London Mayor Calls for Diesel Scrappage Scheme

By Ben Taylor
News entry dated 15th Feb 2017

London Mayor Sadiq Khan has suggested that the UK government introduce a diesel scrappage scheme in a bid to encourage drivers to give up polluting diesel vehicles for more environmentally-friendly alternatives.

It’s a possible move that’s been being discussed for some time, since it became clear that the UK was falling well short of meeting emissions targets. In London specifically, pollution has been at extremely high levels at various points this year, leading the authorities to go as far as advising citizens to avoid strenuous outdoor activity on certain days, especially if they suffer from breathing-related health issues.

According to a report in The Evening Standard, the proposed scrappage scheme would pay out up to £3,500 for each scrapped vehicle, at a total cost to the government of up to £500 Million. The headline figure would apply to van drivers, with up to £2000 offered to “low-income families” with vehicles that meet the (as yet precisely defined) criteria.

Car scrappage

It’s important to note that, at this stage, this is merely a proposal for the government and not yet something under formal review. However, as soon as it became clear in recent months that extra taxes for diesel drivers (and perhaps even diesel bans in cities) were potentially on the cards, it was almost inevitable that such a suggestion would rise to the surface.

How will drivers react?

At PetrolPrices.com, we know for a fact that this proposal will be highly controversial. Past reports relating to the future of diesels and their drivers have resulted in huge numbers of member comments.

The reason this subject is so emotive is that previous governments actively encouraged people to choose a diesel vehicle. There were even tax breaks in place to act as incentives. The fact that the prevalent scientific research at the time has now been proved wrong provides little consolation to those who only did as they were advised.

On the face of it, it seems highly unlikely that this proposal would appease everyone, even if it were to become law. While some people with particularly old vehicles would be able to “cash in” and buy something slightly better, for many £2000 would be nothing more than a token gesture, after buying a far more expensive car that they would feel penalised for driving in the event of future tax increases.

How do you feel about this proposal? Let us know your views in the comments

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Mim Brown
Mim Brown

If London air is so awful and supposedly 50% of the problem is diesel emissions, what makes up the other 50% of pollutants? Maybe something to do with the airports and what has just been agreed but another runway at Heathrow? All seems a little one sided to me.

Don Wright
Don Wright

If the Diesel engines are so bad for everyone, why is it that every week there are thousands of brand new Diesel engine vehicles being imported each week. As I personally work casual in one of our docks I know this to be true, I actually drive them off the ships. As previously stated, they encouraged us to have diesels therefore they should replace them like for like if they want them gone.

Ian Manning
Ian Manning
When Ron. Martin (earlier) accepts the nonsense pedalled by Chris Grayling on behalf of HMG that it would be a good idea to discourage or even ban the future sale of new diesel cars, he is, like HMG, talking poppycock. By definition, any new diesel has to meet the latest Euro 6 standards which means these new cars emit virtually no NOX at all!! So, this would not reduce the amount of NOX pollution by diesel engines by one jot. This fact is symptomatic of the idiocy and misinformation surrounding this whole debate. Many commentators here have hit on the… Read more »
Terry Hudson
Terry Hudson

If you do not want to be forced into a petrol car that on average will use about 30% more fuel, please sign this
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/182686

Also remember with the new CO2 rated VED rates, owning a diesel will cost less in road tax!

Joel Brayford
Joel Brayford

The audacity of Khan! its was his beloved Labour government that pushed many of us onto diesel cars as they deemed them clean.

if he now wants to penalise motorists for following his own parties policy i think its time us diesel motorists penalise the labour party for their actions.

i can see court action against labour in the near future!

Ronald Lee
Ronald Lee
I can suggest a possible mitigation for this problem but it cuts across a taboo area so will not be popular. I passed my driving test fifty years ago and have driven thousands of miles in the UK and many other countries across the world. I live in London and nowadays do not drive in London centre more than once a year. The one thing that strikes me about these excursions is the utterly lawless nature of cycle use, worse than in any other city. You might say bikes good – leg power only. But they do slow down the… Read more »
Paul Anderson
Paul Anderson
This can only be done organically. You cannot just outlaw a certain group of vehicles and drivers. What the authorities keep very quiet about is that Euro 6 compliant diesel vehicles emit no oxides of nitrogen whatsoever. If I am forced to pay £15 a day to use my Euro 5 car in London, that’s £300 per month I can’t use to lease or buy a Euro 6 car. Additionally, in London speeds are low and thus engine combustion temperatures are low. NoX is byproduct of high temperature combustion. We can overcome the combustion temperatures by over-fuelling the engine. Which… Read more »
Dennis Ambler
Dennis Ambler
Very easy to blame diesls for higher pollution recordings, yet the enviro brigade do not mention the impact of the ridiculous so-called global warming policies to solve a non existent problem and then creating new ones. Wood burning fires are all the rage and are exempt from pollution controls because it is “bio-mass”, just like the thousands of tonnes of wood chips now imported from the US to run Drax power plant, earning them a huge fortune in “carbon credits”. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38746482 If everything was as toxic as they say, why are people not dropping in the streets? Claims about asthma… Read more »
Jason Walker
Jason Walker

Instead of scrapping vehicles that have taken a lot of time and resources to produce, as well as the carbon footprint involved in their manufacture, they should come up with a scheme where the vehicle manufacturers take them back and retrofit them with a petrol engine (or other suitable fuel option). After all, the chassis of a car is typically designed to accept any of the engines available across the range, so why waste perfectly good vehicle chassis that can be repurposed?

Paul Anderson
Paul Anderson

Retrofitting selective catalytic reduction equipment would reduce diesel NoX to zero in the case of both diesel and petrol vehicles.

Brian Flower
Brian Flower

I have a diesel VW passat estate.
If the government want me to scrap it for petrol I will do so happily, but they will have to provide sufficient cash to buy its equivalent petrol version, same year, same model, similar milage.

Pete allott
Pete allott

Why don’t they check their facts? Have you ever stood next to a bus? it’s horrendous they amount of fumes they throw out………. and how many diesel buses and taxis does London have? Maybe they should start by doing their own house keeping and use the emissions zone revenue to fund it.
It’s not rocket science. Leave the “hammered” car drivers alone for once..

Trevor Wainwright
Trevor Wainwright

My Peugeot 207 1600 diesel has exhaust filter and additive. You can wipe your finger around the inside of the exhaust and it with remain clean. How can petrol be any cleaner than that?

Paul Anderson
Paul Anderson

The false problem is NoX. Not soot. Read my entry above. Best, P.

Peter Littleton
Peter Littleton

Every day I see hundreds of black cab drivers sitting at Taxi Ranks outside King’s Cross and St. Pancras Stations with their Diesel engines chugging away. You can taste the fumes as you walk past these ranks. The mayor should begin by making an order that the drivers switch their engines OFF while waiting in Taxi Ranks.

Jeremy English
Jeremy English
I really think this is all yet another con trick. The fundamental distinction between a “Diesel Car” and “Diesel Fuel” is ignored. What do I mean? A “Diesel Car” is one powered by an engine built to the initial designs of Dr Rudolf Diesel in the late Victorian Age. “Diesel Fuel” can have many meanings but is generally understood to be a derivative product of the petro-chemical industry which is known to produce harmful emissions when used to power an engine. What is always forgotten is that Dr Diesel demonstrated his engine using vegetable oil, not the black sticky stuff.… Read more »
Graham Sitton
Graham Sitton

Clearly the easiest option is to add a prohibitive tax on new diesel vehicles to deter purchase of same. Next hike the vehicle excise tax. Why not explore the possibility of changing the engine & gearbox? Decrease the permitted emissions allowed. Once a vehicle fails enhanced mot test emissions, the vehicle is off the road. Is it practicable to fit a ‘filter’ within the exhaust system? Is there a style of ‘service’ that may be performed on diesels to clean them up?

walter rimmer
walter rimmer

Instead of giving diesel car owners £3500 to scrap their cars,why not give them the option to have a petrol engine fitted to their cars,surely the cost would be the same.

Dave Plunkett
Dave Plunkett
The U.K. Government are always finding ways to rip the motorist of for more money it’s time they Started looking at the main pollution culprits that they keep under there hats AIRCRAFTS they course most of the pollution to city’s I’d Heathrow airport London Manchester Airport Glasgow gateick etc the pollution these jet engines put out is harendos And now they want to add more run ways to Heathrow airport ware pollution levels already far Exceed safe levels the uk government need to look at aircraft pollution and also put tax and vat On aircraft fuel that has never happened… Read more »
darren anderton
darren anderton

In a similar vain Khan’s £10 London “T-Charge” will apply to petrol and diesel vehicles that don’t meet Euro 4 emission standards which is typically petrol and diesel cars registered before 2006 according to the article.

tony barry
tony barry
When you look back over a number of years successive governments have squandered our money on every conceivable venture with tax payers money. I have driven a diesel car since the seventies for economy and more important reliability and the life of the engine so if that aspect of the argument does not hold true for me \I usually change the vehicle within 4 to 5 yrs. I’m retired now and since 2012 I have had 2 Mercedes SE 220, the latest I only purchased last November and I had to put £10,000 plus my 3 year old Mercedes SE220.… Read more »
Manuel Lorenzo
Manuel Lorenzo

Live the diesel cars that are already in the road ,and stop building and selling new diesel cars

Dean Hendricks
Dean Hendricks

This jumped up little man needs to wind his neck in, or better still resign. He has no one’s best interests at heart but his own. Diesel manufacturers have been made to jump through hoop after hoop and all they can do is make any pollutants so small they can be ingested! Go back a few years and things where better without ‘Euro this-that-or the other’. The anti-car brigade rush to sign up to these causes not stopping to think for a moment how all their goods arrive from the warehouse.

jane jennings
jane jennings
What about all those of us who tow with our diesels? I drive a 2×4 6 year old 2litre. I tow a British built caravan, stay on British owned campsites – many on farms where we support the farmer desperately trying to maintain a decent income. We use local shops, tourist attractions and petrol stations. We have not found any petrol vehicle which would match our fuel consumption so perhaps we should sell both car and caravan and join the folks boarding fuel guzzling planes to spend our cash abroad. If ‘they’ are worried about pollution on the roads get… Read more »
kenneth fieldhouse
kenneth fieldhouse
It seems the London mayor is afflicted with the same mental affliction – that of being unable to use the thing inside the head [ normally referred to as a brain] Why scrap a perfectly good car with all the waste of material, cost of remanufacturing something else to replace it when the problem is simply THE ENGINE – so change it. If these captains of our land were to speak to the captains of our car manufacturing industry – specifically engine manufacturers – with a few different engine blocks, turbocharger settings and fuel specifications we could replace the diesel… Read more »
tony barry
tony barry

It won’t stop at just an engine change you will have fuel systems and due to the difference in torque of petrol and diesel engines you would have to change gear box ratios as well as the final drive differential. When you add up all those alterations you are closer to scrapping the car for a new model. What we should be doing is selling all our diesel cars to the under developed countries who take all out cast offs such as mobile phones, tv and other items we seem to discard without any thought.

Moira Howard
Moira Howard

Surely the manufacturers should have been encouraged to phase out diesel vehicles if this was a problem.

If diesel cars are going to be banned or penalised then drivers should be given a 3-5 year period to do so. You can’t just expect every diesel driver to fork out for a new car..

sean sewell
sean sewell

Nearly every lorry, delivery van, works van, post office, BT, the Royal parks vans, London taxis, are diesel [for fuel economy reasons], will they be scrapped? If they pass an MOT, which includes an emission test, they’re legal aren’t they? I don’t think they’ve thought this through, just another knee jerk reaction that’s likely to cost the tax payer or motorist or both millions, for some ones empire building ideas ?

Paul McEnhill
Paul McEnhill

The world’s biggest polluters by far are in the maritime industry, burning as they do, the roughest fuel available. Secondly the haulage and transport industries. The rail companies are still ordering diesel trains and all trucks are diesel engined.

A Bristow
A Bristow
I agree with Dennis West’s comments above. I too was encouraged to buy a diesel vehicle on the grounds of economy and less pollution all of which we were told also benefited the Country’s economy. Is this another stumble around in the dark? Like Mr West I was encouraged to pay in for a pension ( with money that was not ‘spare’ ). I paid for a certain amount and in the event they told me that due to market fluctuations and world economy ( would that be the top bankers going home with a million pounds per annum bonus… Read more »
Ian Humphreys
Ian Humphreys

If the current Government want to do a complete about turn and get rid of all diesel vehicles or even if they only focus on cars, then they should reimburse the current market value of the vehicle they want to be scrapped not some pitiful £3,500. Why should people, that bought a car for say £25,000 a couple of years ago which even now is worth £18,000 (say) accept £3,500 to scrap the vehicle. Does this Government think we are all idiots or what ? How many of the cars used by the Government officials use petrol I wonder ?

Jerry Fowler
Jerry Fowler
Since October, I’ve owned a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. No road tax for now, London Congestion Zone discount, but very few places to charge. Hats off to Greenwich, where Bugsby Way, Charlton shopping precinct boasts over 30 points. Fortunately, when I visit my daughter, her flat (half a mile away from Bugsby) has residents parking and free charge points. Ecotricity run the charge points on the motorways, and if they’re not your service provider, an 80% fast charge will cost £6 for half an hour. The 32 mile range quoted, is realistically about 25, so £6 for 20 miles isn’t economic… Read more »
Dennis West
Dennis West

50 years ago, if you told me that the Mayor of our capital city would be a left wing Pakistani Muslim I would have said ” Absolutely no way!” So what else do you expect? Past governments told me to save for my old age. I did and then the interest rates fell to almost zero…..they got that wrong too. As I am 75, I am not changing my BMW 318D Sport Touring for nobody, they can stick that idea where the sun don’t shine. I hate London anyway.

Jon Carter
Jon Carter
London Mayors don’t have a clue!! The fact that the public transport vehicles (Diesel Buses in particular), kick out most of the pollution in cities is the major issue!! The times I’m sat in my Volvo V60 D4 (Euro 6 – one of the least polluting diesels on the road), on the outskirts of cities and end up coughing due to the fumes coming out of the buses is ridiculous. Agreed, there are some very old diesel cars, vans and Land-Rovers kicking out a lot of pollution which MOT stations really should not pass on emissions……If these were for the… Read more »
Cloud Catcher
Cloud Catcher

Diesel Fuel and the DPF:
The EU demanded that ‘particulates’ be removed from diesel emissions, so the (very) expensive DPF was invented.
The EU then demanded that diesel fuel had to have 10% bio-fuel (veggie oil) added.
This increases the ‘particulates’ produced and blocks the DPF (and potentially damages the engine).
So the EU is directly responsible for increasing the pollution from diesel engines!

Gerard Pause
Gerard Pause
I have just ordered a new company car… what bothers me is that based on the government policies and advise some years back… the company car policy is that I can still ONLY buy a Diesel or a basic Hybrid…. CO2 is far less than my last car. So if I have no choice, how can you penalise me…. ? Diesel attracts 3% more BIK income tax too, again crap when you have no choice (apart from just riding a bike)… And because cars are getting much better CO2 emissions now, government loses tax revenue… so what do they do,… Read more »
brian homer
brian homer
I think it stinks and not just the air in London. I believe it’s easy for people in London to shout their months off and blame the rest of the country for their inner city pollution. Why should anybody pay for the government and the cheating car companies due to their over confidents in the dieasel engine and then for the petrol stations and government cashing in on it. This is very wrong and should bought to court to make the government and the car companies accountable, but it’s easy for them to blame people who bought them and even… Read more »
Paul Coleman
Paul Coleman
Once again someone makes a pronouncement from their lofty tower. Yes, diesel is an unacceptable pollutant – get that. But some of us are stuck with it for a while, so burdensome taxes and/or scrappage schemes must only be phased in very slowly, if at all. My van is a diesel on a lease-purchase scheme. The deal has three-and-a-half years left to run before I pay my balloon payment and do the usual juggling where they buy it off me and I buy it straight back. When that time arrives (after five years), it will only have done about 45,000… Read more »
Bob Cowell
Bob Cowell

I run a 2.5L petrol car that is not particularly fuel efficient so I pay quite a bit of tax through my petrol usage. My road fund licence is £295 on top of that. I suspect that, after the idea of a scrappage scheme has been rejected, taxes on diesels will be increased to match those on petrol engined cars “to discourage the use of diesel.”. The result! More tax income without increasing Income Tax! Am I a cynic?

Martyn Lazenby
Martyn Lazenby

What are the new RouteMaster buses in London running on ? Why didn’t the London Authority invest in vehicles that ran on LPG or Hybrids

Jonathan Schwemin
Jonathan Schwemin
This is the true reason for the proposed scrapage scam, a VAT-registered business can reclaim all or part of the VAT (Value Added Tax) when buying a pick-up truck outright. This is because most of them are classified as light commercial vehicles, originally intended as an incentive for farmers and builders. Always check with the dealer that the pick-up truck you want to buy qualifies for this. And bear in mind that if the car is for unrestricted private use, then there will be a “benefit in kind” liability. Known as BIK this is £600 per year for a 20%… Read more »
James Johnson
James Johnson
I drive a 10 year old Vauxhall Astra VXR that gets 23mpg around town and has co2 emissions of 221g/km, I recently drove a new Peugeot 308 1.6L diesel that got 50mpg (probably 60mpg with a more considerate driver) and co2 emissions of 84g/km… Is anyone seriously suggesting the diesel 308 is worse for the environment than my petrol Astra? I have no desire to swap, I love my car, but it’s clearly far worse for the environment than a modern diesel. Although, you could buy 10 diesels ready for the scrap heap today for £2000 or less total and… Read more »
Ian Manning
Ian Manning
The central point in this debate is that simply to increase tax on diesel and diesel vehicles will do precisely nothing in the short and even the medium term about high pollution levels in cities. It will merely penalise millions of diesel owners, the only vertain result of which will be to create hundreds of thousands of very disgruntled voters! To have any effect, the target should be buses (convert them to LPG?) and the older diesel commercial vehicles which should be forcibly scrapped with full compensation enabling a newer, cleaner vehicle to be bought in their place. Likewise, older… Read more »
John Shepherd
John Shepherd
If the proposed scrappage scheme is anything like the last was reported as being then the government surely cannot think that we are so stupid as to subscribe to another. Vehicles that were otherwise perfectly good and with many many more years of life left in them were allegedly being sold off and exported to other parts of the world that did not have a policy that involved the scrappage of vehicles nor an interest in the affects of diesel and petrol fumes upon the populations. It was also claimed that the manufacturers were taking a hit on the value… Read more »
K M
K M

Just a question as a van owner, many commercial vehicles don’t come in anything else but diesel – it would put thousands of companies out of business – that’s what they don’t think about, putting our country in a worse situation.!!

Thomas Shaw
Thomas Shaw

More people should ride motorbikes as I do. Get through the traffic, get through traffic jams, much more environmentally friendly. And more fun. Cars get you from A to B, bikes get you from A to B with a big smile on your face!

Paul Coleman
Paul Coleman

Good idea. I’ll tow my 700 litre water tank behind it! 🙂

JACK HARDY
JACK HARDY

Some bright Solicitor should be thinking of setting up a no win no fee case for a class action against the government for the money us diesel owners are losing with the devaluation of our vehicles in the last year since this scare started and future costs of fuel and parking rates for diesels.

Chris Wills
Chris Wills

And I will tow my caravan.

Paul Byron
Paul Byron

Completely agree with most of the comments so far regarding taxis, lorries, buses and planes. My car was stolen (2 litre diesel) recently and I needed a replacement in a hurry but decided to be more environmentally aware. The only suitable one was another diesel (did look for petrol) so now I have a 12 month old 1.6 and get at least a third more mpg and a £20 road tax (therefore cleaner). To be offered a few grand to scrap mine is nothing short of criminal.

Morris Hickey
Morris Hickey

The Mayor’s fundamental error is to generalise. My Meriva Ecoflex 1.6 dieseel produces 99gm/km which means the road tax is zero. So it most certainly is not high emission. His suggested £3.5k scrappage is just under half the trade-in value of the vehicle. Moreover money paid by the government for anything is only what they filch from our wallets by way of taxation.

Ron Martin
Ron Martin
Here we go again, more ‘experts’ saying all that has gone before is wrong. When will it stop? If HMG is conned into a diesel scrappage lots of us will be left with an asset whose value has been eroded by the drip, drip of negative speculation resulting in a peanuts value that will not come close to obtaining anything of similar quality / efficiency/ age without incurring, further unplanned high costs. This cannot be right and must not be allowed to happen. Better idea, ban further production and importation of Diesel engines here! That will upset al the foreign… Read more »
Les Jones
Les Jones
Mr Khan seems to be unaware of the fact that without the diesel engine, the industrial revolution would never have happened and that his City of London would be a very different place today as a result. As usual, it is the private motorist who is the easy target of all the threats when there is no clear evidence that they are responsible for the vast majority of the pollution in question. To the best of my knowledge, there are no such things as electric or petrol powered HGV vehicles, so how is Mr Khan planning to get food and… Read more »
Colin Dye
Colin Dye
I am a pensioner and run a 17 year old diesel car, so presumably I am one of the worst offenders. However, I cannot afford another car unless the government gave me cash for mine. I could then buy another car for what the government gave me. If this were a petrol car, it wouldn’t give me the mpg I get now, so my running costs would go up. Also, I need a car that would pull my caravan, and for that diesel is undoubtedly better. In my opinion, cars are but the small tip of a very big iceberg… Read more »
Ray Whittinger
Ray Whittinger
Another idiot suggestion that will be a burdan on the taxpayer and will help the better off. When will the eliete wake up and realise everyone is not rich enough to change cars every few years. I would surcharge diesel 3p per Litre in Greater London and Urban areas and give the extra to the local council for the enviroment. This is only a problem with short runs in urban areas. I would also raise car tax in urban areas because they have adequate public transport. Let the rich middle-class like Sadiq Khan leave the rest of us alone. They… Read more »
Alan Digweed
Alan Digweed

Switching from diesel to petrol via a scrappage scheme is only half the story.

A carbon footprint is created when a new car is manufactured so its a negative on the equation. The offset is the better fuel consumption of a newer car.

London is a nightmare to drive in; as a professional driver the passenger miles covered by a coach is some 30 times more efficient than a car with 2 people.

I think a petition is in order to show our distaste for the penalisation of the diesel engine car.

Have they got it right this time I wonder?

Michael John Stryk
Michael John Stryk
Diesels are a better engine and give higher mileage to the gallon or litre. Khan is a typical left wing politician. He wants to stop people from doing stuff. If he really wanted to change things he could promote engines that run on water. This technology has been around since at least the 70’s, but never gets mentioned. Global warming is bullshit designed to raise more taxes. I used to believe it too but it’s a scam. The planet runs far better on much higher levels of co2 than we have now. Tree s and plant’s live off the stuff… Read more »
DAVE pearce
DAVE pearce

I am a senior citizen, the car I bought three years ago is a diesel.. And hoped it would be my last car purchase. Now it looks like I may be forced to buy another car that I can Il afford, even with the payment from the government, the resale price of diesel cars will go through the floor. So diesel car owners will lose out.

Roy Forbes
Roy Forbes

Well here we are!!! My personal opinion is that the Labour Party, after all it was their two leaders who ‘persuaded’ us that Diesel was best, should be forced to pay the owners of each diesel car purchased since their declaration the total cost of the vehicles they bought. That party left our country in such a mess that all should be forced to dip their hands into their very deep pockets. NOW!!!

Lawrence Phillips
Lawrence Phillips
I can accept that dirty, badly serviced or worn out diesel engines are unacceptable and as far as I am concerned, always have been. However, if restrictions are to be brought in, would it not be fairer for vehicles manufactured after a certain date to be restricted, thereby not penalising existing owners and at the same time, discouraging people from buying diesel in the future. As this would affect demand for new diesel vehicles, manufacturers would surely follow either by eliminating diesels from their range, or perhaps more likely, producing ultra clean diesel vehicles and lobbying for laws to recognise… Read more »
Tony Savva
Tony Savva
It is noted that London has one the slowest moving traffic for any major city. I’m sure I hear it is moving at under 10 miles per hour. Let the traffic flow better/quicker and you will find that solves a HUGE amount of the problem. Or perhaps it is a case deliberately slowing the traffic down to increase the pollution so they have something to do and then eventually take credit for. They should be challenged in the Court for this especially as the majority of Diesel Drivers took the advise of the government before buying one. After all, who… Read more »
Stephen Cox
Stephen Cox

The problem is of course that it’s not the diesel car owned by the private motorist and used to commute in and out of London once per day that’s the problem, its the taxis, buses, coaches, vans, trucks and diesel trains that are running all day that are the problem but as usual the easy target is the one that will be used to appease the EU and the greens.

Keith Holland
Keith Holland
I have a 12 month old Mercedes 220d. I was informed, prior to purchase, that this engine exceeds all pollution standards and does not damage the environment. It is fitted with the very latest particulate filter which I understand collects all harmful exhaust rubbish and burns it off with harmful waste then passed through the exhaust. In addition I am getting 60mpg which again is better for the environment. Is it not about time that the would be experts started looking at all the pollution that trucks taxis and coaches put into the atmosphere and give the owners of modern… Read more »
David Clarke
David Clarke
Instead of scrapping the car could not the diesel engine be replaced with a petrol engine? There is a fuel which is being totally ignored. It is ammonia. The fact that it is a chief component of fertiliser means that there are many production facilities for it. The chemical formula is NH4, and when used in an engine does not produce any CO2, and apparently not many NOx gases either. As carbon is not involved in the formula, no soot particles are formed. Water is a by-product, so no problem with that. It is not as energy dense as petrol… Read more »
Andy Cook
Andy Cook
I had my current BMW Diesel car from new in 2011 as a company car and then subsequently bought it off the lease company. At the time the company car deal was attractive as it was classed as a green car with income/company car tax advantages. Also Diesel cars were being promoted as the greener alternative to petrol at the time and the road tax was also very low. This all made a diesel car the obvious choice at the time, even 7 years later the car is still worth a 5 figure sum due to the low depreciation so… Read more »
Neil Seath
Neil Seath

I bought a diesel car last year because of government incentives and dealership advice. If I am now to be penalised with higher taxation I will be expecting more than a token scrappage handout! I know life isn’t always fair but if they got it wrong, they pay – market value compensation.

Terence Seal
Terence Seal
Read yesterdays Times (Wednesday 15th Feb 2017) in the article it seemed to support the bias against the Diesel. So when I came home to Lincolnshire, I looked at my old working area of Bermondsey London SE1. It comes as no surprise to me that the white collar brigade have taken over the once busy warehouses and clearing away the evidence of the working man and Woman. So they do not like a dirty collar from all these black soot particles. My God they are so anal, in the 60’s we suffered days of smog. It was a good day… Read more »
T Burns
T Burns

OK so I am going to scrap my wheelchair accessible vehicle for £3500
And I’ll cost me £37,500 to replace it !!!!
Not going to happen Mr Khan, maybe if the government PAID to convert diesel vehicles to LPG as this would be cheaper and more environmentally friendly than building new cars, does Mr Khan not know how they make Aluminium it is an environmentally disastrous process !

Judie Blake
Judie Blake

This has to be the start of what the Government really want – they won’t be happy until everyone barr the chosen few are riding round on bicycles.

Phil Ashton
Phil Ashton
What I would like to know is how bad a diesel is compared to a comparatively sized petrol engine regarding emissions. Take for example a 2010 1.6 Ford Focus estate. Information suggests the diesel emits 109 g/km and averages 64.2 mpg with a tax of £30 whereas the equivalent petrol engine emits 159 g/km and averages at 42.2 mpg with a tax of £185. Details on used car websites don’t show Nitrogen Dioxide (?) emissions. What is the comparison between these two vehicles. With a working particle filter on the exhaust of a diesel, could someone please quantify the other… Read more »
Michael Ormston
Michael Ormston
I think whatever we are told it’s going to be old news, as others have said we were told by the labour government to swap our petrol vehicles to diesel for the environment, but if I remember John Prescott was on TV the other night saying that the government’s reason at the time was you could get more mileage with diesel, so my question is do we believe them again or are we being scare mongered again by the government or the so called do-gooders as this seems to be or is this another money scheme to get more money… Read more »
Gary Talbot
Gary Talbot

it was only a few years ago the government was incouraging you to buy diesel vehicles now we know y another tax on the motorist

Jote Bassi
Jote Bassi
Terrible dilemma for diesel drivers and perhaps the fairest and most just way would be to get the Green lobby and the rest of the climate science lunatics to foot the bill as payback for their flawed alarmist idealogy that has brainwashed everyone into thinking that CO2 is a danger to our planet (perhaps if plants could talk they would also beg to differ). Real science would tell them that increased CO2 is a result of warming and not the cause (probably natural cycle of teh earth anyway) – from what I understand teh man-made climate change lobby rejected the… Read more »
JE Thomas
JE Thomas

Only fair if the payment under the scrappage scheme is equal to the market value of the vehicle being scrapped!

Les Shaw
Les Shaw

As most Taxi drivers run diesel cabs in London, this will not go down well!

James McMenemey
James McMenemey
The case against diesel dates back to the 1970s, and all we motorists should be as aware as possible of the impact of our driving choices on other people. I am not happy about massive government subsidies or penalties designed to produce a sudden change in purchasing trends; such measures usually end up penalising the most vulnerable, encouraging unwise expenditure, and offer easy profits for those who see means to exploit the system. The financial incentives put in place to promote diesel use at the beginning of the century have come home to roost. The clock cannot be put back,… Read more »
Peter Robinson
Peter Robinson

Six years ago I bought a used van to convert into a campervan. As Diesels had been promoted by the Government I was happy to buy a (Cat 4, 2007 reg) diesel van. I spent nine thousand pounds on the conversion, on top of the £8,000 purchase price. What use would a scrappage scheme be to me? If I’d known we were going to be demonised I would have thought twice about diesel in the first place. And if they were wrong the first time about diesel being better than petrol, how long before they change their minds again?

Allen Cornell
Allen Cornell
Another brilliant idea from Mayor Khan. Trouble is he expects everyone else to pay for his spending. If he believes that diesels are bad then ban ALL diesels FROM LONDON. Fines are his way of financing his grandiose ideas which will come to nothing if nobody incurs a fine.(much like smoking and drinking alcohol, they won’t ban them totally because they’ll have to find the money they lose in tax somewhere else) Lets see how much the price of goods in the shops(and online) go up and the council tax rates( that pay for all the refuse trucks). I know… Read more »
Joseph Earing
Joseph Earing

I’ve read a lot of good comments on here,and I think we should all send our comments to our local MP, I have a diesel car which cost me a lot of money, but it is not cheap to run as diesel fuel is going up steadily but I will not accept a token £3000 compensation I will want a replacement petrol car, I took the governments advise now they tell me they got it wrong, well I afraid it’s going to cost you Mr government.

Ian Kendall
Ian Kendall
I should like to know why buses and lorries are allowed to belch black smoke, it is necessary to use the air recirculation system ( if your vehicle has onr ) to stop the terrible fumes entering your vehicle. when I was in the motor trade a diesel engined vehicle had to pass a smoke test. This has obviously been scrapped. I should also like to know why lorries have their exhaust pipe outlets positioned to cover pedestrians and windscreens of following vehicles with the filthy exhaust fumes etc. This is a health hazard and must be stopped, Is it… Read more »
John Peters
John Peters
Sounds like potential grants to persuade people to scrap old diesels will just about cancel out the new vehicle tax hike for new cars on 1st April (unless you buy an electric vehicle): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbV7Yfud1dE In short, it looks like you can add a couple of grand to price of a new car over £40k. If your motor is a zero-emissions vehicle, then there will be no tax to pay. For everyone else, things get a bit more complicated… and potentially, far more expensive. According to Whatcar.com , the hardest hit cars will be low-emission combustion-engined cars and hybrids. Bizarrely, cars… Read more »
Not YourBusiness
Not YourBusiness
The Government again. What has the Government got to do with all this? Can’t we live a life where the Government is a bit less present? What they did by ‘encouraging’us to drive diesels is irrelevant. Slightly lower road tax is hardly any incentive. The cost of diesel fuel in the whole of Europe is lower than petrol and this is a real encouragement, not a few quid on an annual tax. I didn’t buy my diesel because the Government supposedly wanted more diesels on the road, but because diesels are better engines and with all catalytics and dpf and… Read more »
Not YourBusiness
Not YourBusiness

…except England where petrol is cheaper than diesel fuel. Also diesel cars are more expensive to buy in the first place and more expensive to service and repair.
What encouragement?

Further Diesel can run on vegetable oil. What cleaner than that?

F**k the stupid Government and even more stupid Mayor.

Alistair Liddle
Alistair Liddle

Absolutely shocking, I have a Volvo XC90 largely because I live in a very rural area and a 4×4 is often a very necessary vehicle and it’s worth considerably more than the £3500 potentially on offer, but sadly it’s the old story never listen to a word the Government says!

General Zod
General Zod
Just another govt ploy to prop up the new car industry & get more taxes. If they were really interested in the environment, they would see that making new cars is less environmentally friendly than repairing or modifying existing ones. This witch hunt of diesel is rubbish; a 2litre petrol Ford C-Max Zetec pollutes TWICE as much as a Fiesta Econetic Diesel 1.6 TDCi, & the diesel gets more mpg too ! The BMW 320i M-sport X drive is 1&1/2 more polluting. WHERE IS THE LOGIC ? What about all the large “status” cars swanning around London & the fashion… Read more »
Philip Capner
Philip Capner

These so called plans by our esteemed politicians make me so angry. This joker was part of the government that talked us into buying diesel cars, they actively encouraged us, now that the real dangers are apparent they want us to get rid of them all. What a complete waste of space these people are. To make things worse, the EU are saying they will fine us because of our hi emissions, surely it would make more sense for them to offer us cash to help solve the problem. Another way of extracting money from us.

Robert Shaw
Robert Shaw

Diesel cars should pay the same road tax as petrol cars do – as of now. That could not be said to be prejudicial to diesel whingers.
Then there should be strict emissions testing systems – which are not conned by Volkswagen-type cheating (surely our scientists are up to that sort of challenge?) – and if it fails it fails . . .
No scrappage – why should I pay towards someone else’s new car?

Ian Grice
Ian Grice

Great a scrappage scheme, that worked well last time?

I cant afford to change my car, 3 grand of the price of a new one is nothing. What’s going to happen about all the taxis, buses, vans, lorry’s, trains, construction equipment? And what are they going to do about the pollution that comes from ship’s?

Nick Papillon
Nick Papillon

If diesels are scrapped, how much pollution will be generated by manufacturing their replacements? Then it becomes a choice – run a diesel and kill people or run a petrol and kill the planet.
Its about as silly as claiming that electric cars don’t cause any pollution.

mark antrobus
mark antrobus

The government does not have any money of its own. Instead it forces people to pay taxes under threat of conviction and imprisonment. So why should I be forced to pay taxes in order to bribe polluters not to pollute? Why is this any better than having to bribe people not to commit vandalism? The solution is obvious: the polluter must pay.

D Dug
D Dug

Define “polluters”. How are you going to make cows pay for farting?

Gordon Reid
Gordon Reid

Sorry but this latest “hit” on the car driver is too much, time for a revolution !!!!!!!!!

Philip Capner
Philip Capner

I have to disagree with you Gordon, we were told by the then government that this was the way to go, lower CO2, less global warming, which is now climate change. So we followed the advice and bought diesel, guess what, we were badly advised, yet again. It’s not so simple.

Phil Byrne-Starr
Phil Byrne-Starr
My zafira has a particulate filter fitted from factory, they say it is very clean, however the down side is the MPG goes down. The previous one had the same engine minus this filter and the best MPG was 60 with 40 urban, now its 40/46 on a run. Whilst being cleaner it now takes more fuel to cover a journey. When we all have electric vehicles bet the government come up with a tax then when they realise how much they will loose. The mayor is trying to mayor a name for himself and is really only talking about… Read more »
Bronislaw Kowal
Bronislaw Kowal

My understanding is that diesel engines are more damaging to health than petrol because of particulates, and specifically nano particles. However, carbon monoxide and dioxide emissions are lower, meaning less greenhouse gas production. DPF filters vary in efficiency as regards removal of these damaging particles. Surely, monitoring diesels more rigorously at MoT stage could lessen the problem. Is the Mayor of London aware of the complexities of the issue regarding diesel pollution, or is this simply a knee-jerk reaction which will simply kick the can down the road?

Barry Huffer
Barry Huffer
Having advised us to buy diesels the government have an obligation to to reimburse us for the extra cost we have incured not only when purchasing diesel engined vehicles but for all the additional tax we have paid when buying diesel fuel. If this is by way of a scappage payment it should also apply to changing engines rather than the whole vehicle, a massive environmental issue, and motor manaufacturers should be encouraged to inform the public which engines would be directly exchangeable for their models and/or produce engines that could be exchangeable at cost price. They should also encourage… Read more »
William Wallace
William Wallace

is the government aware that there are diesel cars such as the Citroen c4 piccaso which give lower emissions than the petrol version they should be encouraging car manufacturers to produce engines whether it be petrol or diesel to fit this criteria

Rodney Askham
Rodney Askham
I bought an expensive Diesel BMW with an emission figure which is better than the EU cat 6! Of course it is very apparent that the large capacity Diesel powered trucks and buses are the main pollution problem, but politicians will never tackle that. Instead they always home in on the motorist, the easy target! They encourage us with lower VED on Diesel cars whilst taxing us on the fuel which is dearer in the UK than the Continent! If these ridiculous proposals are adopted, I would want the difference in residual value of my car as compensation, not a… Read more »
Brian McCabe - Jones
Brian McCabe - Jones

This is all well and good for the mayor of London, but what about us that live in the country, most farm vehicles run on diesel is he expecting farmers to get rid of tractors , builders to get rid of earth movers etc. Why should any of us be penalised for what the government advised us to do in the past, if they want us to change then it should be a proper compensation deal not a token gesture.

Barry White
Barry White

I bought a diesel car not so long ago.
It uses far less fuel for a given mileage compared to petrol.
The government encouraged the use of diesel, and has not issued any statement to change that.

The costs of a ban on all ready purchased diesel cars would be astronomical.

If the government wants to change its rules, it should do so for all newly built diesels.
But again, the costs would be prohibitive. What about the UK factories now building these cars?

David Brown
David Brown
In the 1950s car manufacturers said that it was impossible to improve Petrol Car efficiencies. What they meant was it would be costly for them to do so NOT that it was implausible as has been proved by modern petrol cars achieving over 50 mpg compared with the 30mpg of much smaller engines in the 1950s. So Diesel Car Manufacturers can and will improved the efficiency and reduce the diesel pollution rather than lose out to other forms of fuel. Batteries have improved over the decades simply because Manufactures saw demand and profit. Years ago when working for FORDS i… Read more »
DUNCAN MACKENZIE
DUNCAN MACKENZIE

How about London buses ,

Alan Pearson
Alan Pearson

What ever happened to LPG as an alternative?
BP are getting rid for their pumps!

Ryan James
Ryan James

And how would we who live and work in the countryside (in clean air and a long way from city pollution) find a suitable vehicle that can tow a 12 foot trailer filled with cattle? Only a sizeable diesel 4×4 can fulfil that requirement…. Once again, these politicians choose not to acknowledge lives and livelihoods outside a city!

Barry Shandley
Barry Shandley

So how is it that the luxury end of the car market is bringing out new diesel vehicles? Companies such as Maserati, Mercedes-Benz, Bentley and so on. Are their new diesel engines “cleaner”? Having recently bought a diesel engined C-series Merc I don’t feel very happy about a few thousand for scrapping my vehicle.

John Nisbet
John Nisbet
I think the Demonisation of Diesel and Diesel Car Owners is yet another “Knee Jerk Reaction” (Same as Global Warming, don’t start me on that one!!!) Unfortunately I am in the process of changing my Car, I have been driving Diesels since the late 1990’s, the cars on offer are still at full price, but there is now the undermining worry that Diesel Cars built before 2005 will be Scrapped. If I buy Diesel which is the sensible Fuel to consider as I drive over 500 + Miles a week, the subsequent Trade in MUST be affected by the time… Read more »
John Nisbet
John Nisbet

As a footnote, my Car Manufacturer of choice ofer Hybrid Models, (MUST be Petrol) some of them are subject to a £2,500 Government Grant AND assisted funding to cover the installation of a Home Charging System, but if you opt for 18″ Wheels or a certain Sport Accessory, the deal is off??

By my calculations, 17″ Wheels = More Revolutions = More Power/Petrol/Electric Used????

Ian Wilkinson
Ian Wilkinson
If the issue is air pollution, then surely it should be addressed by pursuing the worst polluters, namely large diesel lorries and buses, not forgetting diesel railway locomotives, which are frequently left running between duties. The more miles covered, the larger and less efficient the engine, the greater amount of diesel fuel burnt causes the greater harm. Why not add a tax to diesel fuel at the pump? Those who pollute most pay most, which seems fair to me. On a personal note I tow a twin axle caravan with a diesel Land Rover Defender for our UK holidays. The… Read more »
Therm O\'Stat
Therm O\'Stat
Any proposed ‘scrapage’ scheme so far is falling way short of the versions in other European countries where they have been tackling the problem for some time. In France they are offering drivers of old diesel cars €10000 to trade-in against an electric vehicle. The trouble of offering ‘£2000’ (or £3500) is that the people who own old cars, generally, do so because they are not wealthy enough to have already bought a newer one and the incentive will not be enough to tempt them to change and those who are wealthy enough and have a nearly new car that… Read more »
Peter Vince
Peter Vince

Sound expensive for the government – how are they going to pay for this? Withold funds from the NHS – again? Surely the more obvious route is to just massively increase the tax on diesel, and then let public “freedom of choice” take its course?

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