in my opinion are being reduced too far, particularly roads like A13 in London, it doesn’t seem reasonable to force 3 lanes to 30 mph when there’s no pedestrian traffic on 99% of it.

Paul
Paul

Traffic volume is part of the reason. You can fit more cars onto a section of road if the speed limit is lower. 2 seconds following distance @ 70 mhp is 62.572 meters. At 30 mph is 26.817 meters. Capacity increase a minimum 2.057 times

YOG
YOG

No one considered the extra exhaust pollution caused by having to be in a lower gear?

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

YOG get lost with your pollution 5hit!!

Nick
Nick

What about throughput of traffic?

Paul
Paul

In reality it goes up.

Dave
Dave

Is that the BSometer ?

Nick
Nick

Maybe – not by the maths in my head, but I can’t be bothered to do it properly. What about all the wasted person-hours that people spend driving instead of doing any useful work. Or for people who drive for work what about the extra hours of driving to achieve the same thing but slower? People who want to drive dangerously will do so until all cars are driverless – which is the goal we should really be working towards at the speediest rate.

Dave
Dave

Hi Nick ,

Please slow down with your train of thought .
Please excuse my mixed transportation metaphors .
Guilty as charged , I thought too quickly (speeding) in my response .
Death by hanging for me please , but for the sake of onlookers , please make it well below the knot tension speed limit .

Could a speed limit ever be inappropriate ???

Paul
Paul

It does not work in simple maths, this is why traffic authorities use simulation software. Traffic management is not as simple as point a to point b. Traffic changes lanes, leaves the road, traffic joins a road.

Ilma
Ilma

If changing lanes is a factor, why don’t we abandon the nearside /offside lane rules, particularly for overtaking, and bring in the American system where all lanes are equal. It would also eliminate middle lane hoggers and the frustration that goes with it. It’s a much more relaxed driving experience, and a relaxed driver is generally safer.

David Adams
David Adams

It’s my belief that drivers’ not constantly changing lanes used to be one of factors that resulted in our motorways’ being relatively safe. I worry that the new legal requirement to keep pulling in and out may lead to a greater incidence of accidents.
I also believe that the new lane rules may have other undesirable effects, including an increase, rather than a decrease, in illegal ‘undertaking’ when the ‘idiot in the middle lane’ is driving slower than those not only in the outside lane but also those in the inside lane. Under the old rules they probably wouldn’t be there.

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

The rules haven’t changed. Just the way the offence can be disposed of

Nick
Nick

There were certainly experiments done in the 90s that showed traffic limited to 50mph on a crowded motorway produced greater throughput of vehicles than traffic at 70mph as at 70mph the traffic tends to clump more. What concerns me more though is the impact of extended journey times on the economy.

Dave
Dave

Simple

Frank Dawber
Frank Dawber

I agree but denser traffic increases air polution

DMR
DMR
Paul “Traffic volume is part of the reason. You can fit more cars onto a section of road if the speed limit is lower. 2 seconds following distance @ 70 mhp is 62.572 meters. At 30 mph is 26.817 meters. Capacity increase a minimum 2.057 times” A couple of things I would like to point out here. First, very few people drive at 60 MPH with more than half a football pitch between them and the car in front. You are confusing theory with reality. Second, braking distances were calculated in the 50’s/60’s using a drum braked Ford Anglia, with… Read more »
Dave
Dave

mhp ?
more hopeless plonkers ?

Tony
Tony

I live near a two-mile stretch of dual carriageway which used to have a 70mph speed limit. After a couple of fatal accidents a few years ago, the limit was brought down to 50mph and 6 cameras installed. I later found, under the FOI act, that the accidents all involved stolen cars but presumably the police/local authority did not want to consider this but get the cameras and the money in.

Sensible One
Sensible One

Very interesting Tony. I would like to ask the powers that be who decided to put up the speed cameras and reduce the speed limit to 50 that would it have made any difference to a person driving a stolen car if they got flashed by a speeding camera??

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

A death is a death is a death!

Alasdair
Alasdair

Drivers of stolen cars give no consideration to speed limits.
Reducing the speed limit for that is a waste of time unless appeasing pressure groups and revenue from speed cameras was the intended outcome.

I mourn the death of critical thinking.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Dave you Rolfs brother?

Dave
Dave

Unless you believe in the afterlife

Cpt_Strangepork
Cpt_Strangepork
Unfortunately Speed Cameras do not cater for all the other offences taking place on our roads; using mobile phones etc. and also the appalling (mis)use of multi lane roads; how often do you see a long line of traffic in the outside lane and the inside lanes clear except for a few vehicles? Has anybody done the calculation on the congestion and delays that causes, never mind the frustration. Use of so called ‘smart’ motorways and increasing the number of lanes to 4 or more has made the situation worse, often the inside lane is completely clear of any vehicles… Read more »
Tony
Tony

I tend to sit about 65 in the inside lane keeping pace with the HGV’s, watching the stream of brake lights continuously in the outside lane, It’s not very often that I’m unable to pull out into the middle lane to overtake. It’ s great that since retirement though, I don’t have to be anywhere anytime particularly, so much more relaxing out of the rat race.

DMR
DMR

Tony,

with respect, you are therefore part of the problem. Whilst it’s admirable that you use lane 1, the highway code advises that you maintain the speed limit when safe to do so.

Daniel
Daniel

So sensible and so right.

Ian Whittles
Ian Whittles

Cpt Strangepork Go in to the nearside lane then you won’t get frustrated

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

Mobile cameras can and do detect other offences besides speed.

Brian Fraser
Brian Fraser

As for all the you shouldn’t be speeding then you have nothing to worry about. There are times in some locations you wouldn’t even know you were speeding, where zones change or where signage isn’t obvious and of course when cameras are wilfully places in obscure locations. People are not all malicious law breakers. The issue is the lack of visibility of the revenue use, the using of the motorist as a cash cow.

Paul
Paul

If you can prove that the signage was not adequate or missing you can challenge the fine. It has been done before, where somebody had removed some of the signage.

David
David

It is fairly certain that most local authorities will change the speed at which a fine becomes liable depending on how much revenue they wish to raise. If they are a bit short of funds the speed at which fines are levied will be lower. Hence more money is raised.

Chris
Chris

That’s good so now I know I can drive my car after a bottle of vodka cause I know I am a good driver and I steer straight when I am drunk and the laws are stupid

You lot are like a lot of spoilt kids
How many times do you speed and get away with it tons and then you cry when you get caught get a life

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

If you did some research, you might change your mind on that.

Daniel
Daniel

Hear hear

MJK
MJK

Do as “the man” tells you and obey all the rules you sad little sheep. Not caring about cameras and being the most watched society on earth because “I don’t do anything wrong” is like not wanting freedom of speech because you have nothing to say!

John
John

What about speed signs that don’t conform to the standard black lettering on a white circular disk with a red ring round it? On the A55 there are black 40 mph numbers on yellow rectangles, a 40mph sign on the wrong side of the dual carriageway near conwy which is signed elsewhere as 70 mph and at queensferry there is a 20mph sign which has red numbers instead of black. Surely signs which don’t conform to the official standard can’t be legal?

Scottie
Scottie

You need you read the Highway Code again. Triangles are advisory.

Alasdair
Alasdair

No one taking the Common Law approach, it seems.

Most people simply have too much to lose in our regimented society. Shame because people could have real freedom but choose not to.

Then again, most people would probably not behave responsibly if give freedom from statutes.

Daniel
Daniel

Well said.

Jon
Jon

Ha! Brilliant! that really made me laugh!

Baz
Baz

When will the British motorist accept the we are just the CASHCOW for the government of the day.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Well said Baz!!

Dr David Kerr
Dr David Kerr

They are nothing but a cashcow to rob motorists as the mobile vans said that I had been doing 45 in a 30 limit but based on the distance I had allegedly had been speeding but when I measured the distance over which I had been speeding they didn’t take into consideration the curve in the road or parked cars. Retired engineer

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

I find it quite hard to stick to the limit in a 315bhp 500 SL

John
John

‘…when I measured the distance over which I had been speeding …’

So by your own admission you were speeding!

Jenny
Jenny

“Allegedly” speeding! Read the whole thing before you nitpick

Scottie
Scottie

Parked cars and a bend.

Paul F
Paul F

Methinks it is you who needs to read the whole thing before criticising others for nitpicking. He did say allegedly, but he also said ‘speeding’ without allegedly ….. meh!

Tom P
Tom P

F**k you and your doctorate.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Tom pratface

Alf
Alf
Speed cameras are fine and justworthy and do a good job. Unfortunately the people that monitor them are the real issue. I think the application of common sense is what is needed. Unfortunately common sense is not as common as it should be. On a clear road with light traffic at off peak times is one example where common sense can be applied. The amount of times I see vehicles creeping along and in many cases being more of an issue than not amazes me. If only those monitoring the outcome could see the overal picture and make sensible assessments.… Read more »
P W Court
P W Court
Talking of ‘common sense’, where is the sense in banding speed limits into multiples of 10? Having just returned from a few days in Washington and Oregon states, where speed limits end in a 5 or a 0. Indeed limits ending in a 5 are by far the most common. In UK, it is presumably someone’s job to determine an appropriate limit. Can one ask to see the evidence upon which the decision was based? Presumably, if that evidence exists and a value judgement arrived at the optimum limit being, say, 37 MPH, in this country there is no alternative… Read more »
JayZS
JayZS
I would agree, when fixing a limit on a road there might be only a choice of 30 or 40 mph. It might be the case that the road is safe at 37, but not above that. Hence they would, I assume, sign it as a 30 limit. A few days later along comes Joe, who gets flashed doing 36 and is therefore fined for travelling at a safe speed but breaking the 30 limit. Having 5 mph intervals, especially under 50mph, makes good sense. All in all it is an imperfect system, but it cannot possibly cope with all… Read more »
Paul
Paul

If they did, then what next a speed limit of 35.3333

Paul
Paul

People don’t monitor them, a back office computer does. The law on speeding is black and white. If you speed you pay a fine. Once you have seen the consequences, when things go wrong you would understand – Death, life changing ingeries.

Naïf
Naïf

Ingeries?

An older driver
An older driver

I agree speeding is wrong BUT only vehicles registered with DVLA will receive these fines, I know this because someone from Southern Ireland said they don’t even get parking tickets as their car is registered in another country, so all lorries, cars, motor homes etc are virtually exempt from our rules.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

ingeries?? you mean underwear? That’s called lingerie lolololololol

Nick
Nick

Despite all the speed cameras I constantly see many idiots speeding and causing danger on the roads. If you want to be an idiot it is easy to avoid speed cameras.

Paul
Paul

True, because we have idiots for politicians who insist of them being visible to the public. Some countries allow enforcement to be done covertly, so the only way to avoid them is not to drive on the road.

Terry
Terry

Keep death of the road, drive on the pavement!!!!
Seriously though, a common sense approach to driving and speed limits needs to brought in.

Frank
Frank

Road kill…..people are confusing the slight 33 in a 30 and 40 in a 30….the first a very slight increase chance of injury the 40 death more likely……I think it should on wider roads with little pedestrian traffic 35mph But RIGID 36 IMMEDIATE TICKET

Lynne
Lynne
There are so many cameras out there now in different guises, I’ve NO idea what they’re all for – we’re told some cover accident blackspots but some are hidden in tunnels which flash (which I consider dangerous if you’re in a dark tunnel and something flashes in your rear mirror); 50mph cameras on run ons/offs for Dartford Tunnel and whilst you’re on it – the number of times I’ve been overtaken by cars doing more than 50mph on that (and foreign vehicles!) and some say other cameras are just to’ make money’! If I drive on motorways it’s the M25… Read more »
Andrew
Andrew

Talking of dangerously flashing lights, what about push-bike lights which are often extremely bright and distracting from a long distance away, making it hard to judge their distance and hard to see for a while after looking at them.

Tom P
Tom P

You saw them though – They did their job and you didn’t drive into a vulnerable road user. Well done.
P.S – Ever been dazzled by some c**t who has left their full beams on, or those annoying modern cars with stupidly bright headlights?

John
John
I note the mobile vans are called “Safety Camera Partnership” and the policy is that they are not there to revenue collect but only to make the roads safer. I can’t argue with that intent. I just do wonder though why, where I live on the A68 over twenty five years now, I can say I know where all the bad accidents and fatal ones have been. Odd the safety camera van never ever parks at those spots but only on the long straight sections where its safe to overtake and where there is some tree cover at the verge… Read more »
John
John

Yes, and it’s funny that they are only operate at normal working times. I wonder what sort of person would want to sit in these all day nicking people. Well, one thing for sure, they don’t like to work inconvenient times. The regularly trapped spots near me can be speeded on with impunity after 5 pm and the speeders know it. Safety only when convenient?

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

The positioning of the van does not always correlate with the public’s assumption as to where is the best place to position the van for maximum safety. Many motorists have little or no knowledge as to what is involved in fixing and enforcing speed limits and jump to conclusions which often have little or nothing to do with fact.

Dave
Dave

Let’s remember, folks, there have been speed limits almost since motor vehicles were invented, anb all that has changed is the likelihood of being caught. That’s what niggles drivers! Pay attention, educate your right foot, save money.

Pa Broon
Pa Broon

The biggest problem on motorways are those that just sit in the middle lane for no other reason than laziness..

Neil
Neil

Some sit in the middle lane because they are nervous ( these people should never be on a motorway) and the other type are the ones that drive dead on 70mph in the middle lane, but keep braking, which is distracting. If you overtake them, it’s you that gets the speeding ticket whilst the lane hoggers get away scot free.What happened the the new law regardind lane hogging on motorways?

Nixoff Swiftly
Nixoff Swiftly

Davidson Broon?

John
John

Now I am retired, instead of taking the ‘Major’ route to my destination I use my satnav to take the ‘Minor’ routes. I would like to know who on earth decides what and where a speed limit is imposed. Some of the ones I’ve experienced just beggars belief!

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

With all the talk about 10% etc etc, it’s as well to remember that you can drive to those guidelines if you choose. But if you hit and seriously injure or kill a pedestrian or any other person (even those whose actions were not sensible) you will risk being prosecuted for a serious driving offence with the likelihood that on conviction, you will spend time in jail. It’s really down to choice because at that point, it’s your overall driving behaviour that will be thoroughly investigated and even if you’re below the limit, your behaviour will be judged.

Pensioner
Pensioner

It’s as I said in a previous post, blame the driver even when the pedestrian is at fault, totally wrong.

Craig
Craig

I do my best to stay inside speed limits because I strongly objected to insurers upping my premium when I was caught at 45 in a 40. One SP40 in 20 years and insurers added extra for four years.

davies
davies

M6 with average speed cameras, overtaken by a highways agency truck at aprox 55mph. Do they know something we don’t

rob
rob
unfortunately speed limits are rarely the right speed for the road, motorways fixed at 70mph max, yet country lane 60mph, now where is the sense? All speed limits need a drastic overhaul for all roads & should be variable, to accommodate road conditions at that time, ie, rain should bring them down relative to the conditions & overnight when traffic is very light they can increase! Most motorways can cope with 100mph these days, but must be put against what ever the weather is doing & how heavy the roads are.It also need motorists to abide by the rules of… Read more »
Pensioner
Pensioner

Its not the speed limits that need to change but drivers need to put the brain in gear & drive to the conditions & as for driving at 100mph I dont think a lot of drivers on the roads are safe at 70mph let alone at 100mph & yes I have driven at upto 130mph but NOT in the UK only in Germany were lane discipline is far better that here in the UK & the autoban was all but empty at the time.

Mike
Mike

Lots of rather stupid comments, as usual. Speed doesn’t kill, bad decisions/drivers do. Cameras aren’t a reasonable way of deciding if any given speed is inappropriate. We all accept that what is perfectly safe in some conditions, isn’t in others. So how can an arbitrary speed limit enforced by a machine be reasonable?

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

Of course a speed limit doesn’t guarantee safety. All it does is set a maximum speed at which the authority is content for the time being to allow traffic to travel but it remains the individual’s decision as to what speed to choose. And if that speed is over the limit even if it is perfectly safe, the driver breaks the law and is liable to prosecution. How else would it work?

Stephen lee
Stephen lee

Mobile vans in accident blackspots!!!!!!!!! Why do North York’s police spend so much time with camera vans on the A19 – there are plenty of towns / villages where they may be useful but not on a road designed for our fastest limits. Cameras are never located anywhere near where accidents hav occured.

Frank
Frank

Cash cow catching folk going to and fro from York races

Babs
Babs

Apart from the A64 at Whitwell hill… They often lurk there.

Lee
Lee
Hi have been forced to drive almost 2000 miles on motorways last month, I set cruise control to 70 and sat there. The amount of people who i started to over take and they speed up then when i pull back in slow down again or people who go flying past to slam the brakes on when they see a speed camera cause more issues than actually speeding slightly. I lost count of how many times i was going down the M1 or M42 in a variable speed limit zone with someone going shooting past me then pulling in front… Read more »
Ron
Ron
Speed per se is not the problem, it’s INAPPROPRIATE speedwhich can even be below the posted limit – schools, fog, ice and other hazards. Back in the days when real police used MARKED traffic patrols and not the sneaky unmarked vehicles, when stopped the officer could use his discretion and usually gave tou an ear-bashing and let you go. In these automated days, there is no discretion, only blanket fines regardless of conditions or circumstances. Now, 175% of weekly income – where is the safety issue there? NO politician could ever claim that such heinous fines are justified in the… Read more »
Chris R
Chris R
Thank-you! My point precisely. The other issue you touch on about “sneaky behaviour of the Police”, is under lined by the antics you see on the TV “Police Interceptors”; glorifying the Police for dealing with things that could easily have been dealt without heavy handed techniques. Of course the “Cop’s and Robbers” shows only the Police side of the story, and doubtless some of the stuff they deal with is justified. However a great deal of it isn’t. It is for the reasons you outlined that the Police are no longer respected in this Country and any credibility they had… Read more »
DMR
DMR

Chris R

Toll roads are almost always built with private money and alleviate the burden on the taxpayer. One has a choice whether to use them or not. They are also common overseas for the same reason.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Limit should be 100 on motorways , 80 on dual carriageways and 60 through towns

Billythemuddle
Billythemuddle

Sometimes it’s essential to break the speed limit to overtake a slow moving vehicle?

Simon Rook
Simon Rook

No, you overtake when safe or not at all, there is no essential in there! I hope you can see how badly that reflects on your driving ability!

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

Oh, dear!!

Patricia Hewitt
Patricia Hewitt

Money collected does not reflect on Road repairs , in the 50/60/70. we got regular road repairs ie re-surfacing etc but not now so who is getting all that money, Councils/Government totally unfair to todays road user,.

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

There is no connection between speeding fines and road repairs except in the minds of motorists who think there’s should be.

Bongo Bill
Bongo Bill

Nothing but a cash cow. Hell, you’ll even get prosecuted for mounting the kerb to make room for an ambulance with blues & two’s. So much much for the reason of saving lives.

Doing the speed limit whilst overtaking in the outside lane and taking a couple of minutes to accomplish can see you being abused by the police with sirens behind you. They seem to think you should move out of the way immediately. Do they not even teach the highway code to the police these days?

Funny how common sense flies out the window when it suits.

Bongo Bill
Bongo Bill
See rule 219. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-users-requiring-extra-care-204-to-225 The point I’m making is when sat at traffic lights you may not necessarily be able to maneuver out of the way safely for some time, potentially making the destination call for the ambulance becoming a fatality. I’m not talking mounting the kerb if there are pedestrians, only if clear and safe to do so. Common sense. The highway code says that you should only make way/pull over for the police when safe to do so. A vehicle to the left means I cannot pull over immediately, braking or slowing down to pull in behind that… Read more »
D.Nelson-Wills
D.Nelson-Wills
Way back in the early 1980s, I heard of a driver driving through the Penines at 30 mph up a steep hill; the Police were using a hand-held speed-camera and “clocked” him doing 500mph! The camera then blew up…! Just as they were about to pull the driver over, a Harrier flew past. The Police sent the MOD a bill for £1000 to cover the cost of the speed camera. A few days later, the MOD replied that they were not going to pay; they added that it was just as well that the Harrier was unarmed, because if it… Read more »
Simon Rook
Simon Rook

Which was a myth as you can fact check.

Jame
Jame
Please clarify your statement in item 3 “For police to use mobile cameras, there needs to be a sign up to alert motorists that they are present.” At regular periods there is one of these vans with a camera parked on a straight stretch of road which I believe accident free. I have never noticed a sign informing of their presence apart from on the van itself. Should this sign be remote from the van as we see on the side of the road. Next time they are parked I will take the time to see if there is a… Read more »
Ian Whittles
Ian Whittles

There will probably be signs on the roadside Jame saying enforcement cameras or something similar somewhere not where the van is parked

Simon Rook
Simon Rook
PETER MAYHEW
PETER MAYHEW
In several areas the camera is there just to earn money. On the A34 Dual Carriageway (limited to 50 or less MPH most of the way) from Stafford to Stoke on Trent there are many fixed or mobile cameras and there is one at Yarlet which can be used to cover either side of the dual carriageway. Use in the Stafford direction is uphill and is presumably to protect the pupils at Yarlet school (it’s drive leads out onto the carriageway), which I would have thought would be it’s main purpose yet I have never seen the camera set up… Read more »
Dave Harris
Dave Harris

Please go online and research the reason for the camera. You might find it enlightening to learn the truth rather than conjecture.

Edward
Edward

Question?
When I compare the reading on my Speedo and the Satnav, I see a difference of between 3 to 5 mph depending on the speed I’m doing.
The Satnav always showing the lower speed.
Reading all the comments, specifically Paul’s who seems to be in the know. Is the 10% rule applied to the actual real-time speed your doing it to the 5 to 10% inaccuracy that most Speedos tend to have?
Ed

Dennis Wood
Dennis Wood

According to my satnav my speedo is 4mph fast over a wide range. At 70 on the satnav the speedo reads 75. I asked a police driver which was accurate and the reply was “the satnav, but we advise you to drive to your speedometer”

PAUL TDI
PAUL TDI
A long time ago I was, apparently, clocked at 132 and then a few days later in the same road at 129 mph. It had to go to court since I was being threatened with going to prison. I drove to the courthouse and parked my car on the pavement at the bottom of the entrance steps and went in to the court. I told the court, and I was extremely angry, that the main concern in the case was the fact that I was claiming £500 compensation for the inconvenience, costs and hassle of the stupid case. I stated… Read more »
Peter Penfold
Peter Penfold

I find ( no pun intended!) It sad that in this article there is nothing said about keeping to the speed limit in the first place. If drivers do that they won’t get fined, they don’t need detectors and they will make the road safer for everyone.

george
george

Try sticking to the speed limits 100% of the time,Totally impossible?

Ian Brameld
Ian Brameld

It is possible within the 10%+2 limits

Paul
Paul

Easy when I did my driving test for HVG you had to keep within -5 + 0 km/h of the speed limit except when you could not reach that speed due to congestion and dynamically calculate the HVG speed limit as the road signs only applied to vehicles under 3.5 tons.

DMR
DMR
What if it’s safer to exceed the speed limit than to maintain it. I will give one example as a case in point, although there are many. Whilst driving along a B road with a 6 MPH limit, you encounter a driver in front doing, say, 56 MPH. The Highway Code advises us to drive to the speed limit when it is safe to do so. Therefore when a safe overtaking opportunity arises, one is obligated to pass the car in front and maintain ones journey as the highway code advises. Being that whilst overtaking one is on the offside… Read more »
Paul
Paul

Clearly you are not a competent driver George. Please hand you licence in at the nearest cop shop

george
george

Just handed it in from the advise you just gave me LOL

Ian Brameld
Ian Brameld

I agree. It is still possible to get caught out though by limit changes that are hidden from view by trees over a short stretch of road. My last RoSPA test, I spotted an obscured 30 limit sign. LUCKY. The examiner said his daughter had recently been caught and fined at the same spot.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

That’s no fun is it, I sometimes hit 90 or 100 mph on a nice straight B road in my 500 SL

Daniel
Daniel

You are missing the point completely.

Dave
Dave

Nice one Einstein , you are an absolute genius .
Good point

J Griffin
J Griffin

What I want to know is how on earth the people who are the regular consistent offenders seem to constantly manage to skip the fines, and those who manage a one off very minor misdemeanour seem to get caught. I see them screaming past me on the road all the time. Surely there must be a way of catching the REAL offenders.

Walt
Walt

I live near a small village that has a school in the middle of it.The speed limit as you enter the village is 20mph,I can not argue with that.But the speed limit is in force 7 days a week 24 hours a day,bank holidays and when it is obvious the school is not in use. Surely this is stupid.I notice when I have driven in Germany when there is a speed limit near schools.a sign tells you the days and time the speed limit is in force.Why can not be the same here?

Ron
Ron

This may not be a popular view, but if kids near schools or elsewhere cannot be trusted to cross the roads by themselves, then they should ALWAYS be under the supervision of a responsible adult.
Schools also have a prime duty to ensure that they frequently educate all pupils in the dangers of the traffic on the roads and always to cross at a controlled crossing.
Imagine trying to cross a river or railway line at any random point that you chose?
Please give roads the same respect.

Geoff
Geoff

For me it is unintended speeding which is the problem. I mostly use cruise control. But on strange (to me) roads it’s missing signs which is the worry.

DMR
DMR
Geoff, missing road signs (and to be fair, most of us cite that as an excuse for just not seeing them) worn road markings, foliage obscured signs, or those at busy intersections. There are innumerable reasons for missing them, we shouldn’t, e.g. we should all be aware of the lamp post rule for 30 MPH limits, but how many are aware of that, and the innumerable regulations within the volumes of the Road Traffic Act? It is frequently cited that ignorance is no excuse, yet it takes lawyers and barristers to pass judgement on often minor road traffic transgressions. Less… Read more »
Chris R
Chris R
And indeed many of our roads are not only badly sign posted, but the actual road names obscured so that you can’t see the name of the road until you effectively passed the junction. So, another trip around the one way system, adding to the pollution issue. Something which our Government are always on about. Oh, don’t forget about the car parking which has magically become metered and paid car parks only, usually charging obscene amounts of money for the privilege. (Thank you NCP for stating that one), closely followed by the local Government who see it as a “nice… Read more »
DMR
DMR
Chris R Don’t get me started on 1984! We will be spending £300Bn on useless climate mitigation ‘initiatives’ by 2050 (not including the newly imposed Electric Vehicle Diktat from our socialist government). Look me up on WUWT (Google will find that for you) HotScot and have your eyes opened. But back to your comments. It is enlightening that local authorities charge for parking, or allow their parking areas to be leased by predatory parking companies, whilst commercial operations like Bluewater and Thurrock (both local to me) allow unlimited free parking on their sites. We pay for the local authority, pay… Read more »
keith
keith

Why not use road tax to fix the roads?

What % of it goes to the roads and where does the rest go?

Ron
Ron
That’s an easy one to answer: the government collects £50,000,000,000 in motoring taxes and spends only approx. £4,000,000,000 in road services, the balance going to the NHS, schools, pointless wars/foreign aid abroad and of course their inflated salaries. If they were honest (ha, ha, HA!) they would either tax us to the level that they spend on us, or use all thet they collect od roads and other motoring services. So, how would they make up the shortfall? Raise the monies from general taxation in a clear and transparent way and not sneakily as is the case at present. I… Read more »
Adam
Adam

If your car is fitted with cruise control then use it! There will then be no need to take your eyes off the road in average speed check areas…

Terry
Terry
The idea that speed cameras are there to make money may be arguable in this country, however as someone who drives a lot on the continent I know there are some that are there purely to trap the innocent motorist.For example along The Pontina (a road from Rome to Latina in Italy) there is a 90kph limit along most of the road except for an approximately 10 meter stretch (near Pomezia) where it drops to 50kph for absolutely no reason at all, and yes that very short stretch has a camera!!! At least in the UK they don’t do that.… Read more »
Glenn
Glenn

What’s the worry? Within 10 years all vehicles will be automated and computer controlled. No speed camera’s/controls required. No speed related accidents and only a touch screen to enter details of journey required and to display the adverts which will be essential to pay for the technology. (Check out Google’s automated experiments).
Plus the authorities will have completed information on all citizen’s movements. Only question left is how long will be the delays required to instal the necessary road up

Tom P
Tom P

Can’t wait, will be ace for cycling.

malc
malc

This discussion seems to have much more ego than ability or common sense.

Steve
Steve

The “DRIVESMART PRO” that you are endorsing has a range of 600 metres. However in section three of your article “Five surprising speeding facts” you say that Radar detection vans have a range up to two miles.
I need convincing that this would be a wise purchase.

D. Williams
D. Williams
For 18 days our road was being resurfaced and speed limit was 20mph. Not one vehicle travelled at less than 40mph. [Normally, a 60mph road]. Yet on a Sunday morning [1030am], a 2-way straight road, with a 40mph limit, between a village and a small market town [Stokesley, N. Yorks], was monitored by police mobile speed camera van. All they would catch were those going to church or to buy a newspaper. How makes these stupid decisions? Obviously, those interested in punishing the relatively innocent, whilst one mile away speeding was out of control on our road. Motor cyclists regularly… Read more »
Simon Rook
Simon Rook

The local Police decide where to place cameras, in addition temporary limits for resurfacing are often (not always, but probably 85+% of the time) not enforceable so a camera would be pointless.

Adam
Adam

The simplest way to not get caught is not to break the speed limit!!

michel
michel

We should all be out wrecking the government’s cash machines, instead of worrying about being charged £100 for daring to travel at 71 mph.

Simon Rook
Simon Rook

Depends where you are doing 71, on a motorway no Police force currently takes any action for less than 79mph.

Tony
Tony
Living on the east coast and an hour from the nearest motorway, it is easy for us, on the odd occasion when we use a motorway, to forget about speed cameras, as our roads are so bad, we have difficulty reaching the speed limits in our area. I do find that on the odd occasion we use a motorway, traffic moves at a rediculous speed. Usually in excess of the speed limit. I can see the need, but, as a pensioner, 175% of my weekly income would cripple us and we would be unable to buy food and pay bills.… Read more »
Sue Kincaid
Sue Kincaid

Radar detection vans…… “there needs to be a sign up to alert motorists that they are prsent”. I’m in the West Mids – and they certainly DON’T have any sign up!
I’d appreciate the statute on that , if available,, please?

Rookie
Rookie

There is no statute, it was a Myth created by a Tony Blair (BLiar) promise that people believed, its never been a legal requirement.

Elizabeth Wills
Elizabeth Wills

Is there somewhere that gives guidelines about driving in these average speed camera zones. I find that I am tailgated by lorries if I do 49 in a 50

guy
guy

They are probably going by the speed on their gps which more accurate than the speedo. Your 49 is probably only 45

DMR
DMR
If you are being tailgated by lorries, you are probably going too slowly, not just 49 MPH. What you need to consider is the nature of the traffic within the zone. If traffic slows down in the zone, it allows you to drive slightly faster over the next stretch between cameras. It’s not right, but lorry drivers know this so they will try to force the pace. In my experience, and I’m not suggesting you should do this, but I set my cruise control to 57 MPH (in a 50 MPH controlled average speed camera restriction) which is 50 MPH+10%+2… Read more »
s granger
s granger
No speed cameras in my area of Birmingham, they drive their Tandoori tractors dangerously at way above the speed limit with a mobile glued to the ear, but not a police officer in sight, as they are short of manpower and have got rid of most of the things that catch them. We do have an occasional speed trap van at the top of a local hill, and that has caught so many over the past 12 months, it is listed as one of the most fruitful in the country, but they have learned it is there, so the police… Read more »
Diane
Diane

Just drive according to the conditions and the speed limit . Don’t tailgate people that do that – it’s also illegal!

Norman
Norman
I’m sure if your relative or someone you know was injured or killed by a speeding driver the negative views on speed cameras would be different. The amount of drivers that see a straight road and put their foot down even in built up roads. I live on a street where it’s straight and the amount of idiots that speed even though it’s only a couple 100 yards. You only need for something to go wrong like the brakes fail or a child to run out in front of them and people can be killed. If your only a little… Read more »
Peter
Peter

We all need to stick together as motorists and complain to the government that we want our speed limits reinstated. Reducing speed limits then installing camera’s is a money making scheme. Where are all the accidents caught on camera by so called speeding motorists? There are none. This is overwhelming evidence that the speed limits on our roads are now to low. We need to stop being treated with contempt and a cash cow for the government.

GPC
GPC

I drive the M1 most weeks through the “managed motorway” sections – with what I assume are the new HADECS cameras – two yellow boxes on the gantry at the side of the road – one has a flash. If they are on all of the time, I should have lost my licence months ago. Interested to hear from Paul on this one

David
David

When did the new way of paying extortionate fines come into force?this is the first I’ve heard of it.

Rookie
Rookie

Sentencing for the highest level speeders (51+ in a 30 and 101+ in a 70 for example) increased in April this year, however its largely academic as most people on an average salary will run into the maximum values anyway.

mandy
mandy

I try to drive within the limit, but constantly checking my speed is taking my attention off the road conditions. I am not sure what the solution is. Any HELPFUL suggestions?

Martin
Martin

We get pop up speed cameras (camera mounted on a tripod) with no warning signs. They are not sited at accident hot spots either. They are sited using data from community speed watch volunteers. You get no warning and they could be on any street at any time.

Dave Cue
Dave Cue

There are reasons for ALL laws. Road Traffic Incidents happen all the time. They are not caused by bad road conditions or bad weather. They are caused by those idiot drivers who think the law does not apply to them.
The Highway Code is to help you drive for EVERYONE’S safety. Despite that people ignore no right turn signs, they don’the indicate at roundabouts or traffic lights.
I try to take pride in my driving.
Speed camera warning equipment condone people who break the law.

Ron
Ron

Dave, you have wandered off topic into the Highway Code – which has no status in law, it’s an advisory document.
Back to the real point; if safety were the genuine issue, police and politicians would not object to detection devices that warn of hidden traps because motorists would slow down on receiving such warnings – surely what the police CLAIM to want, denying any revenue-collection element.
Similarly, if another motorist indicates a trap ahead (by flashing headlights, for example)he will be in the frame for obstructing the police, whereas he is in fact AIDING the police by securing slower traffic.

golfr
golfr
Traffic and policing needs an overhaul (like most of our laws) by reviewing what works overseas. It’s perfectly safe to speed when conditions allow, and dangerous to drive anywhere near 30 down a narrow street lined with parked cars. In some circumstances it’s just as dangerous to drive at 30 below the limit as it is to be 30 over it. The average speed cameras are dangerous. Especially long sections. I travelled to the north east from the south west recently. The 3.5hr journey I planned took nearly 8 hrs due to continual road works. Nobody was actually working at… Read more »
Paul
Paul

So they don’t want us to speed, why not make speed limiters compulsory on cars so you can’t accidentally do 31 in a 30 limit.

It would make driving less stressful.

Oh I know there is no money in that.

Maboza Ritchie
Maboza Ritchie

Paul you are a dipstick but not as useful

DMR
DMR
I’m not sure if many are aware of the latest government initiative to reduce city traffic pollution. Central government is going to pay local authorities to remove road humps (sleeping policemen) because they cause drivers to slow and accelerate thereby increasing emissions. Now whilst I welcome the removal of these destructive devices (I had to have 4 serviceable tyres changed because the inside shoulders were worn beyond legal limits whilst the rest of the tyre had at least 3mm) our government now prioritises emission control over child road safety. To the credit of our local authority, the single speed hump… Read more »
Sue Kincaid
Sue Kincaid

Ditto – I only get 9-10K miles out of mine these days – used to be double that! Wouldn’t mind so much if they were even “smooth” gradient humps!

RaY MOTT
RaY MOTT

Speed limits only exist because of at some point someone decided to drive like an idiot and kill somebody – the same reason the drink drive laws exist – some fool decided to drive when they were paraletic and killed somebody. Unfortunately because there are some who find it impossible to employ common sense everyone else loses out. All experienced drivers know that you should drive at appropriate speed to the conditions – how many accidents are caused by a wally doing 70 in thick fog?

DMR
DMR

RaY MOTT

Ah! My enduring beef.

We are now a society subversive to minority pressure groups rather than the democracy we are supposed to be.

Keith
Keith

For radar vans you say the police have to put up a sign to alert motorists that they are present. Is a police sign needed or is a permanent fixed sign sufficient. At Detling near Maidstone a van often parks just over 100yds from the brow of the hill on the A249. There are fixed signs warning of speed cameras, the only one along that section being at the bottom of the hill. There are never any police signs warning of camera vans.

Simon Rook
Simon Rook

Its a made up (untrue) fact, just like Fact 4 https://www.askthe.police.uk/Content/Q642.htm

DMR
DMR
Keith, All mobile camera activity is made available online to the date and times of their siting. It is, of course, entirely impractical, and dangerous, for a driver on a long journey to plan his route, consult the various local authority sites along that route, plot the location of mobile cameras, then ensure he/she is driving at the precise speed required, at the precise moment they encounter a camera, without referring to a notebook whilst driving. Most Sat Nav’s have the sites plotted, however, it is too big a task to update every site, from every local authority, for every… Read more »
C.Elliott
C.Elliott
I was not aware of the increased fines, but knew about everything else. It amuses me to see people hurtling through the managed bit of the M5 at Bristol when the variable limit lights are off. I have always known that to go through that at more than 70 is asking for trouble. I think some speed limits should be altered to make them easier to follow. Outside my village one way, it’s 60, then 30 through the village (which nobody ever does, making crossing the road very dangerous), then fluctuates between 50and 40 for the next 10 miles or… Read more »
Adam
Adam

they calculate fine from income – it should be calculated from NETT income (after taxes) not gross (before taxes) – now, if you end in 40% tax you pay much higher fine in proportion to your take-home wage (and 40k is not much when just one works because wife/husband is unable to work for various reasons).

Simon Rook
Simon Rook

It is, its based on ‘Relevant weekly income’ which is after Tax and NI.

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips
Does get me angry when people say don’t speed and you won’t get a ticket. Whilst that may be true, the issue is far more complex than that. For example, all fixed cameras are supposed to be painted yellow to warn drivers of their presence and slow them down , so why are there no advanced warnings of mobile ‘ambush’ cameras which do nothing to deter speeding. All these cameras do is nick people if they drift over the limit. Hadecs, as I understand, is not yellow either. Going faster than the speed limit is NOT unsafe, otherwise the Police… Read more »
Neil
Neil

Cameras in Northamptonshire are painted blue and face towards you, so your nicked before you see it!

guy
guy

If there is a justifiable reason for me doing more than the speed then I would want to use my dashcam footage as evidence.

Brian
Brian

North Wales police are (or were) bad for mobile cameras. I believe that the law states that a mobile camera can be placed ‘anywhere along’ a road which has a listed blackspot, so rather than parking their vans near the blackspots, NW police park them a few miles up the road just where the speed limit drops from 60 to 30 as they will get far more ‘hits’ as people who are slowing down for the 30 don’t do it quick enough!

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

The camera placement guidelines are far more complicated than that.

Brian
Brian

I can’t work out how the Highways Agency justify miles upon miles of specs cameras on motorways by claiming them to be for safety as opposed to revenue collection. What about the poor blokes who work in roadworks without specs, or the people we see picking up litter or cutting the verges – do they not qualify for safety precautions? Oh no – it seems a bright yellow flatbed with flashing lights is enough to keep them safe!!

Captain Scarlet
Captain Scarlet
I have been reading these comments and as a professional driver I have to say that most have some constructive basis to them. My comments are fairly simple. 1. cameras do not prevent accidents neither do they cause all drivers to slow down. I have recently witnessed this on the M6 and previously on various motorways (this is a plague which I would assume to be Nation-wide and not race specific). I also noticed a driver who crossed all lanes on the A500 as he/she approach and made use of the off ramp. 2. prevention of accidents is impossible. 3.… Read more »
A35
A35
Some ridiculous comments on here. People have some very funny misconceptions about deaths, speed, the state of the roads, money government etc Road traffic deaths have halved since 2000. Mainly due to increase in car electronic systems, materials and tyre technology/increase in width. The latter perhaps being a major force ignored. If you go back to the 1990’s you had a typical saloon with 165/175/185 widths with a tyre compound from the dark ages. Now even an Astra diesel has 215’s on with modern compounds, ABS, etc etc. Roads in the UK are bad, but very few people are killed… Read more »
Ian
Ian

Speed limits are there for a reason. If you exceed them your breaking the law .
You wouldn’t be happy if someone broke into your house and robbed you.
So why should you think breaking these laws would be OK
I think the motorway speed limit is too low , set as I understand it because a Jaguar E type did 150 mph on the M1 and modern cars are way better.
BUT the same the rules , don’t complain if you break them .

A35
A35

What reason? Scientifically what is a safe speed? The speed limits are all very rounded, 70, 60, 50, 40, 30, 20.

If it was down to science then it should be 68.12, 31.121 etc . No, some bloke came up with those donkeys years back. So what is the reason for those specific values considering we live in 2017 and the person putting those figures is now long dead?

Frankinsensed
Frankinsensed

Just one more form of Government extortion

Simon Rook
Simon Rook

Your point 4 is just made up claptrap, seriously who did you consult that came up with that complete twaddle?

Steve
Steve

Kent is now zero tolerance, so no 10%+2 which was based on old technolo9gy and primarily hand held cameras that had a degree on inaccuracy. New cameras are highly accurate so don’t rely on 10%+2, it’s not a legal defence (33 in a 30 zone, and a speed awareness training course, so I know firsthand!)

Beverley
Beverley

Some newer traffic lights change incredibly quickly. If you’re approaching one in a 40 zone & it changes when you’re very shortly before it, then surely it is safer to go through it a second after it has changed to red than slam the brakes on. Excessive speeding in smaller built up areas (20 zones) is unfortunately largely ignored where I live & ought to be monitored more. We recently had a road re-surfaced with the same ineffective speed bumps re-installed.

Simon Rook
Simon Rook

The amber light must be illuminated for 3s (=/-0.25s) by law, that is enough warning to stop from 60mph in the highway code stopping distance.

Ron
Ron

Dave, we already pay a gargantuan amount in motoring taxes of all sorts and get very little back for it, so don’t offer them an excuse to tax us more!
Very few even -pretend to be in the name of safety – they don’t even bother to pretend any more as their credibility is blown…..

mark
mark

if mobile speed cameras are positioned at accident black spots for safety but only work on streight sections of road and not bends where almost all accidents happen. this is a contradiction, i have passed many that dont comply with the law by placing a sign stating the presents of one. and i think it should state revenue collection in opperation.

rodot
rodot
HGV’s used to be regulated to 40mph on a single carriageway with an above that speed signage for other road users, 50 on a dual carriageway and 56 on a motorway. In April 2015, they changed to 50 on a single carriageway and 60 on a dual carriageway with motorways not changing, but all HGV in this country are governed to 56 MPH in anycase. That’s because of new brake technology. Incidentally, has anyone else noticed that everyone wants to do ten miles/hour over the speed limit of the road that they are on. 40 on a 30 50 on… Read more »
Rick
Rick

It was, and still is 60Mph on a motorway for HGV’s. Most speed limiters are calibrated for around 56 though.

Davd
Davd

Roll out driverless cars use technology to confuse technology and beat the tax man

mandy
mandy

Fines “based on up to 175% of your weekly income” How do they know the weekly income. Many of us have variable weekly income.
If limited to excessive speeds it will presumably apply to few drivers.

Simon Rook
Simon Rook

The courts have a form for you to fill in, refusing to fill it in or deliberately falsifying it is a separate criminal offence, if you have a variable income you average it.

Jon
Jon

Cameras should all be hidden. That would stop people overtaking then slamming on the brakes as they see a camera, because they have no idea what the limit is!!

Graeme
Graeme

surely the best way to stay one step ahead of speed cameras is not to speed in the first place.

Karl Cheshire
Karl Cheshire
Having read some of the comments below I find it amusing how quickly things go “off topic”. Speed cameras we designed to make our roads safer and I agree with the sentiment, however, when the cost of driving is going up and up and you have speeding fines as well it is the poor motorists who suffer. Could you imagine the entire non commercial motorists suddenly stopped driving for one year, and see how the government reacts. The money they would lose is phenomenal and hopefully make them see some sense (but I doubt it). So to clarify, speed cameras… Read more »
Ron
Ron

Karl, there was a council somewhere up north a few years back who bought several Greed Cameras as an investment, budgeting for an expected profit in the first year, only to be in the red in the first financial year because nearly all motorists did what the council claimed that it wanted and drove at the posted dpeed limit or lower!
The council had to find funds from elsewhere to blance thier books and I believe they sold off most of the Greed Cameras to other councils!

bishbut
bishbut

When is anybody going to enforce the 20 mph speed limits brought in at great expense in most town’s and cities Has anyone been taken to court for going at over 20 mph ? More wasted money .!

DMR
DMR

bishbut

Most 20 MPH limits are unenforceable. Local Authorities put up speed limit signs that are not legal to give the impression the area is a 20 MPH limit, when it’s not. They enforce them with illuminated signs and a smiley face, which are also not legal.

Chris R
Chris R
There is speeding, and then their is driving at unsuitable speeds. For example the limit on a Motorway is 70 MPH; however you would not do that on sheet ice ! That is an unsuitable speed. Driving at 30MPH on a motorway in fine weather is just as dangerous as a car doing 80MPH. It is usually the slow driver who does not drive to the speed of the road, who CAUSES the accident.That speed is not suitable either. Mr/Ms not involved, but says “…well that is what speeding does to you”, as they witness a head on crash. As… Read more »
Eddie
Eddie

Just a quick one, on statement 4 it states that if you are photo snapped by a member of the public then you can sue the police as only a police officer or Highways England can Legally folfill this role, so why can’t we do so for statement 3 the radar van as they are members of the public not police officers ???

Simon Rook
Simon Rook

Ignore it, its a made up (untrue) fact, complete hogwash. Legally a speed camera operator is merely a witness to a crime, they have to satisfy the court they are a reliable witness, just like a witness in any other case, very few witnesses are trained to be a witness!

DMR
DMR

Eddie

I believe the mobile camera crews are trained and authorised by the Highways Department. I could be wrong, but it would seem silly if they weren’t as it would be a very expensive exercise once they were rumbled.

Dave Harris
Dave Harris

Mobile camera crews are not trained etc by The Highways Agency

Trucker Jim
Trucker Jim
Did you know cameras can detect the size/length of vehicles and cars that pass the camera are allowed 5 or 6% above the limit while trucks or cars/vans towing trailers its only 2 or 3%. I speak from experience this all came out in court when I was booked by a camera for exceeding the 30 mph limit when I was only travelling at 4mph in a queue of traffic. The police blamed it on a human error by the staff employed to scan the photos. No reason was given as to why the camera took the photo and this… Read more »
zygmunt
zygmunt

If the technology is up to “driver-less” cars, then it surely is up to automatic control of just speed. There is therefore no need for speed cameras at all as they can be replaced by automatic “speed control zones” acting on the auto throttle/brake system. This would also improve the throughput of traffic on the ever diminishing road space per vehicle. Speed limits would not need to be signed and could be auto adjusted, dependent upon time of day, vehicle density, weather, and any other multitude of parameters available to the controlware.

Steve
Steve
When they finally roll out, computer-controlled cars will only travel at GPS-controlled legal speed limits, ie, ‘computer says “No” to 33mph in 30 limit (or 25mph in suburban 20mph zone). No manufacturer will leave themselves open to fines for their vehicles breaking the law. This technology (and it is available and cheap) will allow real-time speed monitoring depending on motorway conditions (congested or not) and perhaps allow higher speeds. When congested, lower speeds could be enforced by the push of Big Brother’s button. Equally, short stretches of road near schools, preschools and care homes could be set to 10 mph… Read more »
4caster
4caster

What a miserable future for road travellers! Will a driverless car seek a safe opportunity to overtake the juggernaut chugging up a hill in front of it? Or will we always have to move at the speed of the slowest? Will it swerve around potholes, or are we in for a bumpy ride?

Road busy
Road busy

…….but then it all comes down to Big brother cashing-in on us!

Road busy
Road busy

If you are one of the many of us who have become lazy and use sat navs instead of map reading and/or looking up a route on a PC prior to travel, then consider your sat nav may have a ‘speed warning’ or ‘camera warning’ sound on it’s device, a useful option.

William Thomas
William Thomas

Interesting about the public buying a camera not being legally recognised. In my area there are villages supplied and trained by the police to use their hand cameras.

Simon Rook
Simon Rook

Indeed, that’s another made up fact in these ‘facts’ alongside signage and suing the Police. No common sense involved in that if the public did by a speed measuring device what would/could they do with the information, the answer of course is nothing!

Andrew
Andrew

A lot of people have made good suggestions above – is there any membership organisation that campaigns for improvements on behalf of motorists? The AA just seems to exist to sell us various services. Perhaps we should start some petitions to get some of these ideas discussed in parliament?

Nick
Nick
Everyone saying that the law should be 10%+2 make me laugh out loud! Speed limits are just that…LIMITS! That doesn’t mean that you have to drive at that speed, it means you can’t EXCEED it! So, if you don’t want to get fined for breaking that LIMIT, why don’t you apply a -10%-2 to the limit and drive at that speed instead! I.e. 25 in a 30, 34 in a 40, 43 in a 50, etc. THAT is how you keep on the right side of the law! All this “always driving within the speed limit is impossible” nonsense is… Read more »
Steve Butler
Steve Butler

Every car I have owned for the past 10 has had Cruise fitted ( I’ve insisted on it when buying another car ) this way I set the cruise to the speed limit Hey presto no more speeding tickets Was Very useful a few years ago on M25 Godstone to Brands Hatch when speed limit in the road works were less than the motorway

Gen
Gen

They used to be illegal on the Continent. I thought they were illegal here

Robert Bracegirdle
Robert Bracegirdle

I live next to Gawsworth Cross Roads where the limit is 40mph. It’s on a bend and impossible to get out if anyone is doing 40 or more. Can’t get it reduced as there haven’t been enough fatalities. Slow down!

Dave
Dave

Very quick response
Please slow down with your reposts .

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