14.12.07 Protesters to fire “warning shot” to the government.

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Do you support the fuel protests?


Transaction 2007, the group behind the fuel protests taking place around the country tomorrow, have said that the protests are aiming to “fire a warning shot to the government.” David Handley, spokesperson for group, warned, “it's our intention to come back in January and let's put it like this, it won't be quite as peaceful as it's going to be tomorrow.”

He continued: “we have got contingency plans for where the next stage of this will go. I'm obviously not going to discuss that because the next element has got to be a surprise. That's the only way that you'll have the impact with government to make them realise that you mean business.”

Handley hopes the protests will show politicians how angry motorists are at rising fuel prices. Transaction 2007 blame the current tax system, whereby duty and VAT are added the price of petrol. He said: “we have not got an issue with tax if tax is totally transparent. It's got to be fair, it's got to be shown that the money that's drawn from the revenue from fuel, should be used to create a better infrastructure, better investment in transport and not used to prop up the inefficient management of the cash flow from government.”

The protests tomorrow will start at 10am at fuel refineries and depots across the country, including those in Manchester, Southampton, Liverpool, Essex, Cardiff, and Lincolnshire. Despite the threat of further, potentially more disruptive action early next year, Handley maintains that tomorrow's action will be peaceful. Transaction 2007 were involved in the fuel protests in 2000, where lorry drivers blockaded refineries, leading to nationwide fuel shortages. But Handley maintained: “we were accused last time by a lot of people who didn't want to take part of not doing it in the correct manner. This time we're doing it in the correct way. We're sending a message in a peaceful form, but if people don't address that and listen to us then 2000 is likely to happen all over again.”

Early indications from polls and comments on our blog have suggested that whilst motorists are angry at rising fuel prices, opinions are divided as to whether targeting refineries is the best method of protest. In addition, only 183 people have said they will be protesting tomorrow. It has been suggested that it would be better to send a petition to the government or protest in London, because they are responsible for the tax on fuel.

However, Stephen Joseph from the Campaign for Better Transport believes that reducing tax on fuel would be the worst thing the government could do. “It gives motorists the false sense of security that they can continue to drive around in their gas guzzlers. High tax acts as an incentive for motorists to switch to greener alternatives.” He continued, “fuel tax in the UK is not drastically higher than the rest of Europe. We are now only around 1% higher than countries such as Germany, France and the Netherlands.”

So are we paying too much in tax on our fuel in the UK? Should we ensure that all our tax gets spent on motoring? Or should we continue to tax at the current rate to encourage greener alternatives?

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If anybody believes this Government will take any notice of petitions they should try it. I have signed numerous petitions on the Number 10 website and the reply is always "No" with a subsequent load of garbage about what is best for us. The only thing that will ever influence this Socialist regime is public protest and disruption. The bunch of wimps that call themselves a Government will always back down in the face of disruption.

Posted by Gerald Lambourne, 14th December 2007 4:28pm

Are we getting over 2 US dollars to the earth UK Pound? and they still keep blaming the high dollar price for a barrel of oil??

If these clowns in government did away with the criminal fuel duty percentage fuel would still have the VAT and how much would fuel be per ltr then?

when you put £50 of fuel in your tank you don't start paying for the fuel until you get past the £42 mark!!!! who reports on that? the real cause of high fuel prices in the UK not the $ per barrel but the robbing government!

Posted by Paul Griffiths, 14th December 2007 5:00pm

Of course we dont know whats best for us or we would not have voted in the bunch of un-reconstructed socialists in the Tory partys old clothes .
(I don't think any of the other non alternatives would be any better though)

As long as they don't start labelling people as "counter revolutionarys" we know were that leads, or is the phrase terrorist sympathisers more likely to be used so they can lock you up for six weeks without charge?

Posted by Steve Hibbett, 14th December 2007 5:12pm

Fuel costs less today in comparative terms thanin 1995, This is all about hauliers and farmers wanting to put up taxes for the rest of us.

Lets face it your furel costs are tax deductable and vat reclaimable, not so for jo public.

Stop protesting and smell the coffee!!!

Posted by Ken Gregory, 14th December 2007 5:14pm

i agree with this ,if you need my help let me know.its all to expensive,cant keep up with it.

Posted by Ste Swan, 14th December 2007 5:17pm

long live freedom of protest

Posted by Paul Wynter, 14th December 2007 5:26pm

I fully support any protest that is about to happen, as a father of two on a pretty low income and have to travel 21 miles to work and the same home again these petrol prices are killing me !! I too have signed loads of on line petitions like gerald and with the same outcome, i would like to see some of the fat lazy government get by on a low income and still manage to keep their car on the road "legally" i am just managing it, and for those who think a car is a luxury mine is definetly not, as there are no public transport at 4:30 am for me to get to my work. I say good luck tomorrow and whatever else these protesters manage to pull off thank you.

Posted by Mark Hunter, 14th December 2007 5:27pm

Fuel is highly priced, and it is due to the tax. However, what do you want taxed instead to make up the short-fall?

Maybe you'd like the Road Fund Licence to jump to make up the difference (hitting those who use their cars less because we already can't afford the fuel disproportionately).

There is no simple answer - we get so many things and expect so many things from the government, and then demand it all for less and less. The onyl simple current answer would be to scrap the Olympics in 2012 and scrap the ID cards - then we'd have the money to chop the price of fuel. I've no problem with those two going!!

Posted by Dominic Stockford, 14th December 2007 5:29pm

I have just come back from Germany Petrol there is still cheaper than here and they dont pay Road Tax.

Posted by Rod Harding, 14th December 2007 5:32pm

"fuel tax in the UK is not drastically higher than the rest of Europe. We are now only around 1% higher than countries such as Germany, France and the Netherlands."

Interesting choice of European countries...

I drove across Europe last summer(!) and I noticed that while petrol in France was similar to the UK, prices in Spain and Italy were considerable cheaper.

I'm not so sure petitions will do anything, there seem to be hundreds of them being circulated via email, forums and websites for one thing or another.

Although I am all in favour of "peaceful" protests, I doubt this will have much of an impact either. A repeat of 2000 may well upset a lot of people, but you cannot argue the results did reduce prices and keep them sub £1.00 for a long time.

I have always said larger cars and in-efficient cars should pay the extra tax. But the increases are not reducing tax in other areas.

Motorists are always the subject to "mugging" from the government and police, but I don't see where this money is going to help the country. Referring back to my trip to Europe, driving in EVERY other country was better that motoring in the UK. Less congestion, less road works and better roads. I know some of the main motor routes are tolled, but at least you feel you are getting something for your money. They have numerous, safe places to stop with toilets and picnic areas. This is in addition to the services.

For what it's worth I'm on a bike for commuting at the moment so that's my two fingers up at the government.

Well that's my rant...

Merry Christmas

Posted by Dave Hayes, 14th December 2007 5:37pm

Lower the cost of fuel, increase road tax on gas guzzlers. A no brainer really. Those who choose to drive the latter will pay for the 'pleasure' of doing so whilst the rest of us won't be penalised for driving 'sensible' cars.

Posted by Tim, 14th December 2007 5:40pm

I still think that the option of boycotting 1 major retailer, would force the price change from the Petrol Company rather than a blanket protest. Let's face it, we all need fuel to get around, to work, to school etc, so were not going to stop buying fuel, no matter how high the prices go. BUT as consumers, we can manipulate the market by being strategic and working together. There are no viable alternatives to Petrol Cars, if there was i would seriously consider using one, but we can't all afford Lexus Hybrid cars, or even a Prius ( i know i'm that poor )

Posted by Dominic Cassells, 14th December 2007 5:40pm

I fully support any action taken to protest against fuel prices. I am reasonably well off and have a diesel car but I do a fairly high necessary mileage a week and the prices are crippling me. It is becoming unsustainable and the massive percentage the government takes is totally inexcusable. they could lower duty substantially and still be making more money per litre than they were 2 years ago. Enough is enough!

Posted by Darren Turner, 14th December 2007 5:42pm

In the late 70's when traveling to France you would fill up in Dover as the fuel here was much cheaper. Now it is the other way round, all country's in Europe are cheaper than here with Luxembourg being the cheapest. As the previous person has said, France and Germany don't also have to pay road tax !!
I hope any protest wakes this government up.

Posted by Graham Woolrich, 14th December 2007 5:44pm

In reply to the following comment posted -

Fuel costs less today in comparative terms thanin 1995, This is all about hauliers and farmers wanting to put up taxes for the rest of us.

Lets face it your furel costs are tax deductable and vat reclaimable, not so for jo public.

Stop protesting and smell the coffee!!!

Posted by Ken Gregory, 14th December 2007 5:14pm

I would reply, that fuel costs are rising, business cannot claim this cost back, we can claim the VAT yes, but we still have to cover the costs, this means that our customer pay for it in collection charges and parts/service prices have to go up to cover the costs. We are in a rural area, no buses pass our door and a car is a must, we reduced are vechicle fleet last year due to running costs.

Keep the protest going. Businesses and Jo Public should BOTH pay less for fuel.

Posted by Jayne Davies, 14th December 2007 5:48pm

If the costs are analysed it is the fuel companies who should be targeted.
This Government hasm put up the tax 25%, the Tory Government put up the tax 127%, the Oil Giant have added over 200%.
They make huge profits for themselves, and tax is our money used for everyone's benefit.
If the base price is reduced, so is the tax

Posted by Alan, 14th December 2007 5:49pm

I think we need to let the politicians know that 'enough is enough' and remind them that they are our servants and not our masters. I'm sick to the back teeth with the bleatings of the green lobby. Motoring causes so little in terms of overall pollution and it is being taxed disproportionately. Whatever action needs taking, let's do it.

Posted by Dave, 14th December 2007 5:49pm

Why does the motorist always have to bear the rising costs of government mismangement. They squander the money on wars and on countries that would NEVER consider helping Britain in a crises, yet we are always giving them hand-outs.
We the motorists must stand up to the government and if they don't change their tactics, vote them out.
Don't believe all the twaddle about global warming either, it is all fabricated to extortion more money from the people. There was global warming in the days of the horse and cart, but no one blamed the horses .....

Posted by Eleanor Naylor, 14th December 2007 5:51pm

Whilst our petrol is "only" the third highest in Europe, we have the highest priced derv... by a big margin.... and we're the only country in the EU that has derv that costs more than petrol.

Everything we use is delivered by derv vehicles... draw your own conclusions!

Posted by Dominic Ricci, 14th December 2007 5:52pm

How much more of this Govt are we going to take without resorting to Peaceful Protest!
We have been refused an Election, refused a Referendum, seen our data lost , seen gross incompetance within every Ministry of govt , seen our troops & police under paid and equiped, Hospitals dirty and Education falling behind whilst being stelth taxed to the hilt. The Fuel Tax issue is the last straw for me! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Posted by Peter Of Surrey, 14th December 2007 5:55pm

Where would the government get the shortfall from if they reduced the fuel tax? Answer: increase taxes on cigarettes and alcohol! (As you might realize, I don't smoke and rarely drink).

Posted by Richard Kennard, 14th December 2007 5:59pm

The high cost of tax on our UK fuel is crippling industry, and hurting the individual, especially the older ones on fixed income. As tax is directly linked to the price of crude the Government just syphons off more and more money which they then waste bu the Millions.

Posted by Tony Burholt, 14th December 2007 5:59pm

The first poster says a "Socialist" Government? - This government is so far removed from socialism it's a bad joke.

We are the highest charged country in the world for fuel (excepting Zimbabwe) - we have a government that profit gouges the public at every chance through every form of taxation.

We should protest and we should also start to look at getting some MP's elected into Westminster that will set a realistic fuel price - start going after the cosy MP's who are driven in Government cars and never have to pay to get to their work.

Do MP's claim expenses for travelling from their home to their local constituency office? Where are they based for their work?

The only changes we can drive are by going after the MP's seats, they are driven by self-interest and that is the only thing that motivates them.

National Stay @ Home day - no fuel, no travel, no work.

The Government expects apathy don't give in.

Posted by Glen Allan, 14th December 2007 6:00pm

I don't just object to derv being more expensive, but the margin of difference has increased in the past few weeks, too.

Before the prices hit £1, derv was usually only 2p more expensive, now it's anthing up to 5p more if you're not careful...clearly a subtle attempt to try to make petrol appear cheaper.

Soon it won't be any more beneficial running a diesel....!

Posted by Debs Lund, 14th December 2007 6:01pm

It does make you wonder how other Countries do it. They have more, they have cheaper fuel and no road tax in Germany. So why when we have such a high population can't we do this. Something is draining the reserves and they're not spending it on fixing the roads. I have to have a car to get to work and sometimes I think I would be better off leaving my job!!! Voting in someone else won't make any difference they seem to all be the same!!

Posted by Christine Angell, 14th December 2007 6:01pm

We should protest it is a scandalous price and public transport is expensive especially for pensioners who have to travel to see their families. Train fares are extremely high and makes it out of the question for two people when you can do the same journey by car for less.
I'm behind the protesters and willing to join in any marches, etc. Petrol prices affect everyone as it puts the price of food and goods up. If this government is so worried about being green why do we need to have so many foreign trucks on our roads when they don't pay our road taxes and often the delivery is for Ireland. Goods should be put on goods trains at the nearest train station to the port where they have entered this country.

Posted by Angie Wilson, 14th December 2007 6:02pm

Sadly this government needs to tax everything up to the hilt to pay for the generous welfare state they have created to try to woo over as many votes as possible from any quarter. How much per litre is going into these scemes ie the £200 (I believe) going into the banks of every child born? How much for the expectant mother to eat properly during her pregnancy (or spend on alcohol, cigarettes or drugs which ever she chooses) how much to ensure everyone who steps onto our shores gets a standard of living far far better than they had at home and better than some of our own pensioners, how much to encourage unmarried mothers to produce more children, the list goes on and on not even taking into consideration the massive bank breaking cost of this ILLEGAL war in Iraq. Just remember these facts at the next general election!

Posted by John G Wilson, 14th December 2007 6:03pm

In Egypt the price is about 20p per litre because it is essentially untaxed.

If you then add 400% tax to it, you get £1 a litre which we have more or less here, although diesel is more like £1.05 a litre.

Is 400% tax fair?

No.

And the Anthropogenic case for global warming is till un-proven.

Scrap *all* the tax on it and lower inflation.

Posted by Mr Davies, 14th December 2007 6:04pm

Stephen Joseph with his Campaign for Better Transport is talking out of his posterior if he thinks that lowering tax isn't the answer and high taxes will get people out of their cars. On planet Earth, particularly this lawless corner of it, the idea of using the inadequate public transport system with the aggressive and bad mannered other passengers does not appeal at all. I like the freedom to go where I want, when I want, without having to wait at a vandalised bus stop in the cold and dark, feeling vulnerable if strange blokes are about. Women just don't feel safe on public transport and the sooner these do gooders realise that the better. Provide safe, clean, frequent transport in a law abiding country then you will get people using public transport. I had to use it for the first 20 or so years of my life, and frankly I don't want to go back there just to please the idiots who have fallen for the global warming scam. Stop the Chinese building so many power stations first and then start worrying about what comes out of the rear of our cars. And let's vote this shower out of government the next chance we get. Who would have thought they could have conned so many intelligent people for so long?

Posted by Katrina Woodrow, 14th December 2007 6:07pm

Petrol at 102 p per litre - it's hardly more expensive than bottled water. Yes, our corrupt, greedy and incompetent government takes our tax and wastes it, but petrol is still far cheaper than wine.

Deal with it!

Posted by Philip, 14th December 2007 6:09pm

I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT THIS COUNTRY IS JUST ABOUT TAX. ITS ABOUT TIME WE STARTED TO TAKE NOTICE OF WHATS GOING ON AROUND US. £1.03 A LITRE THATS $2.10 ADD ANOTHER 35P AND THATS WHAT USA PAY FOR A GALLON ITS BLOODY CRAZY. THE GOVERNMENT REALLY WILL BE IN TROUBLE IF WE ALL TURNED TO GREENER ALTERNATIVES FOR TRAVEL, WHERE WILL ALL THEIR REVENUE COME FROM THEN. ALL OUR TAXES WILL GO UP SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEY HAVE TO GET THE MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE SO ITS EASY TO BLAME THE MOTORIST. WITH THE DEATH OF THE LOCAL SHOP KEEPER, HOW ELSE DO YOU SURVIVE WITHOUT THE USE OF A CAR TO GO TO THE SUPERSTORES. EVERYBODY NEEDS A CAR AND THE GOVERNMENT KNOW IT. WHETHER YOU SPEND TEN POUNDS OR FIFTY POUNDS A WEEK ITS STILL FAR TOO MUCH TAX TO PAY. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Posted by Robert Burrage, 14th December 2007 6:11pm

Petrol has to be considered an essential fuel in todays "socialised " world. I think the figures are something like 68p in the pound tax on petrol. That leaves just 32p in every pound for the product, giving you tax of 212% (68p tax & 32p product) would this be considered an acceptable level of tax if it were on gas or electricity?
The "green" argument can be cited here. If fuel is cheaper, more is used causing a negative impact on the environment. While this may be true, as we continue to look for alternative fuels and say convert all our engines to run on rapeseed oil, farmers in Brazil are tearing up rain forests to grow more rapeseed to meet the demand of the "socialised" world. Can this be considered a negative impact on the environment too?
The issue here is about tax for me, I am continually offended how much it costs me in tax to live as an honest law abiding citizen.
Maybe if they removed the VAt element things would look a little better? As it is for every £1 increase in the price of fuel, we pay 1.17.5p.

Let's put an end to public apathy!

Posted by Ade Crowshaw, 14th December 2007 6:11pm

Well said Peter of Surrey,couldnt agree more.

Posted by Graham Guppy, 14th December 2007 6:13pm

Stephen Joseph (Campaign for Better Transport) needs to get a life. The Duty and VAT on fuel are far too high and even if it is inconvenient I support any protests that attempt to redress this iniquity.

But this is not political because the Fuel Tax Escalator was introduced by the Tories and I have heard no comment from Messrs Bum Fluff (Cameron and Osborne) that they would do different.

So let's inconvenience all MP's by blockading the Houses of Parliament and do it in such a way that the Lords cannot draw their attenedance fees. Oh dear what am I saying?

Posted by Malcolm Vasey, 14th December 2007 6:16pm

Please tell me why us brits are like sheep, any other country would have blockades and mass protest.
This govt know this thats why they can do what they want.WAKE up Britain
its time for a revolution.

Posted by Thomas Jones, 14th December 2007 6:20pm

I remember a few years back when shell a global company announced it's profits, some low level minister was on the radio saying their profits were at the expense of the motorist. Quite an ironic statment when you consider road fuel is only a small part of shells operation and if you stick to road fuel in this country it a even smaller amount of shells profit. As motorist we pay more in takes a year than shell makes as a global company... anyway.

I just wonder what they'll tax when the oil runs out or get's too expensive for us normal people.. all this green taxes is a load of nonsense, there is nothing green about the taxes the goverment say it because they believe it's what we want to hear.. that's how out of touch they are. The enviroment is an important issue, but it shouldn't be used as an excuse to fill the treasury's coffers.

Posted by Mark Stocks, 14th December 2007 6:20pm

The sky high price of petrol in the UK is not because of high oil prices, if it were, why is petrol $3 a gallon in the US, we are paying $10 a gallon in the UK.

As for the green argument, I will consider green alternatives as they arise, currently I see no alternative other than in big cities, to the car. Buses and trains are not a viable alternative, not everyone wants to travel into or out of London and those who do have to stand up. Give us wide seats, more legroom, and buses and trains that go where I want to go, at times I want to go, at a sensible price and I will be on them.

Posted by Richard Young, 14th December 2007 6:23pm

One Question, we have been hearing about this on the web for days now. Why hasn't it been mentioned on the news at all?

Posted by Caz, 14th December 2007 6:24pm

As others have said: this lying, scheming government, that has had the most devious and under-handed chancellor imagineable - now prime minister of course - has reneged on every single one of its 1997 election manifesto promises. My small business is drowning under red-tape (IR35, S660, MSC, MSP etc... all new from them) and I am personally taxed to the hilt, not openly of course, but by stealth.

Remember when Brown, as chancellor, promised not to increase income tax... but then immediately put national insurance up instead? That 1% comes from your pay-packet in *exactly* the same way. And they have racked up employer's national insurance too, by several percent, which as an employee you don't see but it's why your employer can't afford to give you a pay rise... the government stole it from you! And then we're stealth taxed to the hilt through fuel duty etc, ever rising, and then VAT on top of that!

And for what? So that they can put it into their coffers now, ready for spending on generous schemes in one or two years time... just before the next election in the hope of buying themselves more votes, using our money!

This government - and the current prime minister in particular - is an utter disgrace; they deserve to be brought down. Sadly I can't see these protests achieving that, no matter how well managed they are, but they may at least give the government a bruise or two and show them that we've had enough of being bullied and robbed blind, just to bolster their coffers to introduce schemes to try and buy themselves yet another term in office, to push this country still further into the dark ages.

Yes, I support the protests!

Posted by Andrew, 14th December 2007 6:25pm

The fuel tax is at an all time low since it has not been rising by very much year on year. The price of oil is however at an all time high hence the high prices for petrol & Deisel. Perhaps the protests should be aimed at the oil companies not the government. They have been making record profits and also moving into bio fuels which is helping to put up the cost of our food!

Posted by Mischa Goldman, 14th December 2007 6:25pm

If those organising the protests also organised long-term car sharing schemes, perhaps through liftshare.com, then people would make their journeys, public transport gets shamed, the government loses fuel taxes (only works if over the long term).

Then after a few months, people decide to share a car (and save money) or go back to paying what by then will be lower fuel costs and raised car taxes to compensate.

The thing is most British are too comfortable in their cars for their own good.

Posted by Ian Mayman, 14th December 2007 6:26pm

yes i agree with most of the comments at it is time we stuck togeather ?who pays for the goverments petrol and road tax we seem to suffer from high costs and no retuns i have also had suffer more exspense due to damage to my car from conditions of the roads i totally agree with what you are doing for once lets stand united and let our voices be heard i cannot afford a big car and struggle with the running costs but i always see the goverment in so called gas guzelers did they say lead by example so all the best for tomorrow

Posted by J Richardson, 14th December 2007 6:26pm

If we had a long term plan for anything in this country then people would be behind the government. However we vote for a party, they say one thing and do another. For example, war in Iraq, war in Afghanistan, raise taxes to improve hospitals - no change, but still keep the tax. Sell off school playgrounds, now spend a billion to update what is left. If the fuel tax actually improved roads, transport and the whole infrastructure then fine.
The reality is it just props up inefficient finances and policies by Uncle Gordon.
Goods will go up in price yet we will be informed that inflation is only 2%.
I support the fuel protest.

Posted by Alex, 14th December 2007 6:32pm

Someone above said taxes are so high to pay for the welfare state. Well I'm currently on tax credits. I have my own car and by giving people a lift, I could reduce congestion by about ten cars a day and I get people to work quicker as a result. I also own my own business so I could charge the fuel cost to my business.

By having a signed agreement with all those getting a lift, I would not need a taxi licence. Imagine the roads if ten unemployed people did this each day.

Posted by Ian Mayman, 14th December 2007 6:33pm

Two points.

1 Does anybody really expect the Government to say "We are wrong. There is too much tax on petrol. We are going to reduce it" ? If so, wake up !!

2 What if your car ran on tea ! A cup of tea in a cafe costs approx 50p. That is for about one-third of a pint. So for a pint of tea it would cost £1.50. 8 pints = 1 gallon = £12. Aren't you glad your car doesn't run on tea!!

BTW I do wish the price would come down, but I have serious doubts that it will unless the price of oil drops considerably (then the Government would add more taxes !).

Posted by Martin Rosen, 14th December 2007 6:34pm

Would you prefer higher income tax or high fuel prices? Sadly, fact's are it's either / or. If you want to have neither, emigrate to a tax haven.

Posted by Rob, 14th December 2007 6:39pm

Re the comment about what to replace any reduction in tax with....the government, as far as we are led to believe, had no idea when churning out the budget what price fuel was going to be, unless they had a crystal ball, so how can you miss what you didn't plan on having? Scrap the road fund licence, tax the fuel only so that those who use the roads pay for them, and can't dodge paying as they can with the road fund licence. To tax at the rate we are is nothing short of theft by this greedy government who give back nothing in return. The roads are shoddy, the infrastructure lacking..so what ARE they spending the revenue on?

Posted by Bev Thompson, 14th December 2007 6:42pm

Motorists are a soft target for tax raising.

I am a law abiding citizen who normally shuns direct action but the situation here demands something out of the ordinary. I support what is proposed as an alternative to doing nothing. If it causes short term public inconvenience, so be it. People need to "put their money where their mouth is" on this issue.

We have a socialist government which constantly demonstrates its incompetence in the management of public money. there is little evidence that car related taxes are properly hypothecated. The state of non-major road surfaces in my locality is a scandal.

Good luck to the protestors, but no violence, please.

Posted by David Begley, 14th December 2007 6:42pm

David Begley, couldn't the direct action you refer to, be to move nearer to your workplace, instead of encouraging disruption of our day to day lives?

Posted by Rob, 14th December 2007 6:47pm

Having recently spent nearly 3 months in Belgium can someone explain why Diesel fuel is nearly 25p a litre cheaper than here in fact apart from LPG it is the cheapest fuel available. Is this because they are actually trying to do something about the environment rather than our way of taxing those that are trying to do something more.

Posted by David Baxter, 14th December 2007 6:49pm

I prefer the method of not buying petrol from the major oil producers like BP. By boycotting this petrol producer and buying from supermarkets and the cheaper stations, BP would have no option but to drop their prices which would make the others do the same.
Worth a try?

Posted by Bruce Wall, 14th December 2007 6:50pm

I think the extra duty on petrol came about to makeup for the shortfall lost on cigerates after the smoking ban.

Yes I think its discusting the price we pay for petrol. Higher petrol prices = high costs on retail goods = higher inflation.

People who work for a living, earning under 20k always seem to be the ones hardest hit paying out in taxes.

Posted by Stuart, 14th December 2007 6:51pm

I have recently spent three weeks in France, and was amassed after 1,875 miles the saving on diesel compared to the U.K . Our government knows the motorist is an easy target to tax incurring inflated prices
on all transported goods. CUT THE TAX :- CUT INFLATION:- AND BRING ALL RETAIL GOODS DOWN

Posted by Brian Stewart, 14th December 2007 6:53pm

HGV operators and farmers get real please! You can offset your fuel costs against tax as a business expense so the net cost per litre is much much less!
And farmers, you pay hardly any tax at all on diesel!
Not so the poor private motorist, he or she is the one who is getting hammered by high fuel prices, not most of those behind this protest!
For heavens sake stop acting like a load of spoilt children and get on with your work - NOW!

Posted by Diane, 14th December 2007 6:55pm

How about global warming, shouldn't we be worrying about the future we are creating for our children and future generations, get on your bike or find a job nearer home, oil is to valuable a commodity to waste it on unecessary jouneys and overheating out homes.

Posted by Mervyn Thomas, 14th December 2007 6:56pm

We motorists are a smug, self-justifying, selfish lot. When are we going to wake up to the crisis that is hitting the pedestrian and the planet, and stop whingeing about paying for the damage we do to others' health and our children's environment?

As for Handley's scarcely veiled threats of violence, and the justification "it's the only language they understand" ..... well, my word, it rather suggests that tax needs to go up further to put into education! I have rather higher expectations for how homo sapiens deals with his frustrations.

Posted by Eudemus, 14th December 2007 6:57pm

Get real Mervyn everyone does not live in these communities where the work is round the corner and easily available this is the real world and people will always have to travel to get to work because they cannot affoard to buy a house near the employment as jobs in an area mean high house prices

Posted by David Baxter, 14th December 2007 6:59pm

OK, so our fuel prices are only 1% higher than other Europeans. How much do they pay in their equivilent to our annual "Road Fund Licence"?
Factor that in, and then what's the difference?
No Government is going to withdraw the fuel duty, that we have to live with.
Maybe the answer is for the Government to redude or withdraw the VAT on fuel. Tax upon another tax is downright disgusting. Take the VAT out of a £1.00 litre and your left with an 85p litre. Isn't that fairer?
I'd be happy with lower RFL and no VAT on fuel. What does everyone else think?

Posted by Stuart Bulpit, 14th December 2007 7:00pm

Do you really think Brown will take any notice, not a chance he is so wrapped up in his ivory tower. He actually believes the public transport system is sufficient for us to all get around on...the mumpty. No doubt he won't even make comment about it, he's so invisible when the spin goes against him.

All it will do is create problems on the roads leading up to Christmas.


Posted by Tony Gray, 14th December 2007 7:02pm

if we are in the EU, why not have a common pricing policy??
or is it just another way for our government to raise revenues and then waste them??

Posted by Chris Rogers, 14th December 2007 7:05pm

The favourite ploy for anyone remotely keen to see motorists taxed off the roads or attempting to justify the greedily high tax levels is the sneering comment about 'gas guzzlers". The reality is that most tax on fuel is paid by the transport industry, small business owners and employees who can't trade or get to work without using a car, familiies who can barely afford the small often older car which provides them the ability for leisure trips at the weekend. The majority of these pundits with their chaufer driven vehicles at beck and call or an agreed vehicle/fuel/mileage allowance are never exposed to the chill economics of trying to provide some sort of transport for their family. These people urgently need a reality check before continuing to expound on matters they in reality know very little about. As for the folk from organisations like "Transport for Rural Britian" or other such fancy quangoes - how they have the cheek to draw their inflated remunerations I have no idea, they must qualify as the most useless shower of hangers on in history.

Posted by John A Smith, 14th December 2007 7:06pm

Oh come come now.

Our government needs to raise the best part of TEN BILLION pounds so we can have a fortnight of games in the capital. you don't think anyone other than YOU is going to foot that bill do you?

And I'm afraid the idea that fighting other Countries wars for them doesn't come cheap either. Mind you, on that note, neither does sending a couple of billion overseas each year help. Didn't know how much our support for helping places like Israel buy new weapons eh?

Petrol is the simple one to catch us all on. Public transport is dismal - and quite simply non-existent in MANY parts of the countryside - or "one bus a week". The result - is that the ever increasing tax burden will probably just do that - increase ever more - because there really ISN'T a viable alternative.

The folks that think we should all buy hybrids / switch to has / electricity will simply mean the government is forced to either collect the revenue from the remaining petrol / diesel users or find a new way to tax gas and electricity for road use. In practice, I suspect they will do both.

It isn't just the present incumbents either - the last lot were every bit as incompetent and self-serving as the present lot. I'm afraid it is just part of "Grot Britain", you WILL be ripped off for fuel, alcohol and cigarettes.

With governments, expect about the worst, then you will be only slightly disappointed.

Mark

Posted by Mark Tibbert, 14th December 2007 7:06pm

The fact that single figure percentages of collected road tax is actually spent on maintaining the roads is a damnation on the government.
The continued lack of expenditure on both road maintenance (not new road schemes) and on public transport - with continued extortionate prices for said public transport is a national scandal.
That the government want to continue to raise revenues by hitting the easy target of the law abiding motorists is nothing short of scandalous.
That fact that more than 70% of motorists need to use their cars to get to work (as aforementioned "Public Transport" is ineffective) only goes to show that this government is not serious about either improving public transport to that required to keep the country running, nor to develop systems and policies to encourage less travel to get people into work locations. As such it cannot be serious about being "green" and desiring to reduce the carbon emissions for the UK..
Hot air and lies is what they are feeding us.
Lies, damn lies and distorted statistics..

Posted by Des Gardiner, 14th December 2007 7:08pm

There may be some money being spent on road improvements but this only seems to happen around big cities. how about improving the rural infrastructure thus encouraging us to use public transport

Posted by David Baxter, 14th December 2007 7:11pm

When i was in America a few months back they were paying for a gallon what we pay for a litre and they drive the gas guzzlers.. Britain is a tiny country compared to USA,China, Russia and all the rest, so why should a tiny country like ours be hit harder than those doing most damage to the atmosphere. They talk about gas guzzlers here when every second car in USA is one.

Posted by Stuart Wallace, 14th December 2007 7:14pm

Stephen joseph what world do you live in.Yes i am worried for the environment but i have a family to feed and travel 40 miles a day to and from work what do you suggest i do roller skate. Get with the real world it's not the people with the gas guzzlers that suffer it's the ordinary people trying to support the household on a standard wage that are paying.

Posted by Phil Palmer, 14th December 2007 7:18pm

Forget it. You can't fight City Hall.

Posted by George Mortimore, 14th December 2007 7:19pm

As a business owner, who can reclaim VAT on fuel, I still feel that the taxation on every litre is outrageous.
This is what the government makes on each £1 of fuel:
1. 17.5% VAT (17.5p)
2. Fuel Duty (50.19p)
3. 22% corporation tax (22p)
or for Jo Public I'm sure you would've paid AT LEAST 25% PAYE and NI contributions!

So that means out of every £1 you/we spend on fuel the government are taking AT LEAST 89p a litre.

Where does all this money go?
Bring on the protests.

Posted by Daniel French, 14th December 2007 7:19pm

What exactly is the problem? It's fuel resellers that are suddenly very slow to adjust prices now that they have breached the 100p mark. It's easy money for them and nobody notices one pence difference, right?

So, what has the government got to do with that? There's always been tax on fuel, right? What exactly is so different now? Have you ever considered how cheap a country like England is for car drivers? Go compare road tax plus petrol prices on the continent. Cheaper? I think not.

Let's put it plain: if you drive your gas-guzzler 4x4, and you are shouting about 'the government' having to lower taxes to allow you to do so, that's saying that everybody else should be paying your bill. I myself, I would rather not pay your bill indeed.

I hope people think twice before committing themselves to this silly protest. If they want to pay other people's bills, why, let them hand out the money in person - much quicker.

Now here's another proposal. Let us protest for more road and fuel-linked tax, but couple this income to proper spending on road maintenance, road renewal, and parking spaces. Tax cuts for small, emission-efficient cars.

Now there's a cause....discuss.

Posted by Willem Smith, 14th December 2007 7:20pm

For a start there is no longer a Road Fund Licence - it changed to Vehicle Excise Duty years ago.

I think it is unfair to compare fuel prices in Europe or Egypt against the UK for two reasons: the traffic density in Europe - especially Germany - and more so in Egypt is nothing like what it is here; goods transit by rail is MUCH higher in Europe than it is here. They continue to support and subsidise their railways whilst we decimated ours.

Having said that there is still no excuse for the high prices here, inparticular diesel.

Wouldn't it be interesting if MPs had to pay tax on the mileage done in their Gov cars and their free rail travel. That would concentrate their minds wonderfully.

Posted by Woody, 14th December 2007 7:22pm

lets not take it anymore tax tax tax work work work enjoyment on your day off no no no i love driving i also love taking my kids out i work hard lets bring this country to its knees one voice for the thief gordon brown the unelected pm on your bike lets blockade every refinery in the uk never mind special privilages for those in certain occupations one out all out enough is enough lets do what the french do not keen on the frogs but when they blockade they hit hard and effectivley come on bring on the the british bulldog spirit lets show what were made of!!

Posted by Graham Mitchell, 14th December 2007 7:23pm

whats willem smith on obviously not this planet is he a cyclist silly little man what pathetic comments

Posted by Graham Mitchell, 14th December 2007 7:26pm

so you think the crisis hitting this planet is all down to the people of this country eudemus [ post 56 ] we constitute less than 2% of greenhouse gasses at most all the other come from the bull s*** spouted by tree huggers and MPs - if the likes of china were to cut emmisions by two thirds and america the same then we might be interested in trying but as they have no intentions why should we - do you honestly think that if we all got on push bikes and scrapped our cars this shambles of money grabbing own pocket lining liars wouldnt tax the fresh air we would be breathing - i did my bit by buying a car with lpg and guess what your friend gordon has increased the price by 1/3 in the last few months alone - if we stopped handing money to every tom d and harry coming into this country and scrounging we might be able to bring petrol down to what it should be - JUST TO ADD INSULT THE NAME BEGINNING WITH D IS NOT ALLOWED ON THIS BLOG APPARANTLY LOL

Posted by Alan Wright, 14th December 2007 7:26pm

Everyone who has posted above suggesting a boycott of certain petrol companies is talking out of their backsides. For goodness sake, it's not the oil companies! The Government takes over 74p per litre in tax, about 26p per litre is what the oil company charges and the odd 3-4p per litre is what the retailer makes.

Boycott a specific oil company then you are directly affecting the retailer.

Direct action is needed, it needs to be more effective than 2000, let's be honest, that didn't really achieve anything did it?

We should take a leaf out of the French's book, they don't mess about do they!

There is no viable alternative to car usage - FACT

Car Emissions are only a tiny amount of the total CO2 output - FACT

Global warming has happened many times before in this Earths history - FACT

Dinosaurs didn't drive cars - FACT

Posted by Stefan, 14th December 2007 7:28pm

The rest of Europe is cheaper than us and they dont pay road tax as it's tagged on and included in the price they pay for there fuel so if we pay the current going rate then why cant the GOV scrap the road tax?????
So what you use is what you pay for. need i say any more!!!!

Posted by Mal Durham-campbell, 14th December 2007 7:28pm
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