14.12.07 Protesters to fire “warning shot” to the government.

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Transaction 2007, the group behind the fuel protests taking place around the country tomorrow, have said that the protests are aiming to “fire a warning shot to the government.” David Handley, spokesperson for group, warned, “it's our intention to come back in January and let's put it like this, it won't be quite as peaceful as it's going to be tomorrow.”

He continued: “we have got contingency plans for where the next stage of this will go. I'm obviously not going to discuss that because the next element has got to be a surprise. That's the only way that you'll have the impact with government to make them realise that you mean business.”

Handley hopes the protests will show politicians how angry motorists are at rising fuel prices. Transaction 2007 blame the current tax system, whereby duty and VAT are added the price of petrol. He said: “we have not got an issue with tax if tax is totally transparent. It's got to be fair, it's got to be shown that the money that's drawn from the revenue from fuel, should be used to create a better infrastructure, better investment in transport and not used to prop up the inefficient management of the cash flow from government.”

The protests tomorrow will start at 10am at fuel refineries and depots across the country, including those in Manchester, Southampton, Liverpool, Essex, Cardiff, and Lincolnshire. Despite the threat of further, potentially more disruptive action early next year, Handley maintains that tomorrow's action will be peaceful. Transaction 2007 were involved in the fuel protests in 2000, where lorry drivers blockaded refineries, leading to nationwide fuel shortages. But Handley maintained: “we were accused last time by a lot of people who didn't want to take part of not doing it in the correct manner. This time we're doing it in the correct way. We're sending a message in a peaceful form, but if people don't address that and listen to us then 2000 is likely to happen all over again.”

Early indications from polls and comments on our blog have suggested that whilst motorists are angry at rising fuel prices, opinions are divided as to whether targeting refineries is the best method of protest. In addition, only 183 people have said they will be protesting tomorrow. It has been suggested that it would be better to send a petition to the government or protest in London, because they are responsible for the tax on fuel.

However, Stephen Joseph from the Campaign for Better Transport believes that reducing tax on fuel would be the worst thing the government could do. “It gives motorists the false sense of security that they can continue to drive around in their gas guzzlers. High tax acts as an incentive for motorists to switch to greener alternatives.” He continued, “fuel tax in the UK is not drastically higher than the rest of Europe. We are now only around 1% higher than countries such as Germany, France and the Netherlands.”

So are we paying too much in tax on our fuel in the UK? Should we ensure that all our tax gets spent on motoring? Or should we continue to tax at the current rate to encourage greener alternatives?

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CHECK OUT COMMENT 1786!!!

QUITE HAPPY WITH THE PRICE OF FUEL?? ARE YOU FUC~@*G CRAZY MAN??

OBVIOUSLY A POMPUS CITY BOY WITH MONEY TO BURN.

YOU MIGHT BE HAPPY TO RECIEVE A FINANCIAL DRY BUMMING OFF THE GOVERMENT BUT THOSE OF US WITH BALLS WILL DO THE FIGHTING. YOU ARE BEING BLOODY ROBBED YOU IDIOT.

Posted by Chris Taylor, 20th December 2007 9:00am

It is more than just fuel costs it is about being over taxed.

Some £5,000 million each year is being taken off the motorist for what? Choked motorways, cut backs on street maintenance budgets coupled with higher public transport fares that discourage any altenative. Contact your Member of Parliament about more of a say on where the money being taken from your pockets goes - Northern Rock would not be my choice!

Posted by Joe Weiss, 20th December 2007 9:46am

I am quite happy with the price of fuel. Don't know what all the fuss is about!!

Posted by Anne Giles, 19th December 2007 7:11pm
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you bloody mad or just stupid

Posted by Kevin Dell, 19th December 2007 7:36pm
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Kevin i totally agree with you!

It's because of people like Anne, who are prepared to pay whatever the price is for petrol/diesel, and who will queue up at the most expensive station in their county - because it's 500 yards closer to their house than the cheaper stations, that the government continue to ignore our requests and protests to reduce the cost of duty on fuel and instead increase it!

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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - BRITISH PEOPLE ALWAYS JUST SEEM TO LIE DOWN AND TAKE IT FROM THE GOVERNMENT _ WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND NOW AND LET THEM KNOW HOW WE REALLY FEEL ABOUT THIS.
I FULLY SUPPORT ANY LEGAL PROTEST.
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Posted by A Concerned Motorist, 20th December 2007 9:48am

I'm not convinced about a fuel protest - its not tax which has drastically gone up in recent weeks.
I do however agree that the tax on fuel is too high and that the government could find the money elsewhere. Rather than more tax on alcohol and cigarettes, how about a plastic bag tax? No one likes them and they pollute the environment!

Posted by Elaine, 20th December 2007 11:10am

I once read in a motoring mag that millions of gallons of fuel could be saved every year by surfacing the roads with better material but the government insists on using the cheapest material because it saves them money while they get more back in fuel duty. It's all at our expense, that is the problem with taxes like these.

We aren't seeing any benefit from all this extra tax because it's all going to prop up the corrupt regime in Brussels. An extra £7 billion per year was handed over just a few weeks ago.

Posted by Peters, 20th December 2007 1:04pm

I do do not believe that there is any case for a government benefiting from a windfall tax and therefore vat or duty should now be reduced to the extend that the government published in its revenue budget last year.
While I sympathize with the green view that high prices will change consumption habits, with average vehicle ownership being around three years. it will take time for drivers to move to more efficient vehicles and industry longer, to have the effect of reducing emissions (in fact EU rulings for manufacturers to reduce emissions will have a far greater impact).

In the short term the Government's greed has the effect of increasing regressive taxation (is this a socialist government?!) and unfortunately will doubtless lead them to spend it so when it all bottoms out they will have to raise other taxes because their windfall cannot last for ever. But while it does. it will continue to hurt those the most, that cannot afford it - not to mention increased transport inflation which is simply passed on to the uk consumer in higher prices for food and other products

Good luck to any protest

Posted by David Palmer, 20th December 2007 1:33pm

My small business is feeling the pinch with diesel now 109.9 by me, I did try using bio diesel until I found out the guy was selling old vegetable oil from KFC and it clogged my engine up.
I have never seen such a lack of empathy in this country, we complain how bad the programmes are on BBC yet merrily go on paying the licence fee, we moan about the rising council tax fee's yet do nothing (except the odd few who get my support) and then the petrol prices, moan moan moan and keep on filling up those fuel tanks! I support the more direct approach of clogging up the system like they do in France, give the people some power back and show mr numpty at number 10 who really holds the power.

Posted by Jon Taylor, 20th December 2007 2:15pm

High fuel prices cost countless jobs due to people on low income unable to afford to travel any distance to work. the manpower shortage is then filled by immigration with a transit workforce,were by the Government are then able to call the indigenous workforce lazy scroungers .The price of fuel and travel shouldn't put anyone in this predicament and all politicians should be aware that they may be the next to be looking for work on foot.

Posted by Jack Wray, 20th December 2007 4:20pm

Don't know why but for some reason your email was delayed getting to me. Please be assured that if I had received it before the planned protest I would most certainly have been there to support you. The psycological pound a litre barrier was approached last time to soften us up for the latest assault, this time they have surpassed it with a vengence & we are still moaning at the pumps. It really is time to do something about it, the sooner the better, the financial implications for me & my family are disasterous.

Posted by Cliff Sellers, 20th December 2007 6:09pm

ALL businesses have to have annual accounts. The Government is the biggest business in the country. If they were made to publicise how much money they get in and how it's spent, I'm sure there would be a lot less wastage (eg MP's "expenses", etc) and less excuse for high taxes on ANYthing, not just fuel. After all, it's OUR money they're spending - shouldn't we be entitled to know where it's going?

Posted by Maggie, 20th December 2007 6:16pm

Don't know why but for some reason your email was delayed getting to me. Please be assured that if I had received it before the planned protest I would most certainly have been there to support you. The psycological pound a litre barrier was approached last time to soften us up for the latest assault, this time they have surpassed it with a vengence & we are still moaning at the pumps. It really is time to do something about it, the sooner the better, the financial implications for me & my family are disasterous.

Posted by Cliff Sellers, 20th December 2007 6:16pm

1810: Sorry, what? You mean you've never thought to go to the HM Treasury website and see where the money goes? Funnily enough, it's not illegal to ask what our money is spent on, and it's more than easily obtainable.

I think you have an axe to grind and evidently didn't look too hard.

Posted by Nick Edwards, 20th December 2007 6:38pm

That guy Willem Smith is definitely not on this planet, can he not realise that for every penny this greedy so called Government collects from fuel it also forces the price of everything else up.
Willem probably will not notice this as he will most likely be stuffing his HOLE with carrots from his veg plot.

Posted by Raymond Manning, 20th December 2007 7:06pm

I hope this government does pay attention to the "warning shot" of December 15th. Alas, I believe they are so arrogant they will not! So bring on the blockades! It may cause all of us motorists a bit of incovenience but we need this action to make them see how fed up, with these almost daily rises in fuel cost, we are. A reduction in fuel prices would of course be a welcome relief to us all but just as important, the knowledge that our fuel tax was being put back into the transport sytem would be a welcome, though I fear unlikely statement for this government to make!

Posted by Simon Jocelyn, 20th December 2007 9:37pm

The only way the fuel protests will work is if there is huge support for them thats the main reason they had such a dramatic impact in 2000. therefore if we are goin to make these protests of jan 2008 successful we need to start gathering suport for them i.e the word now needs to be spread around as much as possible as to when there to take place and to where info on the lastest where abouts of the protests are (when there just about to start) after all people can not go and support them if they have no info on where and when they are. this info needss to be spread through the media as much as possible in the days leading up to the protest while not giving to much away in order to keep the suprise eliment of the protest going! These protests can work if people know whats going on because theres so much support for the protest its just people need to know how, when and where to give it

Posted by Oli, 20th December 2007 9:38pm

as a law abiding citizen who regularly refuses the offer of red deisel; what i do is soon going to be beyond even me. I dont drink,smoke,gamble, and care for the reprobate and unwashed:
I support the blog and protest and hope that someone somewhere will take note and acknowledge the great British spirit which is this great country in which we keep on going the extra mile in:

Posted by Big Bill Fae Glesga, 20th December 2007 11:08pm

the costs of petrol now has come down to either putting petrol in the car as we live in a rural area and my 80 year old father lives 30 miles from me who i care for, or actually putting food on the table and don't ask when the last time i was able to buy clothes for my children never mind myself. Out of £200 a wk i pay out nearly £60 a week on fuel

Posted by Juliana Sims, 21st December 2007 7:10am

Nothing is a quick fix, but I can remember when the Oil and Gas deposits were found, we were promised fee oil and gas-- never happened. Also decades ago fuel duty revinue was used for its intended purpose improving the infrastructure. What we need to do is Scrap Tax completely then do away with the road fund licence, then apply a new basic tax to fuel, then highe end users would proportionatly pay more which is not the case today I drive less than 2000 miles a year i am disabled and need my car I have to pay the full road fund licence even though my car may stand idle for days sometimes weeks and i cannot afford to do highe ilages on the cost of fuel as it is, if something isnt done very soon we will find not only will we be paying proportionally higher taxes but the roads we already fay for under the road licence fund will become pay as you go another cash monkey for national and local goverment. the motorist and esspecialy uk ones ate a soft target as generally we spout and splutter and do nothing. just lool at the french hauliers or ferry workers to see how a unified and totally peacfull( mainly) protest can influence the goverment unless we change our ways the uk partys know this and will continue to exploit it

Posted by Scott Gibson, 21st December 2007 11:03am

we are getting conned rotten no wonder gordon brown would not go to the polls he may be daft but he;s *no silly*
maybe PRUDANCE should the country?

Posted by Ian Greig, 21st December 2007 11:47am

It has been difficult to keep my car running and I am sorry that I would not agree if someone somking like hell and accusing me not being enviromentally friendly. I believe that I am GREEN enough in my life so far.

Posted by Piggy, 21st December 2007 1:07pm

Unfortunately I don't think peacful protests will work with this government - lets face it they all took to the streets in the poll tax riots when they were idealistic solcialist students to get their own way.

At the very least it needs to be mass protest in London or better still in their own constituencies - trip to Scotland anyone!! They expect apathy and compliance (because we're not French) but no election, no referendum, what next??? they don't think they are accountable to anyone, they need to be shown otherwise.

BTW. Why is everyone obsessed with taxing "gas guzzlers"? Don't get fooled by the governments "Green" stance on the global warming inducing, Upper Class 4X4 drivers. It's class war not green and we should all check what the government classifies as a gas guzzler - you'd be surprised.

Any way global warming is a myth (read the stats they don't publish); that cars can therefore contribute to global warming is a myth, and that this government has the best interests of the country at heart is the biggest myth of all.

Posted by Paul In London, 21st December 2007 4:46pm

This government robs us of everything else and get away with it. Why not fuel? Unfortunately we are a nation of polite patience but it is time to make our voices heard. Things are not getting better no matter what our government tries to make us believe (while burying the truth or spinning it out of proportion that even they aren't sure what they are talking about). This government has a thing for taxes and at each turn they will think of new ways of squeezing us all the while they are getting richer and richer. Just take Blair for instance. He started this whole thing and then walked away knowing full well that he and his are untouchable while we are always nearing the breadline. I'm all for protesting but I don't think it will make any difference somehow.

Posted by Della Santos, 21st December 2007 7:24pm

As others have said: this lying, scheming government, that has had the most devious and under-handed chancellor imagineable - now prime minister of course - has reneged on every single one of its 1997 election manifesto promises. My small business is drowning under red-tape (IR35, S660, MSC, MSP etc... all new from them) and I am personally taxed to the hilt, not openly of course, but by stealth.

Remember when Brown, as chancellor, promised not to increase income tax... but then immediately put national insurance up instead? That 1% comes from your pay-packet in *exactly* the same way. And they have racked up employer's national insurance too, by several percent, which as an employee you don't see but it's why your employer can't afford to give you a pay rise... the government stole it from you! And then we're stealth taxed to the hilt through fuel duty etc, ever rising, and then VAT on top of that!

And for what? So that they can put it into their coffers now, ready for spending on generous schemes in one or two years time... just before the next election in the hope of buying themselves more votes, using our money!

This government - and the current prime minister in particular - is an utter disgrace; they deserve to be brought down. Sadly I can't see these protests achieving that, no matter how well managed they are, but they may at least give the government a bruise or two and show them that we've had enough of being bullied and robbed blind, just to bolster their coffers to introduce schemes to try and buy themselves yet another term in office, to push this country still further into the dark ages.

Yes, I support the protests!

Posted by Andrew, 14th December

Agree with the above wholeheartedly, couldn't have got it more right. The government are highway robbers.

Posted by Pat, 21st December 2007 10:10pm

"As others have said: this lying, scheming government, that has had the most devious and under-handed chancellor imagineable - now prime minister of course - has reneged on every single one of its 1997 election manifesto promises. My small business is drowning under red-tape (IR35, S660, MSC, MSP etc... all new from them) and I am personally taxed to the hilt, not openly of course, but by stealth.

Remember when Brown, as chancellor, promised not to increase income tax... but then immediately put national insurance up instead? That 1% comes from your pay-packet in *exactly* the same way. And they have racked up employer's national insurance too, by several percent, which as an employee you don't see but it's why your employer can't afford to give you a pay rise... the government stole it from you! And then we're stealth taxed to the hilt through fuel duty etc, ever rising, and then VAT on top of that!

And for what? So that they can put it into their coffers now, ready for spending on generous schemes in one or two years time... just before the next election in the hope of buying themselves more votes, using our money!

This government - and the current prime minister in particular - is an utter disgrace; they deserve to be brought down. Sadly I can't see these protests achieving that, no matter how well managed they are, but they may at least give the government a bruise or two and show them that we've had enough of being bullied and robbed blind, just to bolster their coffers to introduce schemes to try and buy themselves yet another term in office, to push this country still further into the dark ages."

I agree wholeheartedly with the above posted by Andrew. The government are highway robbers and our prime minister Turpin.

Posted by Pat Gowing, 21st December 2007 10:21pm

this government has conned us in every way possible since elected , they look for any way to make extra money simply because they cannot make the books ballance , this hike in fuel price is just another example
I WAS ONCE PROUD OF MY COUNTRY NOW I CANT WAIT TO GET AWAY TO A COUNTRY WHERE THE GOVERNMENT LOOKS AFTER ITS OWN PEOPLE

Posted by W Brad, 22nd December 2007 12:30am

It is about time this greedy government put themselves in the real world instead of living with their heads buried in the sand, we would not be paying rip off prices for fuel and other items if this lot who are supposed to be educated spent the taxes they collect on the people who deserve it. Instead of giving illegal immigrants £4000.00 to return home it should be used to cut our taxes, give cancer patients and other deserving people the treatment they are entitled to, also look after our pensioners like other european countries. I have just returned from Lanzarote where petrol is around 80 cents per litre. When you get e1.35 to £1 it proves who is the poor relation in the E U. Keep up the protest it is the only language Mr. Bean (our prime minister) understands.

Posted by Michael Jackson, 22nd December 2007 12:14pm

this and previous governments have run ruff shod over motorists for long enough??? Its about time we stood firm and made them listen to us.
THE GOVERNMENT TAKE FAR TO MUCH TAX OFF OF US FOR EVER LITRE WE USE.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH BROWN AND CO, SO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT !!!!!!!

Posted by Jeannette Elizabeth Bryan, 22nd December 2007 1:35pm

This protest is not just about petrol, it's the fact that everyone is sick and tired of being treated like fools and being taxed to death, taxes on taxes, eg the tax and duty paid on the petrol is payed for with the taxed and national insuranced pay. What tax rate does that equal?

To actually go ahead with the planned increases in the tax on petrol with the price rising as it is, just proves that this government haven't an ounce of regard for the population's way of life. Just vote them out in May 2008 at the local elections and see how they like that!

Posted by Tony, 22nd December 2007 1:49pm

We are getting ripped off on petrol, how is everyone going to live with these rediculous prices.

Posted by Sharif Uddin, 22nd December 2007 3:18pm

I first purchased a vehicle when petrol cost 4/6d a gallon. Since government has caused me to be less and less economical with the use of my transport. My camper used through the summer while the Morris Minor had major spare time servicing. Summer use camper doubled for holidays, home improvement goods transporter, work transport, road alterations made cycling inpracticle. M.O.T. Insurance costs cause me to keep only the one work horse on the road, being a workhorse it has to be suitable for the larger jobs.
I am retired but government does its utmost to stop me working even to keep myself self-sufficient. All contrary to their green policy statements. We all know stopping and starting wastes energy. So what about Traffic calming, junction traffic lights, lack of parking, use of motorways as local bypass etc. I only just started. Bet you can add many more anti economy acts by government of all levels.

Posted by Eric Goldup, 22nd December 2007 8:32pm

I agree with everything you say about the cost of fuel and the money being used to subsidise other departments and in most cases where the government had earlier given the people some token of return out these departments to make them think that they were getting something for nothing.
In my opionin this government will not take a bit of notice of what the people want, say or do on any subject - the EU referendum is a perfect example because they either outstay or don't get involved in issues and know that eventually it will all blow over. Invariably the majority of the issues don't affect them in their Ivory Towers so there attitude is "let them fight it out amongst themselves" and it will all blow away!! Invaribly it does just that.

Posted by William Pinkerton, 23rd December 2007 1:52pm

I'm not aginest paying current prices for fuel, but I should be able to go and see my brother with out thinking that it's going to cost me a couple of ours wages.

I don't care how I get there eather by train, car, or bus. But I should be able to do my every day business, with out wasting hours for trains, buses or, sat in traffic in my car. All I want it to get from a to b at a resnable amount, in a resonable time. Which currently is not the case how every you travel.

Posted by Gavin Davies, 23rd December 2007 3:17pm

Eric , post 1830 above has also highlighted the problem of increased petrol usage due to the stupid governement policies of so called traffic calming. What a load of rubbish - we must waste more petrol stopping and starting in queues of traffic that are caused by the number of traffic lights they have installed and dodging the speed bumps, built out pavements and other death traps that are there to catch us out now.

Most of the pelican crossings in my town APPEAR to be pelican crossings but, if you stand there and watch, it can be seen than they are TRAFFIC LIGHTS ONLY and the button for the apparant pelican crossing does nothing at all. People press it and it does nothing until the traffic lights work AND THEN THEY WORK WHEN THERE IS NOBODY THERE TO CROSS, AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. The traffic queues are from the suburbs all the way back to the centre of the city due to this.

If they altered these to proper pelican crossings the traffic would be moving most of the time and the queues would go. After all, any time that the traffic lights have broken down, there are no traffic queues to be seen!!!!! They are just collecting more tax and vat while we all queue up wasting the petrol. What a laugh!!

At least one main arterial A road (A61) near to where I live has been made into a SINGLE lane for cars with a traffic light stopping at about avery 20 seconds. The other lane is a pure bus lane for a few buses per hour. The queue of cars on here nearly stretches to the next town believe it or not. How much petrol here is being wasted in the queue of this length. (not to mention the pollution being produced). So much for global warming and co2.

Posted by Tony, 24th December 2007 3:20am

taxation shouldn't be used to penalise or encourage people to move to greener options that they probably can't afford. These measures should be aimed at the manufacturers and the governments departments.
John Tilley/

Posted by John Tilley, 24th December 2007 11:28am

I am sick of hearing about gas guzzlers. The fact is that the people who run the so called gas guzzlers can also afford the price of the petrol no matter what it costs. Therefore, taxing fuel in this way does nothing to stop the gas guzzlers, it only affects the people who need their cars for work.
Nobody wants to drive 50 or more miles to work but unfortunately this is a reality because of the lack of jobs in certain areas and public transport is not a realistic option unless you can afford 3 hours each way out of your day.
If gas guzzlers are really a problem for the Government then they should have the balls to do something to stop the sale of these in the UK but lets face it that would only lose them seats and we can't have that.

Posted by William Jackson, 24th December 2007 1:08pm

If we scrap the tax on fuel completely, we'll put so many more cars and trucks on the road that nothing will ever move and we can all just stay in bed! Less tax? Utter rubbish. Its about time you dinosaurs woke up and start thinking about somebody other than just yourself the whole time.

Iain McLeod

Posted by Iain Mcleod, 24th December 2007 4:49pm

Well spoken, Iain. The point is that road tax income should be ringfenced for road improvement. I drive through 9 roundabouts in 11 miles on what the british call an 'A' road - spending some on proper connections will help the environment by easing congestion. England is a third world-country when it comes to roads.

People do pay a lot more road tax on the continent, by the way (contrary to what a previous poster said), which is apparent from the superior state of infrastructure over there (I have lived in a few european countries and traveled through a few more).

I believe that containment of traffic is doable - but it will cost some. So tax the hell out of fuel, which will provide an incentive to manufacturers to provide better cars (when people like graham smith don't buy them anymore). I agree with John Tilley that this is not the way it should work, but when politicians have close connections to industry like here, industrial taxation is not going to happen anytime soon.

Posted by Willem, 24th December 2007 6:46pm

Post 1837 is misinformed. Whilst the roads on the continent ie Spain and France are excellent and are far superior to British roads, they have been paid for by the funds from the European Community of which a gigantic proportion has come from our own tax system. You yourself have contributed to these roads.

The British roads are in an appaling state of repair being mainly a patchwork quilt to ruin your suspension and tyres (and I know because the journey I take back in the evening makes me feel physically sick because of the lumps and bumps for miles)

Is it not fair to pay for the product that you are using with an extra amount as profit built in for the producers so they can run their company. The governement should not be adding an amount that is totally excessive so much so that some people are using the money to buy petrol instead of food, due to various work commitments.

Perhaps if post 1836 is happy with the tax, which will no doubt will be vastly incrreased in the future, perhaps he should put forward an option where those who are happy can pay the full amount whilst those who think it is excessive can pay a lower amount and thus cancel each other out!!!

Please get real as, if they keep increasing prices of everything and everyone agrees to it, you will have no money at all to spend soon as wages are not rising in line with the increases you are getting poorer all the time.

And by the way I would check out the amount of industrial and corporation taxation and capital gains tax as it is crippling the growth of industry and reducing the opportunities of creating more jobs. If capital gains tax is not sorted out soon many small companies will be closing down before April 2008 as they will have to sell-up to avoid being totally ruined. And tonight's news where beer will soon be £4.00 per pint!!? Talk about high tax.

Posted by Tony, 25th December 2007 2:18am

i am in full agreement with your aims and believe if we stick together we will achieve our aims to have the same as our so called european partners a n even handed tax on petrol thanks for your efforts i know it is not with out cost all this protesting

Posted by James Cullinan, 27th December 2007 11:40am

Okay, petition route does not work, nor does blocades, nor does the daft boycott the BP pumps.

So how about boycotting the price fixers ? Promotions have finished now, but IF two leading Supermarkets could offer a 5p off per litre if you spent £50 instore, surely they had at the least, 5p they could have passed onto us ? So how about using petrolprices to get your cheapest alternative petrol station (mine is actually closer than any supermarket) boycott the supermarkets and start a price war ??

Posted by Noone, 27th December 2007 7:47pm

If the The Government are so concerned about the Environment they should promote the sales and fitment of LPG
A cheaper way of transport and cleaner.
But I suspect the issue here is TAX TAX TAX And lets pretend we care about the world.

As for LPG inPlymouth, (Its A Joke) Only 2 stations sell it in the City Boundary
and one of them is closing by an ESSO take over. And they wont supply GAS.

This country is a Lauging Stock
One out All Out.

Posted by Peter Endean, 29th December 2007 1:06pm

If tax on petrol in Britain is only 1% more than in France and Germany etc., then why is it that petrol in France is currently between 40 and 50 pence a gallon cheaper than in Britain ?

Posted by Norman Whittington, 29th December 2007 1:48pm

I aggree with Government protest.
But you need to target specific area's of Hurt.
(Issue ALL MPS & LORDS With smartcars)

It is not just the situation of Petrol Pricing, It is everything we stand for
As TRUE British.
We are being fleeced by Civil Servants every day by Draconian regulations, that are impossible to follow.

But at least the AIR we breath is free. Watch that space !!!

Blocking London would certainly affect government officials travelling to work.
But this would also affect the average man trying to earn a living.

Boycotting the Petrol STATIONS would only hurt the franchise retailer, and close them down, After all the amount they gain from a litre is only pence.

As I See it, on the TAX Issue of fuel, the only way you can hurt the Government and the Oil Companies is by blockading refineries PERIOD.

Whatever course the protest takes, It has to be carefully planned, Kept to a minimum od disruption for the Vast Majority. But on a REGULAR basis.
And MUST Be peacefull and WELL Supported

A National day at home would be good, if the weather is nice.

I believe if you are angry or disgruntled with our "Fabulous" Govt, The WHOLE country should pass a vote of No Confidence.
Set up a Co-alittion Government. With real people.

Perhaps the Website Owners of Petrol Prices.com could set up a forum/blog
of Government Support, Or Not as the case may be.

Vive La Justice
And a Happy 2008 to you all. (I HOPE)

Posted by John From Devon, 29th December 2007 4:15pm

I urge everyone to click on the transaction2007 link at the top of this page and sign up on there as well, show these guys they have our support as well, these are the same guys who did the blockades in 2000, they have learnt from there mistakes then, and now due to goverment law changes are unable to blockade refinerys, so they are looking at other ways to get the message across to gorden brown and his chums. they need and want the support from normal drivers like us, so go give them that support.

Posted by Kev In Wiltshire, 29th December 2007 6:10pm

what i thnk is that all hauliers should withdraw there services and blockade all major ports and fuel depots and bring the country to a standstill just like france do, then the government might take notice

Posted by Reita Billington, 30th December 2007 12:00am

Unfortunatley the vote doesn't reflect national average feeling, as nobody has the nerve come out on mass to give the goverment a bloody nose. Until this happens nothing will ever change. I should know as I'm a trucker and we're find it increasingly more difficult to get by. So we have increase our prices which inturn has a majour effect on inflation, so come on everybody stick together and come and support the protests. After all if nobody felt that fuel was to expensive no one would view this site.

Posted by Richard J Such, 30th December 2007 7:41pm

only one thing will get a change****and it may not be for the better***

put the s. n. p. in it could not be any worse

Posted by Ian Greig, 30th December 2007 8:34pm

If you want this to chang do it by voting at an election. It is our only way of truly having a say that matters. If you don't then idiotic lefties give this lot the mandate to do what they want with tax and now look at us. The most taxed generation ever! We have a pathetic Prime Minister who hides behind a reputation that is misplaced behind economic stability. Believe me if you look at his record it is actually just luck and it is now his policies are working out.

The cost of living including and most of all petrol is going to continue to rise. Fact! Vote at an election and get this pathetic and ridiculous excuse for a government out before they tell you its bad for your health and ban it!
Gordon Brown has had a huge say in all policy over the last ten years and worst of all it is he that is responsible for tax over the last ten.

Vote and get this clown out! For god sake we must realize its actually our only way of changing things. This government is so power drunk it doesn't care what we think but wishes to think for us.

Posted by Brett Olson, 1st January 2008 2:16am

Re:
"you bloody mad or just stupid"
By Kevin Dell, 19th December 2007 7:36pm

What right do you think you have to be critical and abusive to someone who has expressed a valid opinion on the price of petrol?

What's your problem? Don't like it when someone else has an opinion that does not match yours? You are one sad pathetic poor little insignificant nothing.

Posted by Gordieb, 1st January 2008 5:41pm

I totally agree with what you are doing, the price for fuel is disgusting and its about time the British people stood up for some thing and let the government know how it feels, lets hope they listen although they didn't listen with the war in Iraq!!! Lets show them we are not happy

Posted by Jayne Smith, 3rd January 2008 4:36pm

Leave the refineries and suppliers alone people......Its not their fault the price of fuel is like it is.....Gordon Brown and his clowns should be Primary Targets with a sustained dosage of Direct action like the froggies have successfully done and like airline companies here in UK will be doing soon......
Bring the main arteries to a COMPLETE standstill.....Get the Ferries, hauliers, rail/bus Networks on board and lead by militancy with the so called Law if necessary. Just dont give up again!....You wont get another chance like this one when Browns popularity is so low and the people are seeing what a magalamaniac he really is. Brown needs to be reminded that he serves us! and not the other way round!(That was his pledge to the Queen)....All he serves and those before him are themselves and their own greed for power which has all too many time , led to corruption to which we have had to pay the ultimate price..

Posted by Don Abbott, 3rd January 2008 4:54pm

Yes, I detest paying tax. Tax is payable so much on everything.
People dont realise that when fuel tax/price on fuel goes up, everything else goes up because EVERYTHING goes by road.

My argument is that, why the hell should we be forced to pay this excessive amount of UK tax on fuel, when all these foreign scumbag truck drivers pay absolutley nothing. They fill up at cheaper countries, as previously described, such as Spain etc, drive to Scotland and back and because their fuel tanks are so large, they can get back to spain without having to put any fuel in!!

Then theres the road tax. Yet again foreign scumbag truckers pay no road tax, yet a very high proportion of motorway accidents is caused by these scumbags. The governments answer is to GIVE them convex mirrors so they can see down the BLIND side. Who is paying for these mirrors?? Us UK tax payers.

BAN FOREIGN TRUCKERS FROM THE ROADS.

If not, make them pay a masive amount of pay as you drive tax.

This government is the worst goverment ever. Why can the British public not see this???????????????????????????????????????????????????

People blame the conservatives about nationalising all of the major industries. I'll tell you all that it was a Labour Govenment under Ted Heath who started this. There we go LABOUR yet again!!!!!!!!!!

Best way to make the government see how unhappy us motorists are is to bring London to a standstill with protests. Do you really think Gordon Brown cares when the M6/M5/M4 is at standstill or when the refineries are blockaded? NO.

Will he care when he cant use his JAG anywhere in London or be forced to walk?? I think he'll be bothered then.

Bring it on.

Final argument: Just think about this. When prices of fuel rise, haulage companies have to pass this cost on to us, the consumers. When prices in shops rise, the government is making even more TAX because of VAT.

Posted by Robert Nadin, 4th January 2008 1:43pm

Re: Robert Nadin (above ^)

To quote - "I'll tell you all that it was a Labour Govenment under Ted Heath who started this."

Huh? Is this the same Ted Heath who was leader of the Conservative Party from 1965-1975?

Final argument: You are one ignorant scumbag yourself Mr Nadin.

Posted by Gordieb, 4th January 2008 4:19pm

There have been many reports of late, signposting that we as a civilisation are heading for ecological catastrophe. These include the 2006 United Nations Millennium Ecosystem Report, the Stern Report and latterly, the report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). All of these paint a disquieting, plausible portrait of an Earth inching toward the brink of abrupt catastrophic planetary collapse, and challenges us to transform our current parasitic relationship with the Earth that sustains us.

We must realise now that attaining a "reasonable lifestyle" cannot be accomplished with sledgehammer tactics of the past. In our blind struggle for the survival of the fittest, richest and most acquisitive, we seem to have forgotten many of the fundamentals necessary to support all life. It has long been assumed by neo-classical economic models that the sum of individual demands somehow equalled a broader social good, and commercial interests, designer politicians and errant economists continue to tout this view with renewed vigour.

All scientific evidence so far, supports that fact that our current "reasonable lifestyle" based on this neo-classical "consumption assumption", could turn our big blue marble into just another cold dead rock - as described by physicist John E. Brandenburg and science writer Monica Rix Paxson in the book Dead Mars, Dying Earth.

On a more practical and immediate note, now that oil has broken the 100 Dollar a barrel mark, some oil strategists predict that the whole industrial culture will at some point start breaking down and that a world without oil, is not a world that can support 6 billion human beings. It is not a world that can support 3 billion. It may not even be a world that can support one billion, as transportation, power and other oil-dependent products and services will become much more expensive.

They envision a catastrophic end to the era of fossil-fuel exploitation, a radical collapse of the entire world industrial system within the 21st century, a collapse that, they say, actually began about the year 2000, will quicken in pace till about 2012, and then drop off a cliff in the run-up to about 2030, when the lights will have begun to go out permanently, and there will be, so to speak, a need to train "candle makers", if wax can be found.

The maths is done. No amount of alternatives will replace the demands of the many rapacious, energy hungry economies that exist at present. Not coal, not gas, not nuclear, not solar, not fuel cells, not wind, not anything. The prospects for all of these options are well reviewed and found wanting. We are building our way in to the "Big Empty" and the undoing of this "Earth Rape", inadvertently called "progress" will inevitably happen.

Then we will no longer consume more than nature can provide and waste more than nature can clear away. So Stefan, you can join the dinosaurs and ask them why they never drove cars?

Posted by John Fitzgerald, 6th January 2008 1:34pm

Have been in the USA since 15 December so have rather lost touch with the arguement and any action being taken.

However I was not best pleased to have to pay £1.10 / litre for diesel for my pick-up ysterday to get to work.

I the USA they are violent about petrol, prices which have risen in line with crude costs. In August a (US) gallon of 91 octane was $2.39, it is now $2.79.

In comparison based on $2 = £1 and 4 litres = I gal US, we are paying $8.80 / US gallon or just over 3 times as much.

In reality as I was driving a 5.7 litre 4 wheel I was probably paying about the same per mile as I think it's MPG is in single figures.

It's a lot less painful though when a tank full is less than £30.00

Posted by Dave Gittins, 7th January 2008 8:45am

It is irony that we call ourselves advanced with third class train service, second class road conditions and one of the world's most expensive train and road fare/tax system including fuel tax on price.

It seems our Government has to learn from others how to subsidise or be efficient not to charge through roofs to its public................

Posted by Argoub Dawadi, 8th January 2008 7:13pm

Ladies and Gentlemen,
I missed the demo as I was in Afghanistan! For this, I apologise!

It is indeed time that we had a revolution and threw out this government and it's like ly successor's, as they will only pay lip service to the public's needs and wants!

It is time that political parties were disbanded and time that the electorate installed with her Majesty's pemission, only individuals who truly represent the British people.

One problem of course is that any ring leader's actively attempting to overthrow the government of Great Britain would belikely to arrest under terrorism and treason charges.

All interested? Please blog me!
Gordon.

Posted by Gordon Ross, 9th January 2008 3:05pm

Don't forget that Fuel Duty is part of the calculation that is subject to VAT, so that in effect we are paying 60.5p per litre, not the 51.5p that is the official level of Fuel Duty.

Posted by Ian Sandeman, 9th January 2008 5:05pm

Don't forget that Fuel Duty is part of the calculation that is subject to VAT, so that in effect we are paying 60.5p per litre, not the 51.5p that is the official level of Fuel Duty.

Posted by Ian Sandeman, 9th January 2008 5:08pm

Has all this gone the way it usually does.just moan and accept it, seems so to me anyway. As there has been no protest, and no reduction in the price, in fact, it just keeps going up and up,when will it stop, also I always thought that we were an Oil producing Country were has all ours gone,probably sold off to foreignors like everything else,that belongs to the British Public

Posted by M.murphy, 15th January 2008 7:44pm

Clamping parked cars is an even worse way to raise money. It should be illegal to take another person's car off them. The cost of recovery puts our unfair fuel tax in the shade.

The French public stuck glue in the clamps every time they saw them. There are no clamps in France any longer. A lesson for us? Direct peaceful action can work if the public decides to unite.

Posted by John Lander, 16th January 2008 12:51pm

is anyone else having trouble getting onto the transaction web site

Posted by Kevin Dell, 20th January 2008 7:41am

The Governers are blocking it.

Posted by Gordieb, 20th January 2008 12:44pm

The country is on its knees thanks to the Labour Government! They do it every time. I remember the winter of discontent 78/79 when we couldn't bury our dead, no bins were emptied and we replied on green godesses! That was all thanks to Labour Gov of the day. Get them out or we wont have a country left at all!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Linda Evans, 22nd January 2008 9:40pm

When oh when are the protests to begin? the price of fuel is still going up & if the 2p tax increase in April goes ahead we will be paying nearly 20% more than 3/4 months ago.

If the Govermant is making so much extra money from fuel tax & Vat, where is it spending it on? Not on education, transport, hospitals etc.

Is it being stored for future election purses?

Posted by Tom Muir, 23rd January 2008 10:50am

Having just been to Tescos to fill my car up with £60 worth of unleaded, I asked why the cost of fuel hasnt dropped due to the cost of brent crude oil falling to$86 yesterday, they couldn tell me, but did give me the telephone number of someonr who should no, its 0800505555 oppton 5 I suggest everyone rings this number and ask why. the answer i got was its down to the buyers, so i asked them to ask the buyers why theu havent demanded a lowering in the costm they will be putting that question to themand getting back to me, I WONT HOLD MY BREATH.

Once again here is the number to call 0800505555

Posted by Kev, 24th January 2008 4:25pm

Posted by Kev, 24th January 2008 6:16pm

I'm new to this Blog so here are my opinions.

We pay tax on fuel at a rate of over 400%.
We pay road tax at over £200 for a year.
I'm not even going to list all the taxfor purchasing cars having MOTs and the fines we pay for the increasing number of road offences (It's easier to catch the people in the tin cans than the murderers, robbers and rapists that are hiding round the corner)
The money we pay for all this tax is not spent on roads (only about 20% of the road tax is used on roads) it's spent on the huge bureaucracy that has grown up in lodon and europe. It's to pay for the new Trident that wll never be used and is not needed, and other huge systems like the ID cards that wll never work.

If you want direct action then get one of the big Oil companies to do it.
We should all pick a major company to boycot. Imagine if noone bought say BP until the tax was cut to a more reasonable level. It just might work. I have some sympathy with the oil companies as the margins they work with can get very tight but we need them because they have a BIG political voice in westminster.

Duma

Posted by Peter D, 5th February 2008 1:18pm

diesel prices used to be between 5-10p a litre cheaper than petrol,but the price is higher now but people still think there are getting a bargain because road tax is a lot cheaper than petrol cars,does the goverment think the car drivers in this country are dumb ??? on another point while im on a roll IF this wasteful goverment is genuinely interested in reducing co2 there should be grants available for bio cars,lpg cars,duel fuel cars etc,that would appease the green brigade,but they wont do that because they are getting to much tax and vat from a litre of diesel fuel.

Posted by Stewart Marshall, 12th February 2008 12:47am

I can quite understand that when the cost of crude rises to over $100 a barrell, then petrol/deisel prices will rise on the forecourt.
What annoys me is that crude is now well under $90 dollars a barrell and has been for over a month.
Why then are fuel prices not dropping as quickly as they went up. Do they think that now we have broken the £1 a litre barrier, we will get used to paying it.
Well like a lot of other areas in this country we are being ripped off, and the government need to realise that while they may enjoy the benefits of the increased revenue will be no compensation when the loose the next election.
I have been a life long labour supporter, but no more I am sick to death of being ripped off. I am not to sure about direct action, but lobby your MP and let them know they will loose your vote.

Posted by Dave Marsh, 12th February 2008 9:50am

None of these protests have amounted to anything more than a slight inconvenience, because the numbers of protestors has never come near to the "critical mass " that will make them felt. Maybe what we want is some solidarity, as in France. I'd bet that if their fuel prices had risen, like ours, over the years, they would have got a favourable response from their government. Our lot don't listen, because when they shut their ears, the problems go away. And, please explain to me why we pay (I think) more for our fuel than most people elsewhere in the world - haven't their crude prices risen by the same amount as ours?

Posted by Anthony Breed, 13th February 2008 6:50pm

We are going about this the wrong way. We should have a campaign wher one day a week nobody drives there car to get to work we all atempt to use public transport. The bosses will just have to live with people being late or not arriving. At the same time one week a month we should not buy any fuel unless desperate. Slowly fill up over the preceding three weeks lets see where they store the fuel it will cost the oil majors a fourtune to stop and start there refinaries and the chancellors cash flow will go to pot. Lets have some action before the £2 litre arrives.

Posted by Paul Francis -lang, 14th February 2008 9:42am

BOYCOTT BP from the 17-03-2008 maybe the government will listen when big oil companies start going bust how much will that cost the government FAT CATS

Posted by Andrew Westbrook, 12th March 2008 2:29pm

My sister lives in California,and she was over here 2 months ago and could not believe how much we are paying for fuel. The US average then was just over $3 per gallon....and yet they still pay less than we do in the UK. Yes! I know the US gallon is less than the imperial UK gallon,but it still is cheaper than ours. What we need is a national strike,( no one goes into work,or use the roads),until this happens this government will not listen. So companies suffer,and petrol stations,and in turn so does the taxman.....but no one will,will they???. I use my vehicle to transport my disabled scooter around,as I have C O P D....and use for shopping,so it's just as hard for me on disability allowance. I rest my thoughts.

Posted by Stuart King, 6th May 2008 4:20pm

Have we at last reached saturation point where the battered & bruised British motorist can take no more. Extremely pleased to see the haulage contractors taking action but very disappointed that they are looking for a 25p REBATE on the diesel duty they are paying. If they are ditching Jo Public by only looking out for themselves the rot in British society spirals in an ever deeper dive. If the lorry drivers succeed in getting their rebate it is pretty obvious the ordinary motorist will take the brunt of subsidising the haulage industry with higher prices at the pumps. As Julius Ceaser said, divide & conquer. Everyone must unite if Gordon's fuel policies are to be re-evaluated & the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude will save some but put others to the wall. Whoever is co-ordinating the current fuel protests must mobilize the general public if they want to keep the support.

Posted by Cliff Sellers, 28th May 2008 12:18pm
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